Sign me up for "PS3 HDMI -> BD looks the same as DVD" camp, please

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Does the PS3 do 720p output on blurays now? I know for awhile, the PS3 was only able to output 1080p/i and 480p/i on blurays. Has that changed? Are you sure you're not looking at 480p on bluray and 720p on DVD?
 
Juice said:
I know the thread title's come to bite me in the ass, but it isn't that I can see no difference, it's:

1. The difference isn't worth the price/hype/format switch. Why do you think the DVD forum was so strict about licensing restrictions for upscaling?
2. The film grain that replaces the lost sharpness is inconsistent and distracting, canceling out most of the "wow" gained by the increased clarity.
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1. You said you can't see the difference. Now you say the difference doesn't worth it. Smells like fud and bullshit in here.

2. No. The details and clarity of BD especially in intense scenes is ****ing spectacular and has nothing to do with DVD quality. If you had actually seen Casino Royale you'd notice that. Either way you're lying about something, it's your vision or the comparison.
 
fortified_concept said:
1. You said you can't see the difference. Now you say the difference doesn't worth it. Smells like fud and bullshit in here.

2. No. The details and clarity of BD especially in intense scenes is ****ing spectacular and has nothing to do with DVD quality. If you had actually seen Casino Royale you'd notice that. Either way you're lying about something, it's your vision or the comparison.
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I said I wanted to join the "looks the same as dvd" camp because I didn't figure there would have already been a club of people claiming "film grain < fuzzy upscaling"
 
I think that's showing Blu-ray movies encoded with MPEG-2 (piss) vs. a re-release encoded with AVC (H.264 yum yum).

The latter does look better (especially the colors)
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there are dvd---->blu-ray comparisons somewhere in the thread too... maybe not on the first page.
 
This is very strange. I have a 23 inch 720p samsung lcd. I own a dvd of dead mans chest and the blu-ray version. I did a comparison between both, scene by scene for the first 5 minutes of the movie. The differences were more than clear.

The amount of detail you can see on kiera knightly's face is huge. Especially compared to the dvd version. The first scene of the movie, with rain falling on tea cups; on regular dvd the drops look blurry while on blu-ray you can see almost each drop!

something must be wrong with your tv.
 
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Even my mom can tell the difference between an upscaled DVD and a HD-DVD on a 32" HDTV and she has horrible vision.

There's something wrong with you. Or you could just be forgetting what the scene looks like while switching over or not using a detailed enough scene.
 
Oni Jazar said:
what does this have to do about games?
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PS3 MUST GO DOWN TO SAVE VIDEOGAMES FROM TEH EVIL!

Seriously though I won't waste my time in this thread. To a person with perfect vision and a 26" TV the difference especially in movies like Casino Royale should be ****ing obvious.
 
Juice said:
I think that's showing Blu-ray movies encoded with MPEG-2 (piss) vs. a re-release encoded with AVC (H.264 yum yum).
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Actually, some MPEG-2 releases with a high bitrate look better than than many of the AVC releases. Underworld: Evolution is a real stunner of an example.

I agree that it's best to move on to nextgen codecs, but dividing releases into shit and yum yum based on codec is a big mistake.
 
Juice said:
I think that's showing Blu-ray movies encoded with MPEG-2 (piss) vs. a re-release encoded with AVC (H.264 yum yum).

The latter does look better (especially the colors)
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It's more about the quality of the film transfer than the codec used. There are some great looking MPEG2 BD encodes. Old Fifth Element BD was terribly poor transfer, and encoding it in AVC wouldn't have helped any. They did a whole new transfer for the new release and encoded it in a much higher bitrate AVC (new release is 50GB BD). I have the new release and it's really quite a sight :-)
 
Juice said:
I think that's showing Blu-ray movies encoded with MPEG-2 (piss) vs. a re-release encoded with AVC (H.264 yum yum).

The latter does look better (especially the colors)
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Kingdom of Heaven and Blackhawk Down are excellent MPEG-2 transfers, but it doesn't really matter anyway because you couldn't see the "yum" in Casino Royale's encode (AVC) so it's a moot point.
 
Laurence Fishburne face close up (interrogation room) in MI3 convinced me of the difference.
and... Your optometrist tested you for color blindness?
 
out of curiosity, have you tweaked the picture settings on your tv? the 'standard' picture mode on bravias is completely whacked out, with all kinds of hideous image processing on top of the extremely inaccurate colors. everything looks like shit under those conditions.
 
I agree with many of the other posters, a bigger TV. On a 26" you aren't going to see a big difference. I had a 32 inch and I could just tell a difference but now I am on a 100 inch screen (HD projector) and the difference is incredible.
 
I had a HD-DVD drive and only on my friends 65 inch DLP could I really really see a big difference... on my 42 inch LCD there was a difference but it was kinda ho hum...

So unless you have a 50 inch + tv the whole HD-DVD or Blu-Ray stuff is pretty much worthless.
 
Xeke said:
Streaming.
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well streaming costs money (for distributors)... you can rent, but will you be able to buy movies and stream them anytime you want? Also to get comparable quality to BD, you would have to stream at minimum of 20-30 mbs (steady), which isnt really possibility for majority of world population.

I have 750 GB hard drive in my Sky HD and I am constantly below 5% of space. And 750 GB drives aint cheap either.
 
Just comaparing DVD to the HD broadcast in Japan makes a huge difference to me... It's just the first feeling you have when seeing the porus of the skin of the characters in movies when you know that not everything they told you about HD was "smoke".
 
Juice said:
I said I wanted to join the "looks the same as dvd" camp because I didn't figure there would have already been a club of people claiming "film grain < fuzzy upscaling"
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Fess up, Juice. You tried to convince the wife to get a big screen HDTV and she said no so now you're on GAF trying to convince yourself it's not worth it, right? Come on, man. Confess. I'll believe that because just about anything else I'm reading is nonsense.
 
I know what you mean. I have my PS3 hooked up to this baby and I can't tell the difference between Blu-ray or DVD. It also took me a while to figure out that the lack of color was due to my TV and not the PS3.

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i am unable to tell a significant difference between the dvd and the hd-dvd transfers of batman begins on my 60" GRAND WEGA (720p). i can tell a massive difference in games, though!
 
Juice said:
I know I'm going to get the forum's AVS fans all over me with this, but the PS3's DVD up-scaling must be amazing, because I just can't tell the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD at 720p.

Set: Bravia 26" @ 720p. (KLV-S26A10)
Player: PS3
Connection: HDMI (direct)

I've looked at a few for direct comparison so far. Casino Royale (my test) and Catch and Release (wife's) both were pretty underwhelming. On Catch and Release in particular, I honestly couldn't tell the difference when testing blindly.

I don't know what could be wrong with me. I have optometrist-certified perfect vision. I'm able to make out obvious artifacts in the Blu-Ray versions (whether it's just compression or a poor film transfer, I can't tell). Casino Royale generally looked a little cleaner, but definitely not a jump.

So what do I need?

1. Better vision
2. Less bias
3. A 1080p set
4. More hype
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Mr_Furious said:
Fess up, Juice. You tried to convince the wife to get a big screen HDTV and she said no so now you're on GAF trying to convince yourself it's not worth it, right? Come on, man. Confess. I'll believe that because just about anything else I'm reading is nonsense.
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Hahhaa, I like that one. i think I'll go with that one.
 
Rhindle said:
Here's the good news: If you can't tell the difference between HD and SD content, your wife will look just as good when she's 55 as she does today.
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You just killed the thread. :lol
 
Drinky Crow said:
i am unable to tell a significant difference between the dvd and the hd-dvd transfers of batman begins on my 60" GRAND WEGA (720p). i can tell a massive difference in games, though!
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Yeah, anything with an original digital source is going to be a HUGE difference. This thread is me bitching about the worthiness of the upgrade for non-digital source content (film).
 
drohne said:
out of curiosity, have you tweaked the picture settings on your tv? the 'standard' picture mode on bravias is completely whacked out, with all kinds of hideous image processing on top of the extremely inaccurate colors. everything looks like shit under those conditions.
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I actually really like what I see, but I haven't done more than eyeball the sliders myself. Do you have any good references?
 
... you can't tell the difference between a DVD and BRD at 720p? Really? Either something is messed right up with your setup or I don't even know what to say.
 
See you are attacking PS3/Blu-ray camp like usual , whereas the original poster was attacking PS3/X360 camps like usual ;P
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yes, my 48 Bluray movies and my 0 HDDVD movies is a sure fire sign that my alliance on this front lies SQUARELY with MS.... ;)

as a projector user right now, it makes a huge difference. however, to anyone else, they really don't see the difference. When you switch between sources , they see it... but then they don't care! *shrug*

for me - i care, HD is a godsend when you are throwing 100+ inch images, but yeah. Being the sony hater, i have to smeer myself in pig poo before i watch anything and even then, i'm sticking forks in my legs to make sure i don't enjoy the experience.
 
Set: Samsing 23" @ 720p. (LN-R237W)
Player: PS3
Connection: HDMI (direct)

I can easily see a difference. It's much easier to see with CG movies like Ice Age 2 (all the details in the fur etc.) and concerts filmed in HD like Nine Inch Nails' "Beside you in time".
 
DCharlie said:
yes, my 48 Bluray movies and my 0 HDDVD movies is a sure fire sign that my alliance on this front lies SQUARELY with MS.... ;)

as a projector user right now, it makes a huge difference. however, to anyone else, they really don't see the difference. When you switch between sources , they see it... but then they don't care! *shrug*

for me - i care, HD is a godsend when you are throwing 100+ inch images, but yeah. Being the sony hater, i have to smeer myself in pig poo before i watch anything and even then, i'm sticking forks in my legs to make sure i don't enjoy the experience.
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Thanks for being the voice of reason DCharlie.

So what are retail prices like for BD movies in Japan? I had no idea!
 
FormulaOne said:
I know what you mean. I have my PS3 hooked up to this baby and I can't tell the difference between Blu-ray or DVD. It also took me a while to figure out that the lack of color was due to my TV and not the PS3.

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:lol FormulaOne never stop!
 
So what are retail prices like for BD movies in Japan? I had no idea!
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3980 yen for the "ON SALE!" line, 4980-6980 for the regular, and... 8190+ for anything anime (including 25 minute long stuff)

The Ghibli stuff is , apparently, going to be over 10,000 yen a movie.

:(
 
DCharlie said:
3980 yen for the "ON SALE!" line, 4980-6980 for the regular, and... 8190+ for anything anime (including 25 minute long stuff)

The Ghibli stuff is , apparently, going to be over 10,000 yen a movie.

:(
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:O @ Ghibli.
 
1) This thread needs to be in the OT since there's nothing about games in the thread.

2) You need to sign yourself for an eye appointment.
 
Juice said:
I know I'm going to get the forum's AVS fans all over me with this, but the PS3's DVD up-scaling must be amazing, because I just can't tell the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD at 720p.

Set: Bravia 26" @ 720p. (KLV-S26A10)
Player: PS3
Connection: HDMI (direct)

I've looked at a few for direct comparison so far. Casino Royale (my test) and Catch and Release (wife's) both were pretty underwhelming. On Catch and Release in particular, I honestly couldn't tell the difference when testing blindly.

I don't know what could be wrong with me. I have optometrist-certified perfect vision. I'm able to make out obvious artifacts in the Blu-Ray versions (whether it's just compression or a poor film transfer, I can't tell). Casino Royale generally looked a little cleaner, but definitely not a jump.

So what do I need?

1. Better vision
2. Less bias
3. A 1080p set
4. More hype
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I often have the same reaction when I'm over at my brother in law's 50" 720p DLP set up with his 360 HD-DVD add on upscaling and PS3 upscaling. It's all about the viewing distance since his TV is rather far from the couches.
 
DCharlie said:
yes, my 48 Bluray movies and my 0 HDDVD movies is a sure fire sign that my alliance on this front lies SQUARELY with MS.... ;)

as a projector user right now, it makes a huge difference. however, to anyone else, they really don't see the difference. When you switch between sources , they see it... but then they don't care! *shrug*

for me - i care, HD is a godsend when you are throwing 100+ inch images, but yeah. Being the sony hater, i have to smeer myself in pig poo before i watch anything and even then, i'm sticking forks in my legs to make sure i don't enjoy the experience.
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I own X console so I'm not biased is such a lame excuse. I'm sick of hearing it all the time.
 
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