It may need 200 million to break even but movie studios don't make films to break even. They need a significantly large profit margin if they want to consider a film good enough to make a sequel, especially if they're going to increase the budget.
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It may need 200 million to break even but movie studios don't make films to break even. They need a significantly large profit margin if they want to consider a film good enough to make a sequel, especially if they're going to increase the budget.
In other words, the most entertaining movie I've seen in the last 3 years is fucked.
We cancelled the apocalypse but then the franchise potential was cancelled with it...
Damn, Its funny how much I really loved this movie. Going for a 2nd viewing Sunday with the bros and will def cop on Bluray
Dragoshi1
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3 figures, a small heroclix line, a soundtrack, a graphic novel, and an 18 inch figure, yet NONE of it is advertised on TV or web sites where children/teens/adults roam.
I only found out there were heroclix of Pacific Rim when someone on another forum mentioned having them.
donkey show
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Yup, I'd buy a fuckton of keychains of all the mecha logos if they were available as well. Anyway, I'm doing my part in the UK since I just grabbed Gipsy and Knifehead at Forbidden Planet. Thought they were going to be out at the end of the month like the website said, but the gf and I swung by one and saw them on the shelf. Will get Crimson Typhoon when it's back in stock.
Need to grab the heroclix as well!
It actually may need 300-350 million to break even, if you consider marketing expenses. I have no doubt it will when all is said and done, but you are right, studios invest that amount of money in movies that make them 600 million+. If all they are going to get is a 50 million profit at most, they might as well invest 10-30 million in a smaller movie (usually horror) and watch it do 100 million lifetime. It minimizes the risk, which is generally a sound strategy.
chickdigger802
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And they can do way more than that. happy meal toys. A plasma cannon toy that shoots those nerf bullets.
This isn't some advance material for marketing team. It really shouldn't be that hard to convince suits for this kind of marketing/merch budget...
chickdigger802
Banned
Got 2 shinkawa posters in tubes ready to ship (2 people bailed on me). looking for about $15, can negotiate, pm me.
were there any pacific rim cosplays at comic con? It's not like they had much time after the movie aired, but I feel like one could make something with the promo stuff.
were there any pacific rim cosplays at comic con? It's not like they had much time after the movie aired, but I feel like one could make something with the promo stuff.
I remember seeing this guy at Denver Comic Con.
There was also this image I remember seeing, but that was before SDCC. I'm guessing we won't be seeing really good cosplays until the people who care actually have enough time to make the costume (So in a few months).
chickdigger802
Banned
I remember seeing this guy at Denver Comic Con.
There was also this image I remember seeing, but that was before SDCC. I'm guessing we won't be seeing really good cosplays until the people who care actually have enough time to make the costume (So in a few months).
not too shabby.
hope some folks make some sick fiberglass pilot suits.
I'm not sure I really bought that the Kaiju were actually looking for the doctor. Was that not conjecture on Hannibal's part? I kind of got the feeling he was trying to scare the guy, and there wasn't really anything to support it aside from the Kaiju happening to tear into the shelter where the doctor happened to be.
Edit: though my memory is a little hazy on it kind of scanning him with tentacle/whatever when it tor into the shelter.
I'm pretty sure Otachi was about to kill Newt after it located him, but Gipsy Danger happened to show up. As far as what the film showed us about the kaiju's nature, this would be the first instance where they were actively hunting a target instead of causing wanton destruction.
Hannibal called the doc stupid. And then he showed him his eye, which was also reddish looking (mark of drift with Kaiju brain). That's why I am wondering why Kaijus stopped looking for Hannibal.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I thought that was the mark of people who drifted alone / were overloaded or whatever?
a secret-boss
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I was thinking the merch should save this movie. But the lack of before the interest dies is pretty stupid
ScraftyDevil
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Yeah, judging from Otachi and Leatherback's behaviour, I'm pretty sure that the former was an envoy of sorts sent to prevent Newt from spilling the Kaiju's secrets while the latter was just a bodyguard whose job was to ensure the mission's success. Note how Leatherback doesn't enter the fray until Cherno has Otachi on its last legs and how it stays behind to make sure Striker is out of commission while Otachi searches for Newt. Also, Otachi does nothing aside from searching for Newt, only stopping to neutralize anything which poses a threat to its mission (it doesn't go out of its way to cause destruction or anything).
As an aside, I think it's pretty cool how both the humans and the Kaiju win their respective fights in Hong Kong by utilizing their knowledge of each other (i.e. Leatherback uses its EMP specifically to take out Striker while Gipsy uses its observations of the two to disable Otachi's acid spit and tail and Leatherback's EMP the immediate second it had the oppourtunity to).
As an aside, I think it's pretty cool how both the humans and the Kaiju win their respective fights in Hong Kong by utilizing their knowledge of each other (i.e. Leatherback uses its EMP specifically to take out Striker while Gipsy uses its observations of the two to disable Otachi's acid spit and tail and Leatherback's EMP the immediate second it had the oppourtunity to).
See, I kind of read the situation as the Kaiju just ripping into the shelter. The doctor put himself at the center of attention by declaring it was after him, so it kind of became self fulfilling when he ended up in the centre of the room by himself.
Could be, not sure. Either way Hannibal seems to have experience with Kaiju drifting and if I recall correctly, he called the doc stupid and told him to run because the Kaijus also felt him as the drift was a 2-way connection.
The way he said this kind of felt like he knew the Kaijus would be looking for him. How would he know all this if he didn't drift and experience Kaijus hunting him before?
edit - If the theory above is correct, then this brings me to the following question: Why did the Kaijus stop searching for Hannibal?
I can't even remember what Hannibal's eye looked like. I do remember that he pulled off his glasses when he was talking about how he had only used a public shelter once, so maybe he got attacked by a kaiju while hiding in a public shelter and that did the damage to his eye. Or maybe he was in a public shelter and got attacked by some crazy criminal. It's left up to the watcher to really figure it out.
he got his eye from being in a public shelter
Drake
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Just saw this movie tonight. Holy fuck, what a ride. Seeing it in IMAX 3D is quite the experience. No regrets spending the $16. I know Del Toto was talking about a sequel, but I don't see how it gets green lit after the disappointing box office numbers. Why didn't this movie do better? It's so much fun. It's the perfect summer blockbuster.
This movie is so....meh.
On one hand, it's fucking awesome and the CGI and effects were jaw dropping.
But on the other....fuck it's goddamn cheesy when it doesn't need to be. So many unintentionally funny that doesn't work, it's just goddamn cringeworthy. I had the exact opposite problem most people liked it for, it didn't take itself seriously enough!
One example that stood out to me is when Mako is a kid and running from a Kaiju, she's making excessive "noise" while crying and after the destruction is over. It's completely over the top and her sniffs were sounded so stupid that most people were laughing AT it (I was facepalming) rather than getting any sort of investment, no matter how minor that could've been.
Excessive grunts and overacting. It may work in some other films, but good fucking god it does not work AT ALL here. Dialogue, yes, was extremely cliche, but the delivery made it worse than it should've been! YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL TO SHOW YOU'RE IN DISTRESS OR SHIT IS HITTING THE FAN!!
Fuck.
As awesome as that Hong Kong fight scene was the problems mention above were just....ugh.
Bonus points for not including a kiss at the end. Played with my expectations
On one hand, it's fucking awesome and the CGI and effects were jaw dropping.
But on the other....fuck it's goddamn cheesy when it doesn't need to be. So many unintentionally funny that doesn't work, it's just goddamn cringeworthy. I had the exact opposite problem most people liked it for, it didn't take itself seriously enough!
One example that stood out to me is when Mako is a kid and running from a Kaiju, she's making excessive "noise" while crying and after the destruction is over. It's completely over the top and her sniffs were sounded so stupid that most people were laughing AT it (I was facepalming) rather than getting any sort of investment, no matter how minor that could've been.
Excessive grunts and overacting. It may work in some other films, but good fucking god it does not work AT ALL here. Dialogue, yes, was extremely cliche, but the delivery made it worse than it should've been! YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL TO SHOW YOU'RE IN DISTRESS OR SHIT IS HITTING THE FAN!!
Fuck.
As awesome as that Hong Kong fight scene was the problems mention above were just....ugh.
Bonus points for not including a kiss at the end. Played with my expectations
Mr_PinkFloyd
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Vice versa
I found the trailers really awfull and was just expecting an average "fun" movie, i end up loving the movie
Everyone knows drifting is a "two-way street".
Dude just got through telling him about a hive mind.
It's not that hard to put 1 and 1 together. I'm sure everyone in the audience did it when he first mentioned wanting to drift with the kaiju brain.
I'm pretty sure the eye is just his damage from being in a public shelter, not a mark of kaiju drifting.
If it were though, it'd probably be because Newt helped run the Jaeger program and was one of the foremost kaiju experts in the world. He's more of an intelligence asset than Hannibal was.
Was I the only one who thought that Leatherback had the build and fighting style of a luchador? Most of their fight was based on brute strength and using whatever props they found lying around.
On that note, the fight with Otachi felt a lot like a samurai battling a dragon.
On that note, the fight with Otachi felt a lot like a samurai battling a dragon.
Nappuccino
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That's what I thought at first . . . but I think it's easy enough to read the implications both ways.
i have seen this movie 4 times-he got his fucked up eye from a public shelter not from drifting, he was just aware at what drifting does so he knew they would come for newt.
What the fuck...?
I guess a 10 year old kid would be very brave and not scream an awful lot after coming close to a 100 metre tall otherworldly monster that just destroyed the biggest city in the world.
TacticalFox88
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Sorry, GAF, this movie was awful and deserved every bit of the bomb it did. del Toro failed completely and utterly, even under the logic of going to see it as a monsters vs robots movie.
For one, outside of Hong Kong, the other two battles are complete and total shit. Lack of coherency, in the water, and its at night time which is a cardinal sin for these types of movies
This is the worst case of overacting I've seen, since the fucking 90s. For one simple major reason: It's trying to imitate anime in the worst way possible. You can't have excess noise, grunts, screaming and yelling. That works in the animated world and not the live action world. All of the so called "tear-jerkers" and "emotional" scenes MIGHT have worked if this were animated but in this is just cringe inducing. I felt embarrassed that I was watching this. All of it felt so unnatural, even in the context of them having giant monsters running around demolishing cities.
The two idiot scientists are as equally annoying as the twins from Revenge of the Fallen, obviously without the racist subtext.
"Calling your attacks." Again. This works in anime, not fucking Live Action. Shut the fuck up and just do it! Like when they used the ship. They just picked the bitch up and BAM, no explanation or saying some stupid shit like "Ship sword!" needed. Which is what they should've done.
I think I laughed maybe once or twice throughout the entire movie's jokes. The rest were on the level of D-grade comedies or ten year old.
THere's a reason why this movie bombed and Bayformers performs extraordinarily well. For one, it's the obvious already established IP being brought back into the mainstream and second it's that Bayformers has a certain charm to its cheesiness/jokes that the public eats up (regardless of the fact of whether or not you, as an individual, agree with or not) and Pacific Rim just doesn't have that. It's excessively corny even by the genre's standards and tried to be something it shouldn't have been. It has no charm, therefore its cheese comes off as degrading tripe that insults my suspension of disbelief and when a movie about Giant mecha is so bad that it can't even get you to do that, then it's a complete and utter failure no matter how you try to spin it.
Excellent CGI work, but that talent and resources could've been spent elsewhere.
4/10.
For one, outside of Hong Kong, the other two battles are complete and total shit. Lack of coherency, in the water, and its at night time which is a cardinal sin for these types of movies
This is the worst case of overacting I've seen, since the fucking 90s. For one simple major reason: It's trying to imitate anime in the worst way possible. You can't have excess noise, grunts, screaming and yelling. That works in the animated world and not the live action world. All of the so called "tear-jerkers" and "emotional" scenes MIGHT have worked if this were animated but in this is just cringe inducing. I felt embarrassed that I was watching this. All of it felt so unnatural, even in the context of them having giant monsters running around demolishing cities.
The two idiot scientists are as equally annoying as the twins from Revenge of the Fallen, obviously without the racist subtext.
"Calling your attacks." Again. This works in anime, not fucking Live Action. Shut the fuck up and just do it! Like when they used the ship. They just picked the bitch up and BAM, no explanation or saying some stupid shit like "Ship sword!" needed. Which is what they should've done.
I think I laughed maybe once or twice throughout the entire movie's jokes. The rest were on the level of D-grade comedies or ten year old.
THere's a reason why this movie bombed and Bayformers performs extraordinarily well. For one, it's the obvious already established IP being brought back into the mainstream and second it's that Bayformers has a certain charm to its cheesiness/jokes that the public eats up (regardless of the fact of whether or not you, as an individual, agree with or not) and Pacific Rim just doesn't have that. It's excessively corny even by the genre's standards and tried to be something it shouldn't have been. It has no charm, therefore its cheese comes off as degrading tripe that insults my suspension of disbelief and when a movie about Giant mecha is so bad that it can't even get you to do that, then it's a complete and utter failure no matter how you try to spin it.
Excellent CGI work, but that talent and resources could've been spent elsewhere.
4/10.
You don't need to be sorry, you seem to be the minority here : D
If it was Elbow Rocket you were referring to then it makes total sense to call it, "Ship sword" makes no sense because it isn't part of the mech or a function. Also you are incorrect, it's a light hearted movie with a sunday morning cartoon show appeal to it nothing more. And I'm surprised that 30 minutes of human interaction which wasn't even poor to begin with and had generally likeable characters would destroy the whole movie for you because "corny and D-grade etc etc" when it doesn't even makes up for half of the movie.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Let's not take the hate train too far now. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is "a two and a half hour black hole of douchebagness with a gravitational pull so strong no joy can escape." This movie was dumb in a fair few places and I didn't like the Scientists, but it lacks the downright offensive qualities of the TF series. And I'm not even talking about racially offensive things, I mean offensively bad cinema.
sol_bad
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I have seen this film 5 times now.
The first time with 2 mates and they both though it was great, they didn't fault it. The other audience members all seemed captivated by the film and laughed at the jokes.
The 2nd time with my 11 year old niece and she loved the hell out of it, she thought the monsters were creep and again the audience laughed at the jokes.
The 3rd time I saw it on my own, it was the final time it was playing on a VMAX screen in my area and I thought it may have been the last chance I had seeing it on the largest possible screen excluding IMAX. Audience loved it and laughed at the jokes.
The 4th time I saw with 5 friends, 1 of them had already see it. They all loved it except for one friend, he hates anything that isn't realistic though.
The 5th time today in IMAX with my mum and her partner, I was actually surprised at how packed the IMAX screening was. Everyone seemed to be right into it. Mt mum thought the fights were hard to follow because the screen was too big and she wants to watch it again on a smaller screen..
The first time with 2 mates and they both though it was great, they didn't fault it. The other audience members all seemed captivated by the film and laughed at the jokes.
The 2nd time with my 11 year old niece and she loved the hell out of it, she thought the monsters were creep and again the audience laughed at the jokes.
The 3rd time I saw it on my own, it was the final time it was playing on a VMAX screen in my area and I thought it may have been the last chance I had seeing it on the largest possible screen excluding IMAX. Audience loved it and laughed at the jokes.
The 4th time I saw with 5 friends, 1 of them had already see it. They all loved it except for one friend, he hates anything that isn't realistic though.
The 5th time today in IMAX with my mum and her partner, I was actually surprised at how packed the IMAX screening was. Everyone seemed to be right into it. Mt mum thought the fights were hard to follow because the screen was too big and she wants to watch it again on a smaller screen..
Evolution_1ne
Banned
why they keep calling Gypsy Danger "she" Gypsy is nobody's woman, Striker was clearly the woman of the bunch
man your whole post is bad, but this part really bothers me the most-just cringe worthy my friend. i feel like you missed the point. i will never understand why someone would want something to bomb.
ScraftyDevil
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I think it's a common practice to refer to a craft (i.e. a plane, boat, etc.) which one has a personal attachment to as "she." My grandpa did the same thing with his transport truck.
Vincent Alexander
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110 worldwide. Can't believe this hasn't opened in China or Japan yet. What the Hell is with the delay?
CitizenCope
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Any ideal videos with accompanying audio that show how fucking scary these monsters are? Trying to show my wife how scary they were but the commercials just have some rock track drowning out any other audio.
I grew up in the 70's watching Godzilla so this movie brought back all those memories and the nightmares of monsters 20 stories tall.
I grew up in the 70's watching Godzilla so this movie brought back all those memories and the nightmares of monsters 20 stories tall.
Optimus Prime's fight in the woods in Transformers 2 is just about the only good action scene in the entire series, so fair play.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Evolution_1ne
Banned
I counted this time
8 punches.......8, just 8 punches in quick succession without Otachi landing a single blow, then it picked up and tossed Otachi like an oversize log ready to be finished off, and it would have finished it off but it was hit with a EMP blast. And it only got hit with and EMP blast because the other two Jaegers were dead, why were the other two Jaegers dead, because they where put up against Cat.4 they weren't prepared for.... the same Cat. 4 that was about to be turned into sushi with just EIGHT FUCKING PUNCHES from the Jaeger told to NOT engage........and who the fuck gave that order......
award for worst Commander in the universe goes to
8 punches.......8, just 8 punches in quick succession without Otachi landing a single blow, then it picked up and tossed Otachi like an oversize log ready to be finished off, and it would have finished it off but it was hit with a EMP blast. And it only got hit with and EMP blast because the other two Jaegers were dead, why were the other two Jaegers dead, because they where put up against Cat.4 they weren't prepared for.... the same Cat. 4 that was about to be turned into sushi with just EIGHT FUCKING PUNCHES from the Jaeger told to NOT engage........and who the fuck gave that order......
award for worst Commander in the universe goes to
CitizenCope
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Thanks. Don't think she'll ever see the movie so this helps.
Brian Fellows
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I counted this time
8 punches.......8, just 8 punches in quick succession without Otachi landing a single blow, then it picked up and tossed Otachi like an oversize log ready to be finished off, and it would have finished it off but it was hit with a EMP blast. And it only got hit with and EMP blast because the other two Jaegers were dead, why were the other two Jaegers dead, because they where put up against Cat.4 they weren't prepared for.... the same Cat. 4 that was about to be turned into sushi with just EIGHT FUCKING PUNCHES from the Jaeger told to NOT engage........and who the fuck gave that order......
award for worst Commander in the universe goes to
I really do hate their strategy of only matching the number of Kaiju each time.
Why would you not want superior firepower when your Jaegers have been losing left and right?
Crimson Typhoon could have thrown that fucker up in the air and Strike Eureka could have skeet shot Mr Kaiju right out of the air with it's chest cannons.
SkylineRKR
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Yeah. The problem with Transformers is that its being filmed, directed and edited so bad. Del Toro teaches Michael Bay a thing or two.
PR is less about glory, less about retarded Bay shit, I like PR much more.
For example the sacrifice part reminded me a bit of Armageddon, but in PR its not like 'bububu I love you and I give you permission bububu'. Its just a sacrifice being carried out. The mandatory kissing scene wasn't there also.
Yo... what? I thought that part was pretty damn intense, everyone in my screening was dead silent during that part. I almost thought it was a little too traumatic. It certainly did a good job of conveying just how terrifying these monsters really are. Laughing at it? Was your screening permeated by edgy 12 year olds?
I mean, like, she's a tiny ass little girl, and there's this huge fucking monster that just killed her family and is in the process of killing everyone else in the city. You think her running and crying was "over the top?"
Hahahaha. I just can't...
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