Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS: Info Collection - Dojo, Mega Man and Trailer! 2014!
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C.Olimar788
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I'm betting on Villager's neutral special being his Item Grab move - it has been billed as his signature attack, after all, and it would have a distinct connection to the original games in that you're pressing the same button to perform the same action.
The Shovel move practically has to be some kind of downward attack since it hits on both sides, so I'm thinking it's probably his down smash. That would leave room for the Tree, or maybe even the bowling ball, to be his down special.
I also think the Axe that he uses on the Tree is a different move than the Tree itself. Possibly a forward smash, though we have the boxing glove move that would make a lot of sense as a forward smash...
Villagers moves are just so odd from what we know. He honestly makes me wonder if characters have some additional moves added.
The Shovel move practically has to be some kind of downward attack since it hits on both sides, so I'm thinking it's probably his down smash. That would leave room for the Tree, or maybe even the bowling ball, to be his down special.
I also think the Axe that he uses on the Tree is a different move than the Tree itself. Possibly a forward smash, though we have the boxing glove move that would make a lot of sense as a forward smash...
Villagers moves are just so odd from what we know. He honestly makes me wonder if characters have some additional moves added.
When you put it like that, it sounds like it could be part of the final smash. Maybe he drops a big building on the stage?
Green Mamba
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My feelings on the matter, exclusively of attacks we have definitely seen:
Jab: Boxing Gloves
Dash: Potted Plant
Side Tilt: Umbrella
Up Tilt: Stick
Down Tilt: Weed Pull
Side Smash: Bowling Ball
Up Smash: Fireworks
Down Smash: Shovel
Neutral Aerial: ???
Forward Aerial: Net
Back Aerial: Slingshot
Up Aerial: ???
Down Aerial: Turnip
Grab: ???
Neutral Special: Pick Up
Side Special: Gyroid
Up Special: Balloon Fight Helmet
Down Special: Plant Tree/Chop Tree
Final Smash: ???
The Shovel I feel very confident is his Down Smash--whenever he is shown doing it, he always does it to both sides of himself in a manner very familiar of many characters' down smashes.
I have changed my mind on the Net; though both times they've shown him using it have not been in actual gameplay, both times show him using it in the air, so I feel it is likely an aerial attack. Forward Aerial is a bit of a guess though.
He is always seen using the Slingshot in the air and in the one piece of video that we see him using it he actually does it behind himself, so I feel it may be just a back aerial. It could be that it is also his Forward Aerial, as it might be a bit odd to not have the ability to shoot in front of himself, only behind, but I have to question why Sakurai would specifically do the backwards version of it instead, so I have a feeling it's only the Back Aerial.
Bowling Ball I was really unsure of for the longest time. From my deduction on the Shovel I was certain it wasn't a Down Smash, and to me it looked really too odd to be a normal at all, so I thought it was his Side Special, but the appearance of the Gyroid rocket thing has nixed that idea. They Gyroid Rocket to me looks like it really sends him some where sideways, which I don't think a normal would launch him that far (seems kind of ridiculous to have that amount of recovery potential from a normal), so I feel strongly that it's a special. So that leaves the Bowling Ball, which I'm now thinking might be his Forward Smash, just a really bizarre one.
The Gyroid is definitely not his Final Smash; he doesn't have the Final Smash glow, which is retained in all characters during their Final Smashes.
I think the tree move is a two part special; you can plant a tree with one use of it, and then using that special move again near it will chop it down. I don't see them as two separate moves, there simply isn't room in his moveset for another ground move.
That's my take on his moveset. He definitely has the most holes out of the newcomers.
Jab: Boxing Gloves
Dash: Potted Plant
Side Tilt: Umbrella
Up Tilt: Stick
Down Tilt: Weed Pull
Side Smash: Bowling Ball
Up Smash: Fireworks
Down Smash: Shovel
Neutral Aerial: ???
Forward Aerial: Net
Back Aerial: Slingshot
Up Aerial: ???
Down Aerial: Turnip
Grab: ???
Neutral Special: Pick Up
Side Special: Gyroid
Up Special: Balloon Fight Helmet
Down Special: Plant Tree/Chop Tree
Final Smash: ???
The Shovel I feel very confident is his Down Smash--whenever he is shown doing it, he always does it to both sides of himself in a manner very familiar of many characters' down smashes.
I have changed my mind on the Net; though both times they've shown him using it have not been in actual gameplay, both times show him using it in the air, so I feel it is likely an aerial attack. Forward Aerial is a bit of a guess though.
He is always seen using the Slingshot in the air and in the one piece of video that we see him using it he actually does it behind himself, so I feel it may be just a back aerial. It could be that it is also his Forward Aerial, as it might be a bit odd to not have the ability to shoot in front of himself, only behind, but I have to question why Sakurai would specifically do the backwards version of it instead, so I have a feeling it's only the Back Aerial.
Bowling Ball I was really unsure of for the longest time. From my deduction on the Shovel I was certain it wasn't a Down Smash, and to me it looked really too odd to be a normal at all, so I thought it was his Side Special, but the appearance of the Gyroid rocket thing has nixed that idea. They Gyroid Rocket to me looks like it really sends him some where sideways, which I don't think a normal would launch him that far (seems kind of ridiculous to have that amount of recovery potential from a normal), so I feel strongly that it's a special. So that leaves the Bowling Ball, which I'm now thinking might be his Forward Smash, just a really bizarre one.
The Gyroid is definitely not his Final Smash; he doesn't have the Final Smash glow, which is retained in all characters during their Final Smashes.
I think the tree move is a two part special; you can plant a tree with one use of it, and then using that special move again near it will chop it down. I don't see them as two separate moves, there simply isn't room in his moveset for another ground move.
That's my take on his moveset. He definitely has the most holes out of the newcomers.
Poltergust
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It's possible for the gyroid to not be a part of his moveset, so his side-B could be the axe.
And his grab is totally the fishing rod. Calling it now.
And his grab is totally the fishing rod. Calling it now.
Green Mamba
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It's possible the Gyroid is not actually part of his moveset, but I really doubt it. Gyroids have never, ever been associated with shooting off like rockets, so I really don't see why that would be part of the Animal Crossing stage and as an item it's a poor way to represent a Gyroid. To me, it looks like a move pulled out of thin air to justify a moveset for the Villager. He needs the justification; a stage or item? Not really.
Poltergust
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Sir Ilpalazzo
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Couldn't the Gyroid be Villager's stage entrance?
Neoriceisgood
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That'd be a pretty trollish thing for Sakurai to show without context.
I agree with you, but I'm not convinced it's a special move. It just seems way too bizarre. I'm fine with invented attacks filling out the less prominent areas of a character's move set, but special moves are supposed to be more central; there are so many more important aspects of Animal Crossing that could be used a special move instead of a Gyroid (axe, shovel, slingshot, net). Why relegate those tools to standard attacks only for a fictitious Gyroid rocket to be a precious special move?
I hope not, I want to use rocket gyroids dang it!
Wouldn't the Villager exiting a house make ten times more sense?
Baron von Loathsome
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Pac-Man gives a thumbs up to this design.
It's the only one he endorses.
I never got the appeal of this particular design. It seems so lifeless to me. I like both of the more recent ones much better.
Would be cool if he drives in on the train or something.
Green Mamba
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I don't really know, but Villager to me seems like he's being created with a different mindset--he has a lot of moves that really do resemble specials in functionality than normals; Shovel, Bowling Ball, Slingshot, Tree Plant, Pick Up, Balloon Fight, etc., too many to be relegated to specials alone. Regarding special moves being central to a character's character, what do you make of his Balloon Fight Helmet? That looks to be almost certainly his up-special, but that has no basis in anything.
My thought on him is that he has been designed to be a character who's mostly special moves, in a way we only kind of tasted with Snake's smash attacks in Brawl, and that his specials are moreso set as specials due to their functionalities, not necessarily to how important they are to the character.
I really just can't look at the Gyroid rocket and see anything other than a side special.
JStein0222
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peanutbutterlatte
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... I kind of want Shantae as a character. ;_;
Up specials tend to be recovery moves, but there's nothing the Villager does in any of the Animal Crossing games that would make sense as a recovery, so I can understand why Sakurai would give him the Balloon Fight helmet. You can hold balloons in Animal Crossing, presents can fall from the sky tied to a balloon, and Balloon Fight appears as a playable NES game. I'm really not bothered by that. The only other plausible option would be something like opening an umbrella, but Peach already has that.
On the other hand, side special moves can be almost anything, and there are a lot of Animal Crossing items that make far more sense in that slot than a Gyroid.
...You know, what if the Gyroid rocket is what you get when you try planting a tree in mid-air?
Poltergust
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If the tree planting move is his down-B, it probably won't do anything while in the air, like DK's down-B.
Guys what if the balloons just mean he has multiple jumps and the gyroid is an up-special similar to fox and falco's? 
well alright then.
well alright then.
RawkHawk2010
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My first thought upon seeing rocketroid was that it's a back-air in the same vein as ROB's.
Villager's back air is the slingshot, though. Argh, this is so confusing.
Since it's City Folk based it would be a bus.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Customization for special attacks similar to the Tales of series Arte system pls
I hope not.
They have Isabelle running around in there and train seems more iconic. Might be too big for his intro though.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Sakurai couldn't say no to a blubbering pile of diapers that he calls a friend.
She'd have a unique moveset that's for sure. Could serve as a third-party eshop rep?
DICKS AHOY
Banned
and as a result we got one of the best characters ever in brawl
i don't see the problem
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Who is that?
Edited: Oh Snake and Kojima. Honestly, it would suck to see Snake being cut since I really love his game-style/archetype despite that I've not complete any of his games.
Spring-Loaded
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Link should be the new Snake if Snake doesn't make it in
Neoriceisgood
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I'd love that.
Link and Samus both actually.
And make em not suck while we're at it.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
The Escape from New York knockoff doesn't belong and is a wasted spot on the roster in my opinion. His most vocal supporters seem to be fans of Metal Gear which doesn't really overlap into the Nintendo fanbase, and that shouldn't surprise anyone, considering the majority of the characters games don't appear on Nintendo consoles. I understand some peoples excitement with his inclusion but it doesn't blast my bazooka.
Give some of his moves to an Advanced Wars character. Problem solved.
Vermillion
Banned
As do I, but I came to terms with the fact that it's not happening. :/
EDIT: Which reminds me - where the FUCK is the news on The Pirate's Curse?!
While I liked snake in brawl, he was super broken and a really weird fit.
When has Link not sucked, it is tradition.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
He was vastly overpowered, ergo he objectively was one of the best characters in Brawl.
I also just meant 'best' in terms of being fun as all hell both to play as and what he brought with him in way of music, attitude and codec conversations, and while arguments about relevancy were completely legit before Brawl was announced, by now getting rid of him for the new games will just cause a huge gap in the roster IMO. Same thing as when they got rid of Mewtwo and didn't really effectively replace him with anyone (Lucario doesn't count); it just makes it feel like something is 'missing' gameplay wise if you've played the previous games, historical relevancy to the company be damned.
That seems like quite the big assumption. I have been a Nintendo fan since Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt and I like the Metal Gear games just fine. I am not a particular proponent of Snake in Smash, but I am not against his inclusion either. The only reason I would want to get rid of him was if Simon Belmont was certain to replace him.
I think Snake fits in okay with Smash Bros. considering how everyone in the Metal Gear games are self-aware that they are in a videogame and can say things like "swap the controller into the second port" without batting an eye.
I dunno he is a 3rd party character, who to be honest was a weird fit, and who's creator isn't releasing any nintendo games. If he goes, it will nothing but a "eh, that sucks", to me anyway. And as far as mew two goes, He was replaced with sonic( or at least sonic is the reason why he is gone), that dude was effectively replaced several times over to me anyway.
Eh, snake being gone would suck, but I wouldn't loose sleep. If sonic is gone however, I will be pissed.
Green Mamba
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So what's up with the Animal Crossing stage?
They've shown two variations, one set in the village and another in the city. The main platform design is identical in both (save for the area where the spectators sit, which is themed to the backgrounds) and the floating platforms are the same design and size. But the platform number is different in both and as far as I know they have never shown the city variation with three platforms nor the village variation with only two.
I'm not sure what to make of them. They are both from the Wii U version, so there isn't a console version difference. When shown, the backgrounds have been incredibly static, just like in Brawl, so I really doubt there will be any background traveling going on a la Lylat Cruise (plus the main platform isn't consistent in either). And while their platform variations are different, they only seem to differ in the singular central platform. They just seem too similar to be separate stages.
What do you think?
I'm thinking it might be a quasi randomized variant of the same stage, kind of like Spear Pillar or Mushroomy Kingdom. Like, there's one Animal Crossing stage to pick, but when you choose it it randomly picks between the two variations, and potentially you could hold down a button to choose which one you want.
But that's just my shot in the dark.
They've shown two variations, one set in the village and another in the city. The main platform design is identical in both (save for the area where the spectators sit, which is themed to the backgrounds) and the floating platforms are the same design and size. But the platform number is different in both and as far as I know they have never shown the city variation with three platforms nor the village variation with only two.
I'm not sure what to make of them. They are both from the Wii U version, so there isn't a console version difference. When shown, the backgrounds have been incredibly static, just like in Brawl, so I really doubt there will be any background traveling going on a la Lylat Cruise (plus the main platform isn't consistent in either). And while their platform variations are different, they only seem to differ in the singular central platform. They just seem too similar to be separate stages.
What do you think?
I'm thinking it might be a quasi randomized variant of the same stage, kind of like Spear Pillar or Mushroomy Kingdom. Like, there's one Animal Crossing stage to pick, but when you choose it it randomly picks between the two variations, and potentially you could hold down a button to choose which one you want.
But that's just my shot in the dark.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
No time for silly crossover fighters now that MGS is srsbsnz drama. Smash goes out the window with Hayter.
good point.
I love Snake as a character too. It's so weird, but he fits into Nintendo's Universe VERY well, just like Sonic does, and Mega Man will. Plus Bomberman....
but he will never happen. 
Either way, because of Snake in Brawl, I actually became a fan of the Metal Gear Universe. I've always been familiar with him, but never really played his games. Now I love them and enjoy the universe. I'd be sad to see him cut even if his moveset carried over. It won't have the same charm as Snake did.
Snake can be cut for Big Boss though! 