Shadow Hog
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And yet, it already has, given Pokémon choices in the past, or the inclusion of Roy in Melee.
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Green Mamba
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That's why I said a couple characters here and there is alright.
Though I'm not entirely sure you could consider any of the playable Pokemon thus far as Marvel-esque promotions. All of them have had definite prior popularity. Pokemon Trainer himself was reaching into the series' past instead of what was currently hot.
Roy is like the one character in the entire series who's entire purpose was promotional.
And even then, he was a last minute clone to pad out the roster. That kind of careless urgency was absent with Brawl -- each newcomer pick really seemed to matter. I suspect even more care will be put into selecting newcomers for SSB4 since the roster is already pretty packed.
Oh yes, this... I think that I've encountered Manaphy less than 10 times. And it has such a fun ability. :/
Green Mamba
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I have never, not once, encountered Manaphy in Brawl.
The company has more things to sell, and profit from.
We have more things to enjoy and a more varied roster.
Example: due to the marvel method, marvel can now make money from more than spidey, the FF. and the xmen, and now can make money from the avengers, and soon marvel cosmic. We get to experiences more than the usual spidey the FF and the xmen, and get to be introduced to new experiences. We get variation, they get money. And If we do not like the variation, we can voice it, it wont sell and then they can try again some other time.
We all win.
" hey new pokemans"
" we like them"
" we will put them in more things and sell more things with their face on and put them in the show"
Marketing.
Troubled Bat
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It really is a fun ability. I would be the biggest troll and take advantage of the situation. I'd cause myself to suicide right as its about to do the switch. :3
Green Mamba
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Smash Bros. comes out far too infrequently for your final point to work. We get a shitty "please buy these games please" roster and we're stuck with it for around half a decade.
Quite simply, you want Smash Bros. to be something it never has been. It's a fanservice game and living museum and tribute to everything Nintendo has done up to the game's release. It is not a singular snapshot in time of what Nintendo wanted to push at that one point in time with a couple of bones thrown to older series' fans.
I would argue what you want is in fact the antithesis of what Smash Bros. is and is, quite frankly, a terrible and short-sighted idea.
I wish the XY starters are in the game
this thing looks like he just wants to do parkour and listen to indie rock while having a fence-sitting position when it comes to most politics but believes that we are being crushed by corporate america
Lets address this in order.
Not at all, pokemon trainer could help to sell gen 6, better yet rumor is its about time for a gen 3 remake. Put gen 3 pokemon trainer, have New mew rep gen 6. Bam.
Next.
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You mean that thing I am arguing has already been done, and nothing happened to the roster. And smash bros isn't some sacred cow that should not be touched, and can be a nintendo museum as well as a means of advertising. And you seem to be over reacting , thinking that I mean change the entire roster when I mean change one guy.
Oh me oh my
Newsflash, games are going to have characters better than others. Wario has little range on any of his attacks, his frame data is merely average, and he gets horribly raped by grab releases by most of the cast. Even characters like Sheik can kill him around 90%.
Fart, weight, recovery, and his aerial movement are the incentives to play him. Hes a very hard character to win with in Brawl...in fact there's only a couple Warios who place well with him in the WORLD. He WAS considered 3rd best in the game a long time ago but so what? So was DDD.
And lol at 55 seconds and being a "free" kill move. Fart is most dangerous at 90 seconds 55 seconds will hardly kill anyone and how exactly is something "free" you have to land the move, if your opponent shields the move there goes 2 minutes of charge time wasted and you have to wait again.
Fart is a unique move and was well implemented its not "broken" or anything.
SSBM was many westerner's introduction to marth.
The plan originally was to keep him out of the Western versions, they decided not to , turns out he got popular and they springboarded off of that.
Village, you do realize Marth is an iconic character of the franchise and Lucario is a very popular Pokemon right?
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Nocturnowl
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This is like saying that Ness was a promotional character in SSB for those of us in Europe.
And he finally arrived this week!
Sir Ilpalazzo
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I think he's suggesting that all the Fire Emblem characters were just put in to promote FE7.
Marth was included in Melee because Fire Emblem was big in Japan and because he scored highly on Sakurai's character survey. His most recent game was seven years before Melee came out. Whatever happened in the West as a result of that was merely coincidental -- the Fire Emblem characters weren't even going to be in the English version of Melee at all initially.
" oh hey these guys like this guy, ... Lets market that shit to them"
And they did, and it worked. Sometimes accidents happen, My point is that the game can be used as a vehicle to introduce people to new characters.
And it was, and it is.
Not at all.
He could have been however the introduction to EB and got them interested in the series. They did it several years to late, but he could have been.
A cross over is many things.
One of those things is a marketing tool.
A rep from every gen of Pokemon is probably asking for WAY too much.
But I honestly wouldn't mind at all. Especially if someone like PT counts as 1 rep. Then again, it'd be cool to have a PT like trainer that is multi-gen (perhaps having 3 Pokemon from 3 different generations lol).
But I honestly wouldn't mind at all. Especially if someone like PT counts as 1 rep. Then again, it'd be cool to have a PT like trainer that is multi-gen (perhaps having 3 Pokemon from 3 different generations lol).
Marth was included because Fire Emblem has a huge following in Japan, so it made sense for them to make that franchise to have a rep. He's iconic of the franchise, therefore he was there to rep the franchise, he's not a promotional character, Roy is.
Marth and Roy for a lot of people in the west got them interested in the series. And that is my point, a cross over gets you interested individual characters and their series. Crossovers are often marketing vehicles intentionally or not. And Smash bros is an intentional one , espically with things like trophies that give you insight on the series they come from and even tell you the game they are. So if you want to pick it up you can. Smash bros can be , and has been used as a marketing. And that is fine,
And that is my point, you can use smash to promote new Pokemon and still keep it smash, it isn't magically gonna turn into PSAS, no. The pokemon trainer is different that is it. Its not like Bayonetta or something ( many of you were frothing at the mouth for) its first party nintendo characters, in a installment of a classic series. How is smash bros tainted? How is it tarnished, I do not see how?
Okay, this is the problem. You're not understanding what we're actually talking about. We're talking about character inclusions that are purely for promotional purposes, which is likely Roy's case. Marth is NOT there for purely promotion, he was there because of the fans.
Pokémon doesn't need "promoting" through Smash Bros. It has a much bigger audience than this game does.
Green Mamba
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Marth was not included in Smash Bros. for promotional purposes. He was not included to increase awareness of Fire Emblem--he may have had that effect in the West, but that was not his inclusions intent.
Intent is the argument here that you don't seem to be getting.
Intent is the argument here that you don't seem to be getting.
This. SSB is good to show some small, old or obscure series but not something that big. I think 5 slots are enough for Pokemon. Pikachu, Mewtwo(both forms), Red, Jigglypuff and Lucario/something new.
And they could get a bigger one.
I understand the difference. My point it for many westerners, there wasn't any difference they were two new dudes from some game they had never heard of. And they investigated, and found something new to enjoy. Everyone included in the smash bros roster, is representing something/ marketing for it. Aside from obvious big wigs, and even then Link's appearance changes to match whatever game he is from.
To go back to the beginning of all this
Pokemon as of right now have 4 reps ( unless someone is added/cut ect.)
Pikachu
Jiggs
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario
They have 2 gen 1 reps
Why not use one of those slots to rep something that would be relevant to the future, so when it comes out, interests will already be sparked. Or if it is already out, get people to buy the game.
Like Ike, or if he is replaced, Chrom.
Smash bros can be used to celebrate the old and the new.
October 2014 for the Wii U version, and either the same or before Christmas for the 3DS.
No one is arguing about the character inclusions having an affect on popularity. We're talking about the original intent of the characters' inclusions. That's all.
Such a long running campaign puts the Oxo family to shame.
I am arguing that the intent of all the characters included is to pay reverence and to market.
That is the point of every cross over ever made ever. And What I am suggesting is nothing new. It wouldn't be tainting smash bros, because its just marketing and paying reverence, like everyone and everything in smash bros. Its very well put together.
Smash bros is one of those eastbay catalogs but instead of shoes its nintendo stuff , and sometimes sanic.
Oh ffs...
The difference between Smash Bros' inclusions and PASBR's inclusions is that the latter's half of the roster was really just there for the sake of promotion and nothing else. This isn't Smash Bros's case. They were added for more than just promotion. Yes, the characters in Smash Bros does promote the characters and their franchise but that's not the main reason they're in the roster.
You.are.not.getting.the.point.at.all.
That is what I just said
My old post
I am arguing that the intent of all the characters included is to pay reverence and to market.
That is the point of every cross over ever made ever. And What I am suggesting is nothing new. It wouldn't be tainting smash bros, because its just marketing and paying reverence, like everyone and everything in smash bros. Its very well put together.
Smash bros is one of those eastbay catalogs but instead of shoes its nintendo stuff , and sometimes sanic.
It is more than just marketing, frigging ROB . However its still marketing.
You do not seem to be reading.
Things can have two purposes.
Can't wait to buy a new ROB for my Wii U!
Once again, no one is arguing that the characters aren't being promoted. We're talking about the main intention of character inclusions. You're the one who isn't reading.
Ok, let me break it down.
Blow ya mind real quick, Things can have more than one intention and purpose.
And each smash bros characters purpose for being included is to pay reverence and to market.
that was the point
Pay reverence.
Reading is good yo.
I think you'll find it's actually Kirby that sucks.
Could've sworn that's what I've said that some posts ago:
Pretty sure I've implied that there's such thing as multiple purposes.
Besides, the argument in the first place is about not wanting characters that are just there for promotional purposes and nothing more. Which was PASBR's problem.
And
conjunction
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That is what I have been arguing in the first place, that you can do both those things.
So , qq more, koopah, sometime evee, formerly a small black pokemon child
What the fuck are we arguing about. Because that was my point from the fucking get go.
Read my edit. Your argument was pointless from the beginning
My argument was they should include gen 6 pokemon trainer, to market. And pay some respect to the Pokemon series, where its going.
And I have held that ground, and you agree with me.
Who's argument is pointless? We wasted time because you didn't agree how point was formulated basically.