Neff
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Won't happen.
Bloomberg; "Nintendo Rises as New Titles Spur Overseas Sales: Tokyo Mover"
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Won't happen.
I am Michael Bolton
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I think you're a bit confused when to accuse someone being salty...
chertipros
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Don't worry it'll outsell the Xbox one, PS Vita, and PS4 too. But I guess Nintendo just can't win
Psycho_Mantis
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Some perspective:
Ouch, they were lower in 2013 than in the GC era god damn.
I am Michael Bolton
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You mean $150-170 handheld coming into its own will sell better than $400-500 launch consoles? Congrats!
lol, yeah, hopefully everyone gets fired...
What's wrong with you?
the 3ds turnaround was seemingly through sheer force of will. the price drop, the xl version, getting nsmb2 out, promoting fire emblem and other limited edition systems- plus having all the japanese third-parties on board.
a wii u turnaround absolutely starts with a price drop, and they have a pretty good lineup this holiday. they're missing some of the japanese third-parties that are on the 3ds though. aside from two updated ports, capcom's been absent. konami's nowhere to be seen either.
KillerTravis
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I hope when I wake up tomorrow morning and open this thread it's not filled with AOC83's damage control.
Less this:
More of this please:
The thing is Nintendo, Iwata specifically, already realized their mistakes a long time ago, the problem is they need time to adapt.
Less this:
More of this please:
The thing is Nintendo, Iwata specifically, already realized their mistakes a long time ago, the problem is they need time to adapt.
I am Michael Bolton
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Nothing? But to argue that the 3DS outselling 8 year old hardware and hardware that is 3x its cost is some type of great achievement is a bit strange.
lwilliams3
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Unless the launch of the other next-gen consoles will have a great supply of shipments, you may want to lower your expectations on that "crushing" thing.
Huh, I thought they were back in the safe zone?!
Anyway, good news. With the 3DS and the recent output of games and the games that are still waiting to be released for it this small success is well deserved.
Wii U will also gain more attention and thus sales, or at the least I do believe that it will sell more units at the end of the year when the Must Haves are close to being released.
Yeah, the thing they need is time. Games take time, plans and marketing take time. Just having a random price cut at a random time wouldn't help. having an aggressive price cut at an aggressive time when so many big games are coming out with a big marketing push, now that would help.
I'm more amused by people who think Iwata being removed would magically turn things around, when we wouldn't see the effects of any change in command until 2016 at the earliest
Um... when analysts constantly predict the death of handheld gaming, Nintendo, and them going to ios any second.... what?
Its strange to be so obsessive about pointing out all these qualifiers... whats it matter to you?
I am Michael Bolton
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Better to start now than to have yet another piece of hardware launch under Iwata and require emergency desperation measures just to stay afloat.
Gamer @ Heart
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Agreed. Fuck this company for not following its rivals and doing everything you would prefer.
I am Michael Bolton
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Nothing. But context needs to be provided whenever someone pushes console A outselling console B&C. Its not in a vaccum.
The company is afloat. Despite having an operating loss last FY, the company still managed to turn a profit and be in the black.
I'm finding this sentiment that Nintendo is going to pull another 3DS miracle for the Wii U a bit hilarious. Wii U had their year to put distance behind them before PS4/Xbone. They screwed up badly. Anyone expecting Wii U to just reverse its misfortunes this holdiay season in the face of two brand new consoles being launched is taking the piss.
granabanana
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Can someone tell me the post address for Mr Pachter? I have a crowpie I would like to deliver DIRECTLY to him. *laughs*
Thanks.
Thanks.
I am Michael Bolton
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Wii U is selling worse than almost any previous mainline hardware. Thats not 'afloat'. Sorry.
Keep up the good fight.
chertipros
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What are you even trying to prove with these posts? Is a sales landmark for the 3DS not supposed to count unless the system was a grossly overpriced turd of a product relatively worse than the competition with no games that achieved high sales by accident? The 3DS is a desirable product. There is no need for your negative spin on it?
I am Michael Bolton
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Its a desirable product but pointing out it was the bedt selling hardware deserves actual context. Sorty if that bothers you.
ElectricKaibutsu
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I don't know why a Wii U rebound couldn't happen the same way. Nintendo has the cash to do it. Games+price drop seems like the magical equation.
And why dont you provide some context on the other side? The handheld was pronounced dead by most analysts and gamers after release. But apparently saying 'its selling well' is bad without some context on the financial history of the compeition and factors you consider important in making the news wetter.
Those "Consoles at the end of their lives" are selling at cheaper then the 3ds in lots of cases. But why didnt you mention it? Oh theyre dying... But the new consoles? Theyll cost more lol that doenst count!
Palette Swap
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At this point, WiiU completely depends on the other 2 messing up badly their launches.
No, this report is basically on the same level of news we got from Japan when we got headlines like: "Vita sales rise 1500% last week!" It sounds good in the short term but in the long run, greater context must be taken in what we are reading and not start high fiving and slapping asses over it. Some of you might want to take a peek inside the Media Create threads and get a dose of SalesGAF reality.
From a business sense then yes, they are afloat. From a gamer perspective where we care about sales figures of the right here right now, then you're right.
granabanana
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I will never understand why people want companies to fail so badly.
lwilliams3
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There is more to Nintendo than just the Wii U.
In either case, we will see what will happen in the coming months, but it is nice to hear that the company is showing signs of resurgence.
chertipros
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No shit there's context behind one product selling more than another one. It explains why that product sells more in the first place. The fact of the matter is is that it sells more. Period.
I am Michael Bolton
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PS3 selling for $160-70? Do tell where. Also it took Nintendo taking big losses that almost cost Iwata his job to turn the tide. I have a 3DS and Wii U. The 3DS is a great device and deserves its success but lets not go ignoring the path to how it got here. Lets not ignore that its still not selling as well as the DS. That its still not doing amazing numbers in the West. If someone pointing that out bothers you then I dont know what to say.
America guarantees that won't happen especially if MS is smart and throws their weight behind getting as many units to America as possible.
I am Michael Bolton
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Yep. I want it to fail. I only bought a Wii U and 3 DS day one.
KillerTravis
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If what you want is to provide context, then provide how much Nintendo is making out of every 3DS sold and how much Sony will be making out of every PS4 sold. I don't expect cost of manufacture for either XBO or PS4 to be very cheap.
If Nintendo sells 600k 3DSs during holidays it'll be huge for them.
Edit: And I'm probably underestimating there.
Sounds like you're the one bothered by someone saying the 3DS is doing well, which it is. Bother bother bother bother bother bother
Nintendo better go talk to the Voodoo Man because outside of a major catastrophe, Sony isn't going to drop the ball and MS is going to be looking to do all in its power to make up for its crazy 180.
I am Michael Bolton
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You quoting me saying its a great device and deserves its success while accusing me of being bothered that someone is pointing out its having success is funny.
I held my Nintendo shares for a little over a year and sold it recently for an 18% return after fees. I didn't even know that they gave out dividends! I earned my first one before the sale.
Was hoping for the Wii U to be successful, but that didn't pan out well. I think their digital and 3DS sales are keeping the shares afloat.
In other news, MSFT's shares dropped 11% on Friday after poor Surface sales, PC weakness, and threats of offshore taxes. Still not near it's 52-week low yet, but the company is definitely on my watchlist.
Was hoping for the Wii U to be successful, but that didn't pan out well. I think their digital and 3DS sales are keeping the shares afloat.
In other news, MSFT's shares dropped 11% on Friday after poor Surface sales, PC weakness, and threats of offshore taxes. Still not near it's 52-week low yet, but the company is definitely on my watchlist.
Why do you hate Nintendo so much? Sounds like you bought a 3DS and Wii U just so you could make the claim as you hate on Nintendo.
I know its unlikely, and it's not like I'm sitting here hoping for it or anything. Its just that with all the rumors of yield issues and whatnot, I wouldn't be surprised if they can't get too many units on the shelves. However, the fact that they're limiting launch territories probably means you're right.
MS can't afford to have limited stock. They have to match Sony in terms of available stocking this holiday.
I fully expect Nintendo to price drop Wii U in Aug. -- Pikmin 3 release is too close and they would have to announce price drop plans this week in order to make it so. Once the price is reduced, they have a strong and appealing lineup this holiday. No reason Wii U can't have impressive sales this holiday.
Gamer @ Heart
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The presence of 2 major releases in Nov/DEC mean nothing now?
I am Michael Bolton
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Yes. Thats exactly why I spent $700 combined day one. To be able to make a point on a message board. You found me out.