There should be a pretty steady stream of indie titles coming out by that point, at the very least. Might be a lack of AAA games but there will be stuff to play.
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There should be a pretty steady stream of indie titles coming out by that point, at the very least. Might be a lack of AAA games but there will be stuff to play.
BRocknRolla
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It's interesting that you should say that because as far as Nintendo seems to state in public, I would never know this was the case. Nintendo and Sony have been getting pats on the back for their indie support (though it seems maybe Sony's been more vociferous in their pursuit of new devs), but it seems like Sony is the only one trumpetting this support. Has Nintendo had any press releases or has it talked about indie games in specific?
They just fucking said they are hiring to meet demands of supporting two relatively highish end devices (compared to their predecessors).
If there is another drought because 3DS is getting a healthy stream of games, fuck this company.
Well, it looks to me that Nintendo doesn't use it as PR material but they talk about it, like Iwata highlighting Gunman Clive performances on the 3DS, plus their conferences (Ideame, Unity, java stuff) directed to the indies dev'.
Aquamarine
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The rampant, explosive success of the GBA successfully covered up GameCube shortcomings in Nintendo balance sheets a decade ago.
I see no reason why the 3DS can't do the same for the Wii U to a lesser degree.
ArtHands
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I think there are a handful of people who genuinely wants Nintendo to be doomed though. I've seem a couple in this thread alone.
If a company survives a failure, it serves as a great impetus for that failure not to be repeated. The Wii was probably designed because Nintendo didn't want a repeat of the GameCube. The PlayStation 4 was probably designed to avoid the massive losses of the PlayStation 3's early days. I'm not sure what the successor to the Wii U will be, but I imagine Nintendo will try to change up their strategy.
The Wii U tried to solve a problem I don't think too many people have, at least here in America. There are just so many ways to access entertainment that I don't think the Living Room TV being occupied is a problem. Their big feature was one that the life of the DS proved was best used for providing information (equipment screens, maps, stats) and navigating menus.
Arc Christelle
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Aw Yiss...... Motha Fuckin Money Printers!
Its more a case of the media hyping up Sony's indie approach more than Sony doing so and then not talking up Nintendo.
Wii U has a pretty substantial list of games coming from Indies but it has never gotten the attention as Sonys
They should. They have the same policy as Sony. I don't think most people even know games like Oddworld: New n Tasty are even coming out on WiiU.
Outtrigger888
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I disagree. I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that Sony's just letting the media do the work with publicizing their work with indies. I mean, did you watch their E3 presentation? Sony made their initiatives with Indie devs a pretty significant part of their showing. I think Sony has made it very clear on their own that indie devs are going to be a pretty integral part of the PS4/Vita ecosystem moving forward.
I don't want to completely knock Nintendo here, because I think their movement with indies has been one their better decisions in what has been a completely catastrophic mishandling of their platforms. But as of right now their movement with indies still seems to be largely NOA driven, and I don't anyone would say they've given it nearly as much promo as Sony.
I am Michael Bolton
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Sorry but no. Sony unlike Nintendo is actually giving Indie's publicity. They're constantly talking about what they're doing for and with Indies. Indies are speaking up praising Sony, talking about the freedom Sony has given them and the full control they have over their games.
Nintendo talking about Indies?
*crickets*
This isn't really all that impressive.
It's very much like Sony's significant stock rise on a percentage basis this year: both show a modest recovery from absolutely tanking over the last 3-4 years. Rising 50% when you're already soaring is much more impressive than rising 50% when you're in the doldrums. These represent more modest regression to the mean than they do some sort of notable return to form -- both companies are still considerably off their high water marks. As in, almost by an order of magnitude.
It's very much like Sony's significant stock rise on a percentage basis this year: both show a modest recovery from absolutely tanking over the last 3-4 years. Rising 50% when you're already soaring is much more impressive than rising 50% when you're in the doldrums. These represent more modest regression to the mean than they do some sort of notable return to form -- both companies are still considerably off their high water marks. As in, almost by an order of magnitude.
You can't talk about things you don't have. Just look at the eShop. Since launch there have only been a handful of new indy eShop games. If there were indies making games for it, they would be releasing them.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Along with the fact that in every interview, indies are in turn praising Nintendo.
I am Michael Bolton
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Umm exactly. Iwata spent less than TWO MINUTES talking about Indies and that was a month and half ago.
Nice. Just perfect.
freenudemacusers
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StreetsAhead
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Hardly crickets though, is it mate?
Also: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=626056
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=594761
that was at e3 though who remembers what happened a month ago? it's not like nintendo gave these games any face time when they most recently had the chance.
nordique
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No offence but I think you're off the ball a bit there.
I am Michael Bolton
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two minutes in a month and half? I'd argue that qualifies for crickets.
That's another minute and half though it's a nice example that they've mentioned Indies more than just once in a month and half. Perhaps they should do it more than once every thirty days.
StreetsAhead
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3DS has been the best selling console in the US two months in a row. It's fine, really.
That's him in every Nintendo thread. That's precisely why he got a VIP ticket on my ignore list.
I am Michael Bolton
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Nintendo needs to have an actual Indie Direct that is simply dedicated to the Indie games coming out over the next 3-6 months, IMO. They should invite some Indie devs to this event as well. The concern that I have with Nintendo and Indies is that for the most part they don't seem to be adding too many developers/titles that weren't on the Wii or that are exclusives. Nintendo has done better than Microsoft and significantly better than they did during the last gen but they seriously need to start giving these games and developers more TV time so to speak.
I'm sorry if my stating my frustrating with Nintendo in appropriate threads bothers you. When it comes to threads that are strictly geared towards what there is to be excited about with Nintendo I post exactly that, as I did with one of today's threads. When it comes to threads that discuss sales numbers, Nintendo's handling of their digital distribution, future expectations then I discuss those topics. FYI: Just because a poster is bearish on Nintendo and frustrated with the company doesn't make that poster a hater.
StreetsAhead
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You must have impressive lung capacity to run around moving goal posts like that.
I am Michael Bolton
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Who is moving goal posts? I didn't say that they're ignoring Indies until they do what I described. I simply stated that I believe having an Indie Direct is something that Nintendo needs to do.
StreetsAhead
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You started by saying that Nintendo don't talk about indies. Now that several have shown they do, in fact, mention indie games semi-regularly, you say that they need to do another arbitrary thing to make you happy.
I'd like to also go back to this point and post a list from the Wii U eshop thread of the upcoming announced release, a list which I don't believe is exhaustive:
8 BIT BOY
Developer: Awesomeblade Software
DATE: Kickstarter TBC
Price: ND
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kG1uUW5fo
A HAT IN TIME
Developer: Gears of Breakfast
A WORLD OF KEFLINGS
Developer: Ninjabee
ABAN HAWKINGS & THE 1001 SPIKES
Developer: Nicalis
ABYSS
Developer: Enjoy Up games
ANGRY VIDEOGAME NERDS ADVENTURES
Developer: Screw Attack games
ANIMA GATES OF MEMORIES
Developer: Anima Project Studios
A.N.N.E.
Developer: Gamesbymo
ANOTHER CASTLE
Developer: Uncade
ARMILLO
Developer: Fuzzy Wuzzy Games
BALLPOINT UNIVERSE
Developer: Arachnid Games
BIKER BASH
Developer: Slighlty Mad Studios
BLOOD OF THE WEREWOLF
Developer: Scientifically Proven Entertainment
BLOSSOM TALES
Developer: Castle Pixel
BUDDY & ME
Developer: Sunbreak Games
CASTLESTORM
Developer: Zen Studios
CITIZENS OF EARTH
Developer: Eden Industries
CLOUDBERRY KINGDOM
Developer: Pwee Studios
COASTER CRAZY DELUXE
Developer: Frontier Developments
COSMIC HIGHWAY
Developer: Maestro Interactive
CRYMORE
Developer: Nostalgico
C-WARS
Developer: Onipunks
DARKENED LIGHTS
Developer: Rider Games
DARTS UP
Developer: Enjoy Up Games
DAYS OF DAWN
Developer: Bumblebee Games
DUCK TALES REMASTERED
Developer: Capcom
DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS: CHRONICLES OF MYSTARA
Developer: Capcom
DUSTY REVENGE
Developer: PD Design studio
FADE INTO DARKNESS
Developer: Maestro Interactive Games
FESTIVAL OF MAGIC
Developer: Snowcastle Games
FORGOTTEN MEMORIES
Developer: Psychoz Interactive
GET OFF MY LAWN
Developer: Scientifically Proven Entertainment
GIANA SISTERS: TWISTED DREAM
Developer: Black Forest Games
DATE: Kickstarter
GUNS OF ICARUS ONLINE
Developer: Muse Games
iDEAME U
Developer: Nicalis
MUTANT MUDDS 2
Developer: Renegade Kid
NOCTEMIS
Developer: Lacuna Entertainment
ODDWORLD: NEW N' TASTY
Developer: Oddworld Inhabitants
ODDWORLD: STRANGERS WRATH HD
Developer: Oddworld Inhabitants
OLIVER & SPIKE: DIMENSION JUMPERS
Developer: Rock Pocket Games
OSTRICH ISLAND
Developer: MeDungron Games
Pac-Man Museum (Namco Bandai Games)
Percy's Predicament (Maestro Interactive Games)
Pier Solar and the Great Architects HD (Watermelon Company)
Pokemon Scramble U (Nintendo)
Project Cars (Slightly Mad Studios)
Project Y2K (Ackkstudios)
Q.U.B.E (Toxic Games)
Rex Rocket (Castle Pixel)
Road Redemption (DarkSeas Games)
Saber Riders and the Star Sheriffs (Firehazard Studio)
Scram Kitty and his Buddy on Rails (Dakko Dakko) 2013
Shadow of the Eternals (Precursor Games)
Shovel Knight (Yacht Club Games) 2013
Spin the Bottle: Bumpie's Party (KnapNok Games) 2013
Squids (The Game Bakers)
Star Beast: The Stellar War (Pixel Entertainment)
Super Ubie Land (Notion Games)
Tengami (Nyamyam)
Terra Incognita (Back to Basics Gaming)
Teslagrad (Rain Games)
The Mystery Cities of Gold (Neko Entertainment)
The Pinball Arcade (Farsight Studios)
The 90's Arcade Racer (Nicalis)
Two Brothers (Ackkstudios)
Unepic (EnjoyUp Games)
i think you put yourself into a bad spot with
which indicates they have given no thought or care towards independent developers. then someone points out they have done so in the recent past, and suddenly it's not good enough, and when they have done it in an even more recent past, it's just slightly better.
i guess a good question to ask would be examples of sony talking about independent developers. i was out a laptop for almost a month, so i missed out on a lot of stuff. i am not sure how frequent they've been in mentioning those guys since e3.
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LiveFromKyoto
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I would't say that. Sony's had Octodad front & centre at a couple of events now, and I don't think those guys have done anything else. A couple of other first-timers are getting pub too. Other than that, it's hard for anybody in the industry to stand out above the crowd, but especially those without marketing budgets.
At the end of the day, it's not the platform holders' jobs to promote any of these guys, just provide a viable market for them.
all right, that's a fair amount. i don't think it invalidates what nintendo's doing or what they're saying. it's not like nitendo making a bunch of platformers means ratchet & clank doesn't exist or that a crack in time isn't any good.