Infinite_Daremo
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Kids are gonna have to resort to finding porn mags in forests like the good old days.
UK: David Cameron announces online pornography block, opt-in rule pledged
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zomgbbqftw
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Hahaha so true.
MarkMclovin
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Sigh.
So it's back to the 10 minute preview and the Grattan catalogue for a quick knuckle shuffle.
So it's back to the 10 minute preview and the Grattan catalogue for a quick knuckle shuffle.
Wouldn't happen. Be the same as other politicians rejecting softer drugs laws or even rejecting homeopathy funding. Middle England is a pisshole of idiocy.
ambientmystic
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VPN usage in the UK to skyrocket lol.
It's fucking unbelievable that the UK is about to join the ranks of backward ass 3rd world nations in the Middle East and Asia who heavily censor their internet.
They have an excuse, they're heavily theocratic, dogmatic and Islamist.
What's yours, you increasingly atheistic nation free of religion?
You can take away many things from a man and he will remain silent, but woe betide you if you separate him from his ready access to porn.
It's fucking unbelievable that the UK is about to join the ranks of backward ass 3rd world nations in the Middle East and Asia who heavily censor their internet.
They have an excuse, they're heavily theocratic, dogmatic and Islamist.
What's yours, you increasingly atheistic nation free of religion?
You can take away many things from a man and he will remain silent, but woe betide you if you separate him from his ready access to porn.
Chainsawkitten
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So, in other words, they will keep a register on everyone who disables it and investigate them for child pornography possession.
Unless it's completely worthless against child porn even by their own narrative (that child porn exists on regular pornsites) since you can just turn it off.
Even if you accept their premises (and those premises are ridiculous) it still doesn't make any sense.
Velcro Fly
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I for one look forward to the day where parents are completely relieved of their responsibility to parent their children
ambientmystic
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Already happened in the states. Replaced by day care centers and the TV, amongst other things.
You are aware that even if this got though, any adult can just flick a switch to have porn right? That's assuming it's blocked by default, which I doubt.
I do not agree with such a petty measure, but lets keep it in perspective.
You are aware that the internet in the UK is already censored right? Has been for quite a while.
Here's what I don't understand, why can't there be more education on how to use parental locks? Have a government scheme or get the ISPs to send over a leaflet in the mail. Net Nanny 101 or something. Remember when all wireless connections used to be open until ISPs started advising people to add a password to it? Something along those lines with parental locking would be ideal. Why does the government feel it is their duty to do parent work?
evanswolves
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Can picture it..
"of Course sir, we will unblock the adult material and move you to the adult package, which will cost an extra £5 per month as you will be using a lot more data to stream the material"
Velcro Fly
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I think this is worse than childcare and being babysat by technology. Parents still should be laying down a moral code for their children to follow.
This is all that's needed to be done. Instead all of this is being done for the tabloids and for no ones benefit other than the PM's image.
kurtrussell
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Le sigh!
A perfectly reasonable suggestion that has been met with the usual hefty dose of GAF hyperbole and salt.
Firstly, before we all implode with rage, let's remember that it's a filter not a block. If you want to watch porn online, opt in. If you feel too embarrassed / ashamed to do so, then you have a much more deep rooted problem that would probably benefit from a few sessions with a therapist.
As a parent, I am very much in favour of this move, particuarly as I feel pornography portrays unrealistic ideals of sex to minds that are still very much impressionable, from both a female and a male perspective. I'm sorry that a few nerds are going to feel uncomfortable calling up and asking for their web filters to be disabled, but this really is for the greater good.
A perfectly reasonable suggestion that has been met with the usual hefty dose of GAF hyperbole and salt.
Firstly, before we all implode with rage, let's remember that it's a filter not a block. If you want to watch porn online, opt in. If you feel too embarrassed / ashamed to do so, then you have a much more deep rooted problem that would probably benefit from a few sessions with a therapist.
As a parent, I am very much in favour of this move, particuarly as I feel pornography portrays unrealistic ideals of sex to minds that are still very much impressionable, from both a female and a male perspective. I'm sorry that a few nerds are going to feel uncomfortable calling up and asking for their web filters to be disabled, but this really is for the greater good.
Tomorrow in Britain: the PM bans all critical websites "because reading criticism can cause problems in children"
To the dude above me: then make it so that it should be opt-out.
Porn can be harmful, but its mostly good. If something is more good than bad, dont ban because of the possibility of causing harm. The ramifications of porn dont outweigh the pro's
To the dude above me: then make it so that it should be opt-out.
Porn can be harmful, but its mostly good. If something is more good than bad, dont ban because of the possibility of causing harm. The ramifications of porn dont outweigh the pro's
Bony Manifesto
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To think that tabloid newspapers like The Sun and Daily Mirror has influence and relevance is somewhat depressing.
kurtrussell
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Yup. Like I said, hyperbole and salt.
Because, yknow, fuck people with crippling social issues who find it hard enough to pick up a phone, let alone pay for professional help.
How about taking some responsibility as a parent and install some already available software to police what your children are doing? How about educating your children about the "dangers" of the Internet.
This isn't about "nerds" being annoyed about their porn being blocked. This is about a government taking its first steps towards proper Internet censorship. It's a very slippery slope from here if this passes into law.
peanutbutterlatte
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"Before you could say "Brazzers" we were knee deep in child prostitution... and amateur videos"
Do your job as a parent and prevent them from accessing that content at an early age, then. It's easy enough to install parental filters.
Educate them on those matters as and when necessary.
Don't force this shit on all of by proxy.
Why should i an adult be put on some list because lazy fuckers are too lazy to parent. Where does it end. Do we put all the fat people on lists, all the smokers on lists. Its down right stupid and shouldnt happen.
Forsythia
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Indeed, you just know this isn't the last thing they'll block.
Psychotext
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...and exactly what right does the government have to get between me and the internet? Let me guess, it's all for the safety of the children? Horseshit (especially as no web filter has ever worked 100% effectively anyway).
Even though you are allowed to opt to disable the filters, if you bypass the filters in a non-official manner then it will be interesting to see if this is considered illegal. My guess would be yes, so they can force certain people to have the filters enabled.
Of course at first it will only be the 'sex offenders' who are forced to filter, but as the scope of what is filtered grows so the number of people who are 'allowed' to turn them off will decrease...
Of course, if that Guardian article is right and he's straight up lying then that's a whole different mindfuck.
Haven't read the whole thread yest so apologies if this has been suggested already.
Of course at first it will only be the 'sex offenders' who are forced to filter, but as the scope of what is filtered grows so the number of people who are 'allowed' to turn them off will decrease...
Of course, if that Guardian article is right and he's straight up lying then that's a whole different mindfuck.
Haven't read the whole thread yest so apologies if this has been suggested already.
Daily Mail has been on a BAN THIS SICK FILTH campaign for months now, calling for an opt-in on internet porn and publishing articles about how little Timmy was a perfect student before he saw some porn and became a serial killer.
So, basically, confirmation that the Daily Mail now runs this country? What a horrifying thought.
So, basically, confirmation that the Daily Mail now runs this country? What a horrifying thought.
German politicians tried the same thing, but the resistance was too big. No, not because Germans love their porn so much, it was because people found out that websites landed "accidentally" in the filter which had nothing to do with porn.
JonathanEx
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If the logic behind this is that porn is bad, we should probably look at the evidence - or lack thereof - behind it. Very good R4 programme on it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02ykg3m - it's on iPlayer plus a full transcript there.
Also, a very good Telegraph blog on it. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/techno...rn-because-he-doesnt-understand-the-internet/
And I've just praised a Telegraph blog. It's the end of days.
Also, a very good Telegraph blog on it. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/techno...rn-because-he-doesnt-understand-the-internet/
And I've just praised a Telegraph blog. It's the end of days.
kurtrussell
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...and like that, GAF are experts in parenting. First of all, fuck you guys for trying to tell me how to raise my own kids. You have no clue what I do and don't do, and GAF judging me on my parenting skills is a bit like me trying to tell a pilot how to fly a plane.
I'm guessing you don't have children of your own. When you do, you'll realise that life is not as simple as "take some responsibility and educate your children". It's a fucking minefield out there, and no parent stands behind their children watching their internet usage all the time. For one, it's just not feasible, and also, I like to have some kind of trust in my children and not have to constantly monitor what they do online.
I'm not sure how much you know about local web blocking software, but it can degrade performance and the fact that it embeds itself so deeply into the operating system is a huge issue - apart from the incompatibilities that the software can introduce, there are potentially many little vulnerabilities being introduced that any nasty piece of malware may be able to hook into.. Besides, I am not even sure if there *is* any appropriate blocking software for Fedora.
Nothing is being forced on anyone. There is a filter that can be taken off with a one minute phonecall. It's NOT A BLOCK. One phonecall, and you opt-out and everything is as it was before.
Ultimately, pornography is harmful for children in that it gives girls an unrealistic body image ideal and teaches boys that women are by and large semen-recepticles. Children do not have the life experience to be able to put pornography into context, and anything that can be done to limit their intentional or unintentional access to it is a good thing.
Teenage boys got hold of porn before the internet. They will continue to do so after this block. If it ever comes about. Which it probably wont as the ISPs will fight it tooth and nail.
The letter that was leaked from the gov to ISPs make it sounds like this will never come about.
The letter that was leaked from the gov to ISPs make it sounds like this will never come about.
Bony Manifesto
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Look, I don't think anyone is suggesting that parents shouldn't have the right to be able to shield their children from the seedier sides of the internet - hell, that's just downright sensible. But the government stepping in and taking the responsibility (although let's face it, it'll be the ISPs getting stick if little Johnny still sees an unfiltered boob) for protecting your kids by slapping a filter on every internet user in the country is just ludicrous, not to mention antithetical to the Conservative party's supposed disdain for the 'nanny state'.
Still, on the upside, it'll create the next generation of male computer engineers, who'll get their start learning about the deep workings of their computer in order to circumvent this lock!
ElectricBlue187
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As a parent, I am very much in favor of the government doing my (ridiculously easy, in this case) job for me. I'm sorry that most people in the world would rather not be blocked by default but I have kids and therefore my rights to get what i want are more important than yours. Le sigh
kurtrussell
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Well, I've been here about two years longer than you have so far.
Hot Coldman
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Personally, I think there's waaaaaaaay bigger societal problems contributing to children's fucked-up ideals of sexuality than a few people thrusting their bits together on a computer screen. But I guess coming out against popular entertainment and decrying their portrayals of women and sex and so forth is a lot scarier than just badgering some ISPs to block the nuddie people.
I don't blindly attack and insult people.
kurtrussell
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AFAIK, it works like this:
- Setting up a new internet connection, the filter is applied by default. If you request, the filter is removed
- Existing internet connections are asked if they want to opt-in to the filter or not. If anyone chooses not to respond, then the filter is applied
zomgbbqftw
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To be honest it's this kind of stuff that makes me want to leave the country. I can deal with high taxes and I can deal with general nannying, but the government wasting time pursuing this kind of stuff makes me want to leave.
The fact that in China I would be able to look at porn by default but in Britain (if Dave has his way) I would be required to take an extra step and my name would then be logged on a list of people who have opted out of a filter is an indictment of this supposedly liberal conservative government.
The fact that in China I would be able to look at porn by default but in Britain (if Dave has his way) I would be required to take an extra step and my name would then be logged on a list of people who have opted out of a filter is an indictment of this supposedly liberal conservative government.
kurtrussell
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As a parent, I find it ridiculous that you're relying on the government to do your job for you.
kurtrussell
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What "job" is that exactly? Newsflash: installing internet filter software is not a parent's "job".
My kids are savvy to the dangers of the internet. They also understand what pornography is. However, I have two daughters who due to the apparent pressures of growing up today, are already ridiculously self-concious of their body image. I do not want them possibly exposed to something that could either exasperate this or teach them that the role of a woman is just to satisfy a man. I don't believe they would seek this kind of material out, but if there's an ISP level filter that can prevent them from inadvertently accessing this material, then I don't see how I could possibly not be in favour of it.
If somebody wants to watch porn that badly, then what's the problem with calling up to make a phonecall? Are you really so selfish to not understand that the potential good this filter could do outweighs the inconvenience of you having to perform one 30 second action to ensure continued access to adult entertainment?
The fact you find that an insult in itself is laughable.
You don't think preventing your own children from viewing this content is your job?
Nanny state, indeed.
If the Internet is such a "minefield" then don't let your children use it unsupervised? If you like to trust your children, and that is admirable, then educate then about the dangers of online content and trust them to heed that warning and behave accordingly?
I am aware of Internet filtering software and how intrusive it can be, but, that's not my problem? If you want to impose some restrictions on your children's activities (and of course you have the right to do that as a parent) then you will need to compromise, a little "slow performance + child safety" or "lightning performance + no child safety" that's your decision to make.
Also, FYI, there are a lot of routers that have filtering software built in, you can customise what is blocked and when, they are very affordable and have no performance impact on any of the devices accessing the Internet.
Again, this is much more than just blocking some naked people on the internet. What will be the next thing that the government decides is bad for us?
zomgbbqftw
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Do what my parents did. Supervise your children on the internet until they reach around 16 years old. Don't get them a smartphone and don't get them a tablet.
Be a real fucking parent basically.
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