UK: David Cameron announces online pornography block, opt-in rule pledged

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Why can't they just create a website that will let you turn it on? Advertise it and make everyone know of it? New people signing up will be asked if they want it enabled.
 
cyberheater said:
So your finally starting to get the picture. I've got at least 10 devices in my house that can access the internet. And I've got to run around setting up options for all of them because you lot can't leave your cock alone and are too ashamed to phone up your ISP to unlock your wank filter. I smh...
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How about you do your job as a parent and keep an eye on what your kid does online, when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed anywhere NEAR the internet unless I had an adult around, nowadays you've got it much easier, all you have to do is set up the filtering options on your devices, each on takes about 5 minutes, some even less. Stop being a lazy miserable cunt, watch what your kids are doing on the internet instead of letting the government do it.

I shouldn't have to call up to a stranger who has my personal details mind, and tell them "Hey listen I'd love to go watch some hardcore porn, can you please disable the filter?" because if this filter is supposedly in use to stop the spread of child porn, what then will happen to those who enter the opt out list? Will we suddenly be watched on what we do on the internet? Thats starting to sound a little bit police state and is a fucking political travesty.

Bottom line, its up to the parents to ensure their kid isn't watching porn, I shouldn't be restricted in my use of the internet because you can't make sure your kids are not watching porn when you give them a laptop or a pc.
 
cyberheater said:
I'm saying any help that a parent can get to help keep their kids away from this stuff is welcome in my home.
It couldn't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned.
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I can't believe I have to repeat this again but...

Sex: Good
Violence: Bad

It is extremely interesting that the first thing these lunatics decided to do is ban porn when there are so many fucked up sites on the internet with horrible violence (not that I suggest censorship there either).

If you want your kids to avoid watching porn install anti-porn software, you don't need the government censoring the internet. Also lock them in a room until 18 because they will watch porn either way.
 
Is this being done at ISP level or router level?

I got the impression it was a setting on the router but people are talking about phoning the ISP to get access.

If it's at the router then kids are just gonna google the router's default IP address and admin password and switch it back off themselves.

If it's ISP's then are mobile networks included in this? I take it that they are not as I've heard that it is specifically broadband connections - in which case you just turn your mobile into a wifi hotspot.

Can't check mysellf as I'm at work and IE6 (yes IE6) crashes every time I try at look at the link.
 
Jackben said:
Where this crosses the line is the opt-out process being discussed. That is where it affects people who are not parents negatively and unnecessarily. If this is going to continue and become law, it should be opt-in; there is no excuse for it to be opt-out for people who are not involved.
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Well I agree that there is a debate to be had on that part of the issue. I've got no problem with it being opt-in. But I can see why the gov would rather it being opt-out.
 
ghst said:
i don't think you've been paying attention for the last 2500 years.
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Let's not play coy. That's not the argument I'm trying to make nor is it one I wish to have.

I was simply saying in the nicest way possible if people vote this in, it will likely come to pass as law regardless of whether it is a good idea or not.
cyberheater said:
Well I agree that there is a debate to be had on that part of the issue. I've got no problem with it being opt-in. But I can see why the gov would rather it being opt-out.
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Yes, we can all see why the government would rather it be an opt-in monitored process which is exactly why so many are against it.
 
Unless the ISPs had a change in their position, an opt out system isn't what was negotiated.

The ISPs said they will offer filtering to all new users and existing users, which you can opt to take or not.

Cameron just asked the ISPs whether it was okay to say that the filter was the default option.
 
Talk about using a sledge hammer to crack a nut.

While this may have some degree of success stopping kids viewing porn (I am a little dubious on that) I don't think it will have any impact on cp sharing/viewing, there are ways and means of doing that and truthfully all the internet did was make it easier for it to be circulated.

If once this is in affect and some data is available that shows it has helped parents stop kids watching porn then great I wouldn't argue with it, but what about the parents who don't give a toss what the little darlings are doing on the internet ?

I have to wonder if there will be a neat little (well maybe not so little) folder with the names and addresses of everyone who opts-out.
 
Chainsawkitten said:
You've got 10 different devices which all connect to the Internet in different ways? Or do you have 10 devices that connect to your router so you could easily get a router-level filter without much effort at all?
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I've got to pop out but they are all connected to the router either wirelessly or ethernet.
 
Cartman86 said:
Why can't they just create a website that will let you turn it on? Advertise it and make everyone know of it? New people signing up will be asked if they want it enabled.
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Because calling is more shameful and sets the barrier higher.
 
GJS said:
Unless the ISPs had a change in their position, an opt out system isn't what was negotiated.

The ISPs said they will offer filtering to all new users and existing users, which you can opt to take or not.

Cameron just asked the ISPs whether it was okay to say that the filter was the default option.
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Much ado about nothing if that is the case. Well, except for the egregious waste of taxpayer money, which is just par for the course at this point with government.
 
Viremira said:
Talk about using a sledge hammer to crack a nut.

While this may have some degree of success stopping kids viewing porn (I am a little dubious on that) I don't think it will have any impact on cp sharing/viewing, there are ways and means of doing that and truthfully all the internet did was make it easier for it to be circulated.

If once this is in affect and some data is available that shows it has helped parents stop kids watching porn then great I wouldn't argue with it, but what about the parents who don't give a toss what the little darlings are doing on the internet ?

I have to wonder if there will be a neat little (well maybe not so little) folder with the names and addresses of everyone who opts-out.
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Thing is not everyone has kids so why penalise people that don't for a select group of people? I can't wait till I have kids so I can push bullshit things through parliament too.
 
Parents who support opt out but would be fine with opt in are being self centered. Even if its just a phone call and being put on a list (yay), us adults who have nothing to do with this are being involved for no logical reason. Yet you don't care because 'hey it works for me so everyone else should suck it up'
 
Blair said:
Parents who support opt out but would be fine with opt in are being self centered. Even if its just a phone call and being put on a list (yay), us adults who have nothing to do with this are being involved for no logical reason. Yet you don't care because 'hey it works for me so everyone else should suck it up'
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A lot of parents feel a sense of entitlement because "they've done their part" - everyone else is just selfish.



edit - The Q&A on the BBC website is quite helpful considering we don't know everything about this yet: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23403068
 
HixxSAFC said:
Fuck it I am going to download ALL THE PORN now.
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Porn site traffic and subscriptions are through the roof following Cameron's most recent announcement. Behind the scenes it is revealed porn production companies provided hefty anonymous donations to the Cameron campaign;
 
Jackben said:
Porn site traffic and subscriptions are through the roof following Cameron's most recent announcement. Behind the scenes it is revealed porn production companies provided hefty anonymous donations to the Cameron campaign;
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I can only imagine that. Shit is going serious... Just wait, until someone in the EU council has the same idea, for the whole European Union.
 
CrazY CroaTia said:
I can only imagine that. Shit is going serious... Just wait, until someone in the EU council has the same idea, for the whole European Union.
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A Dutch EU politician proposed a similar thing a few months ago. The EU adjusted their spam filters because of the amount of backlash emails they got.
 
Nils said:
A Dutch EU politician proposed a similar thing a few months ago. The EU adjusted their spam filters because of the amount of backlash emails they got.
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Yep but Google implemented the always-on safesearch. :_(
I have to refine my search by 4th times to find the video link I want.
 
Fuck. People actually defending this. Even if you want the filter theres no reason whatsoever to make it on by default. If you want it you should be the one to make the phonecall. If it's for the good of your kids it should be worth the effort right?
 
javac said:
"If we block da porn all the dodgy stuff will disappear!"
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"Well I can tell you today we are changing that. We are closing the loophole - making it a criminal offence to possess internet pornography that depicts rape." - Cameron

Why just internet porn? I don't get it, so if I stream Pulp Fiction or read an online ebook of 120 Days of Sodom is that illegal?
 
Burgess_101 said:
Thing is not everyone has kids so why penalise people that don't for a select group of people? I can't wait till I have kids so I can push bullshit things through parliament too.
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I've had that conversation with friends a few times, usually it comes back to image, blocking porn for everyone to save the children looks better than leaving it how it is and putting the emphasis on parents to do more.

Leave it how it is and letting parents opt-in seems like a better option,even though I'm pretty sure people who are parents view porn too but the politicians would never say that.

Maybe its just the usual if we block it its not happening situation...
Block all porn and it will vanish...Yeah...No.

Politicians I really don't like them.
 
Nanny state? nanny state..that cameron is such a douche bag. Horrible excuse and this will make look china have more open internet then the UK.
 
Nils said:
A Dutch EU politician proposed a similar thing a few months ago. The EU adjusted their spam filters because of the amount of backlash emails they got.
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Ah yes that one feminist wanted that indeed,but we are very vocal about open internet and it shows.
 
It's the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.

Won't work, not needed and insulting.

MP is getting a letter and I hope there is massive fallout.

If anything it will push people to understanding and using the super dodgy areas of the Internet more.

The piratebay block is also a joke and takes a second to skip over.
 
I can't believe they're actually going through with this. I think the internet porn I watched as a teen was a healthy part of my development.
 
Sir Fragula said:
Hah!

Seriously though, send an email to your MP if you oppose this. I did!
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I'm not from the UK, but unlike a lot of the "this doesn't effect me crowd". I still very much care as stuff like this seems to become more and more prevalent.
 
Glad to see that Victorian England isn't dead. Now bring back the whale corsets for máximum prunish effect in the name of, huh, public decency, or feminism or morality or God or whatever.
 
Burgess_101 said:
Thing is not everyone has kids so why penalise people that don't for a select group of people? I can't wait till I have kids so I can push bullshit things through parliament too.
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I would wager that more people have kids than wank to internet porn.

So who's being "selfish" now?
 
kurtrussell said:
I would wager that more people have kids than wank to internet porn.

So who's being "selfish" now?
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That is neither here nor there, not letting your kids view a certain thing is down to the parents. Some parents don't have a problem with porn others do.

To be honest what you say is just stupid, because there is less people doesn't make it 'less right'.
 
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