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Fighting Games Weekly | July 22-28 | Life's A Beech

Professor Beef said:
I wish the game didn't make my laptop seem like it was running a marathon. It's a fun game though.
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That flash, man. My laptop does the same. It won't even run at it's normal speed (making the game easier than it actually is). I'm really glad that the new version, the de-make, doesn't seem to be using it.
RellyRell28 said:
https://twitter.com/ultradavid/status/360559473892409344
This really seems to bug him. I don't really care for the matter. I mean if Poker, Spelling Bees and Cup Stacking are broadcast on ESPN I have no issue with them looking at video games as sports(even though I consider none of them actual sports)
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Did you read his article talking about this? His major qualms are with possible Government involvement and regulation. The definition of "sport" isn't what's bugging him here.

Edit: Here it is if you haven't seen it: http://dpgatlaw.com/2013/07/23/inviting-regulation-the-sportsification-of-video-games/
 
RellyRell28 said:
https://twitter.com/ultradavid/status/360559473892409344
This really seems to bug him. I don't really care for the matter. I mean if Poker, Spelling Bees and Cup Stacking are broadcast on ESPN I have no issue with them looking at video games as sports(even though I consider none of them actual sports)
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I don't think it's hard to understand where his concern is coming from if you already read that article he posted earlier.

But yeah, with awareness as low as it is on the topic, I don't really know what can even be done to address it. It'd take an unbelievable amount of public will and/or money to avoid what he's predicting will likely happen, and I don't see where either could come from right now.
 
darkblade77 said:
I don't think it's hard to understand where his concern is coming from if you already read that article he posted earlier.

But yeah, with awareness as low as it is on the topic, I don't really know what can even be done to address it. It'd take an unbelievable amount of public will and/or money to avoid what he's predicting will likely happen, and I don't see where either could come from right now.
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Okay I see I just didn't care that much about it being considered a sport. Any is this VxG event gonna happen or am I gonna be stuck watch MLG pro scrims of Black Ops 2
 
It's not just the legal-related issues, either. (I think it's kind of obvious that that article was written at least partly as a justification for an opinion he already held; not that there's anything wrong with that or that he didn't make some really good points.) He just hates having to legitimize his hobby to people who don't care about that hobby by couching it in their terms.
 
Professor Beef said:
oh ok

...what else is on?
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Summer Games Done Quick 2013 started today. Carcinogen is currently running Resident Evil: Code Veronica X using an arcade stick.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda
Schedule: http://marathon.speeddemosarchive.com/schedule

El Sloth said:
Maybe one of those head-to-head Binding of Isaac speedruns. BOILeR I think it's called? I caught one the other day and it was surprisingly entertaining.
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These are very entertaining as well. Not sure if there are any going on tonight, but they are streamed by Crumps.

EDIT: Looks like I was late on the SGDQ recommendation. No BOILeR matches tonight, though. Schedule is here for future reference.
 
Hey FGC people, we are going live at 9pm EST/ 6pm PST with Hit Confirm LIVE Episode 31: We're Going to DA BEECH...Sort of - Video X Games Preview!

Clinton and Tony are taking a trip to DA BEECH on this episode of Hit-Confirm LIVE, previewing this $30K event, with players such as Evo 2K13 Champion, Xian, Chris G, Justin Wong and Da Human Hype Machine IFCYipes making appearances.

We'll also be looking into a guest editorial by David "UltraDavid" Graham on Shoryuken (http://shoryuken.com/2013/07/22/gue...sportsification-of-video-games-by-ultradavid/) about the potential Sportification of Video Games.

All this and your everyday news and FGC discussion, going live NOW!

Catch us live at: http://www.twitch.tv/radioinfluencedotcom/
 
Cosmo Clock 21 said:
Summer Games Done Quick
http://www.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda
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The thing I was talking about was more of a competition, but this is cool too. And for a good cause too. Doctors Without Borders is definitely better than many of the bigger charities that donate to so-called "research" (that's of course not to say that there aren't legitimate research oriented charities).
ian to the max said:
No BOILeR matches tonight, though. Schedule is here for future reference.
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Cool, thanks! I didn't realize they had their own website. Interesting that they put themselves under the esports banner.
 
secretanchitman said:
Nice thanks for the link. Loved it but besides the expensive food, my biggest complaint is that there needs to be a bigger venue where *everyone* can watch it live and not in a separate room via stream. It's not fair for people who really don't know if they can go to EVO until a month or two beforehand. Really was lame.
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Yeah, that's probably the most ridiculous part but it's pretty much way too hard to go bigger than that with Evo at its current size.

Was the secondary room larger than the main one or was it the same? It felt like the secondary one was a little wider but I guess I could be remembering wrong.

I posted my feedback in the thread though. Most my complaints are organization/scheduling related. Considering how much more space they had, they kind of used it poorly. This affects streaming schedule too which was one of my other complaints.
 
Jebailey on Twitter talking about using Chromecast for twitch, with pics.

Big Q: how did he get his so soon, mine isn't even shipping until Aug 2. Damn, the Illuminati has influence.
 
It's the Entertainment & Sports Programming Network. Poker, eating contests, and spelling bees are not sports, but ESPN shows them anyway because they're entertainment.

Also, ESPN sucks. Why would you want video game competitions broadcast on it? If somehow Evo is ever broadcast on ESPN, they'll put Stephen A. Smith or Matt Millen on commentary and you'll start to think that Adam Sessler wasn't so bad after all.
 
CurlyW said:
It's the Entertainment & Sports Programming Network. Poker, eating contests, and spelling bees are not sports, but ESPN shows them anyway because they're entertainment.

Also, ESPN sucks. Why would you want video game competitions broadcast on it? If somehow Evo is ever broadcast on ESPN, they'll put Stephen A. Smith or Matt Millen on commentary and you'll start to think that Adam Sessler wasn't so bad after all.
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Are you SURE the "E" doesn't stand for "Electronic" as in "eSports"?
 
CurlyW said:
It's the Entertainment & Sports Programming Network. Poker, eating contests, and spelling bees are not sports, but ESPN shows them anyway because they're entertainment.

Also, ESPN sucks. Why would you want video game competitions broadcast on it? If somehow Evo is ever broadcast on ESPN, they'll put Stephen A. Smith or Matt Millen on commentary and you'll start to think that Adam Sessler wasn't so bad after all.
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They all pale in comparison to Morigan "Manjaw" Webb
 
So, when I was googling for that Ultradavid article I came accross this thread made back when he made that other article about the differences between the fighting game community and the bigger RTS and MOBA communities: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294212

Some real gems in there. Makes for some funny reading during the occasional downtime on the speedrun stream. My favorite one so far:
"I agree that fighting games can never be under the tenet of eSports in general. 

It doesn't fall under the category of an "e-sport" which I define as a competitive activity that a significant number of people are able to appreciate as a spectator. 

Unlike RTS games, fighting games lack the strategical depth that makes a game "watchable". I've been playing fighting games for as long as I can remember, much longer than I have with RTSes; but I will never be able to appreciate watching a fighting game like I do with SC2. 

Breaking away from eSports would serve them well, I feel. Fighting game spectatorship is a much more niche community than that of other video games. Catering specifically to this niche group would serve their community much more effectively than trying to serve fighting games + other video games under an umbrella called eSports.

 Also, I sort of understand his pain of having "fighting game community" coming from very different backgrounds as compared to the RTS community. To make an extremely skewed exaggeration, the RTS community consists of the more "elitist" group of gamers who favour depth over action, and vice versa for the fighting gamers. It's sort of like a Jock vs Nerd high-school thing going on. Oil and water; it's hard to click."​
Sixfortyfive said:
It's not just the legal-related issues, either. (I think it's kind of obvious that that article was written at least partly as a justification for an opinion he already held; not that there's anything wrong with that or that he didn't make some really good points.) He just hates having to legitimize his hobby to people who don't care about that hobby by couching it in their terms.
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Yeah, now that you mention it he did sort of allude to that during that streamed interview the other day. You're right, that does seem to be more what he's trying to get at in his tweet. I gotta agree with him. I don't think we should have to pass ourselves off as "sports" to become a legitimate thing. It just seems kinda... lame, you know? Why can't we just be our own cool thing too without relying on the sports crutch?
 
El Sloth said:
So, when I was googling for that Ultradavid article I came accross this thread made back when he made that other article about the differences between the fighting game community and the bigger RTS and MOBA communities: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294212

Some real gems in there. Makes for some funny reading during the occasional downtime on the speedrun stream. My favorite one so far:
"I agree that fighting games can never be under the tenet of eSports in general. 

It doesn't fall under the category of an "e-sport" which I define as a competitive activity that a significant number of people are able to appreciate as a spectator. 

Unlike RTS games, fighting games lack the strategical depth that makes a game "watchable". I've been playing fighting games for as long as I can remember, much longer than I have with RTSes; but I will never be able to appreciate watching a fighting game like I do with SC2. 

Breaking away from eSports would serve them well, I feel. Fighting game spectatorship is a much more niche community than that of other video games. Catering specifically to this niche group would serve their community much more effectively than trying to serve fighting games + other video games under an umbrella called eSports.

 Also, I sort of understand his pain of having "fighting game community" coming from very different backgrounds as compared to the RTS community. To make an extremely skewed exaggeration, the RTS community consists of the more "elitist" group of gamers who favour depth over action, and vice versa for the fighting gamers. It's sort of like a Jock vs Nerd high-school thing going on. Oil and water; it's hard to click."​

Yeah, now that you mention it he did sort of allude to that during that streamed interview the other day. You're right, that does seem to be more what he's trying to get at in his tweet. I gotta agree with him. I don't think we should have to pass ourselves off as "sports" to become a legitimate thing. It just seems kinda... lame, you know? Why can't we just be our own cool thing too without relying on the sports crutch?
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LMFAO Really
 
Parallax Scroll said:
marvel minions have no attention span
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Riot Games wants LoL to be viewed as a 'sport' by the US government and in general, for business reasons(and maybe ideological reasons). They recently had a major success there by managing to secure those sports visas for LoL players.

The article is about all the complications and legal pitfalls that can(and some likely will) occur if the government's stance re: competitive video games becomes "they are sports".

Ultradavid thinks that if the government is going to get involved with competitive video gaming to provide benefits or regulation or whatever(and if they keep growing in popularity, the gov't is going to get involved guaranteed), being viewed as a "sport"/being bound by "sports" law terms when this happens is going to cause a lot of problems in the long run.

For examples, just read the thing.
 
El Sloth said:
So, when I was googling for that Ultradavid article I came accross this thread made back when he made that other article about the differences between the fighting game community and the bigger RTS and MOBA communities: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294212

Some real gems in there. Makes for some funny reading during the occasional downtime on the speedrun stream. My favorite one so far:
"I agree that fighting games can never be under the tenet of eSports in general. 

It doesn't fall under the category of an "e-sport" which I define as a competitive activity that a significant number of people are able to appreciate as a spectator. 

Unlike RTS games, fighting games lack the strategical depth that makes a game "watchable". I've been playing fighting games for as long as I can remember, much longer than I have with RTSes; but I will never be able to appreciate watching a fighting game like I do with SC2. 

Breaking away from eSports would serve them well, I feel. Fighting game spectatorship is a much more niche community than that of other video games. Catering specifically to this niche group would serve their community much more effectively than trying to serve fighting games + other video games under an umbrella called eSports.

 Also, I sort of understand his pain of having "fighting game community" coming from very different backgrounds as compared to the RTS community. To make an extremely skewed exaggeration, the RTS community consists of the more "elitist" group of gamers who favour depth over action, and vice versa for the fighting gamers. It's sort of like a Jock vs Nerd high-school thing going on. Oil and water; it's hard to click."​

Yeah, now that you mention it he did sort of allude to that during that streamed interview the other day. You're right, that does seem to be more what he's trying to get at in his tweet. I gotta agree with him. I don't think we should have to pass ourselves off as "sports" to become a legitimate thing. It just seems kinda... lame, you know? Why can't we just be our own cool thing too without relying on the sports crutch?
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fighting games aren't an esport cause everyone just mashes buttons
 
Smedwicks said:
All that dumb projectile spam makes it unwatchable compared to building pylons, obviously.
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Pylons > all

I'm kind of serious though. RTS/MOBA play is 10x more interesting to watch when you want to analyze it because there's just more strategic depth to it. There are more variables, more things to consider, decisions aren't a split-second thing, etc. Building pylons looks boring but it's about as boring as watching guys dance at each other the entire time in AE or two guys throwing fireballs in Marvel from across the screen (that isn't morrigan) until someone runs in with an attack.
 
the south florida stream is starting out and apparently a cpl of big names cross by often like FLOCKER:

The guy running said its goign to be a weekly thing THURSDAYS at 8pm est
 
Shouta said:
Pylons > all

I'm kind of serious though. RTS/MOBA play is 10x more interesting to watch when you want to analyze it because there's just more strategic depth to it. There are more variables, more things to consider, decisions aren't a split-second thing, etc. Building pylons looks boring but it's about as boring as watching guys dance at each other the entire time in AE or two guys throwing fireballs in Marvel from across the screen (that isn't morrigan) until someone runs in with an attack.
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I'm not gonna argue it cause I don't watch RTS/MOBA stuff. I just can't get into that type of stuff but then again I'm not into PC gaming like that
 
RellyRell28 said:
I'm not gonna argue it cause I don't watch RTS/MOBA stuff. I just can't get into that type of stuff but then again I'm not into PC gaming like that
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It can be somewhat YMMV, really. It depends on what you're watching something for. If you're looking for that type of analytical play and strategy, RTS/MOBA is as good as it gets in competitive gaming. FGs are far better for tension and comebacks because of the nature of it all. David's pretty into analyzing things and that would be why he finds those genres far more gratifying to spectate.
 
Okay now I'm watch a stream of someone speed running RE Code Veronica HD. He's using a Stick to play. Is this a thing to play that game with a stick or is this a skill that this player have
 
Shouta said:
Pylons > all

I'm kind of serious though. RTS/MOBA play is 10x more interesting to watch when you want to analyze it because there's just more strategic depth to it. There are more variables, more things to consider, decisions aren't a split-second thing, etc. Building pylons looks boring but it's about as boring as watching guys dance at each other the entire time in AE or two guys throwing fireballs in Marvel from across the screen (that isn't morrigan) until someone runs in with an attack.
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I can't get into RTS/MOBA play because the conflict is minimal compared to fighting games. They're a blast to play, but I can't enjoy them as a spectator. The heat just isn't there. Also, part of my enjoyment of spectating is watching the decisions people make. As a spectator for these games, I can only see part of what everyone does.
 
Split-second decisions, I think, are one of the few things that sets fighting games apart and makes them more exciting to watch than other genres of competitive games.
 
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