FEZ 2 (possibly?) cancelled | Aka: Phil Fish acts like a 5 year old on Twitter

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Going as far as having the Polytron twitter account announce it seems a bit much if it really is just a joke. If all we had to go on was that one Phil Fish tweet, then yeah, there's no doubt it would be a joke.
 
You know, Phil, some of us survive on Twitter just fine without getting constantly attacked and without throwing snit-fits all the time.

Might be a reason for that.
 
AHA-Lambda said:
Nope, Kamiya has this cult of personality on gaf for some reason, he's a prick too.

Admittedly, Fish is worse and Kamiya's games are better.
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If there's a difference, (and in my opinion, a pretty big difference), Kamiya has shown he can work in a team, and develop video games on a budget and on time. And he doesn't let outside influence like these twitter squabbles affect game development.

Phil Fish has shown to be rash, crude, fought with his team to the point where members have publicly quit, and has consistently allowed twitter and other types of media to effect game development to the point that they have canceled a game over a twitter fight.
 
Mature said:
Going as far as having the Polytron twitter account announce it seems a bit much if it really is just a joke. If all we had to go on was that one Phil Fish tweet, then yeah, there's no doubt it would be a joke.
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It doesn't have to be a joke for it to not be true.
 
SpaceDrake said:
You know, Phil, some of us survive on Twitter just fine without getting constantly attacked and without throwing snit-fits all the time.

Might be a reason for that.
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Yes, there might be a reason for that, and that's why it's important to have some semblance of tact and care when dealing with this kind of people. I speak from personal experience.
 
Read the Joystiq article and they said Fish responded to the email about Fez 2 being cancelled and he says it's true.

Beer Monkey said:
Did he ever release a 360 patch for Fez now that it's free? Or is he still giving the big FU to the fans that supported him?
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He said they are going to do one.
 
hawk2025 said:
Yes, there might be a reason for that, and that's why it's important to have some semblance of tact and care when dealing with this kind of people. I speak from personal experience.
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Admittedly once you reach a certain level it's definitely possible to get crazies attacking you, but as said there's usually a reason, and better it be making a game some people didn't like or you had passionate fans that set off other people than because you had to constantly say inflammatory stuff.
 
FEZ 2 isn't canceled. Phil Fish says stuff on Twitter, people taking the things he says on Twitter and making a big deal out of it is always stupid.
 
I'm glad this guy quit his job. He makes jokes on twitter.com! And he said Japanese games are no good. Who does this clown think he is?
 
Burt said:
Well, at least someone gets it.
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Oh please. He wishes he was anywhere close to Kaufmann.

The only way I would actually respect him is if he didn't produce Fez 2. If he's doing this all for publicity then he's just as bad as the media he claims to decry.
 
animlboogy said:
Heh... nope. Being insincere and being a brilliant satirist/prankster are two very different things. There is nothing funny, witty, or illuminating about what Phil Fish does in public. He throws tantrums and hides behind the veil of "not being serious". He comes off as completely serious, tends to only make jokes at the expense of others or vent pure frustration. It's an insult to Kaufman to compare the two.
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Animlboogy put it far more eloquently than I could have.
 
If for some illogical reason this is true. It's a shame. I liked FEZ. It was quirky. And I was looking forward to his next game, no matter what I thought about him as a person.

That said, I still think he is playing you all.
 
I genuinely hope Phil finds a therapist to help him deal with the constant stream of bile he gets everyday (not by Marcus, by the internet). He acquired an audience, made some poorly thought out statements about thing people like, and has become someone who is 'cool to hate' on the internet. He has voiced multiple times how he is hurt by this situation, but he must understand it's not going to go away if he continues to act like he does. It is how the internet works.

He must either accept this and learn how to not let the comments get to him, or dial down his act/move away from twitter entirely. Either option will do; his current way of handling things simply does not seem like it's good for his mental health.

PaulExcellent said:
Wait, was FEZ 2 even announced, or teased, or something?

Seriously, FEZ was way good.
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Yes, at an indie event during E3.

I do think the cancellation is a joke (or that Phil will change his mind anyway), but if it's true I'm going to be very pissed at the internet.
 
Man, I'm right there with people who think Phil overreacts and takes things a little too far sometimes, but it must be pretty shitty having to live your life knowing that anything you say will be picked up by a journalist and used for some kind of story (usually something that is an attack on your character). Yes, Phil and John are game devs and part of a huge industry with fans and commentators but when you get called out for every little thing you say to the press, it's no surprise you would have a breakdown at some point.

I think it sucks that anyone could lose their drive to create what they want and live the way they want because some people just won't leave them alone. People will laugh and be happy about this because they don't like Phil, but I think this whole situation is bad for indie gaming and gamers in general. It's never good when someone wants to leave game development, especially when they have actually made a (at the very least) a decent game.
 
I don't think it's a joke. Fish's behavior online sort of contradicts that theory. It's not particularly amusing and only serves to send a negative message to his followers while making him out to be a fool to everybody else. He should probably just abandon his twitter instead of locking it.
 
I like Phil. Someone was attacking his personal life, which I consider off bounds whether Phil's a dick or not. As for the Annoyed Gamer argument my advice to Phil would be to do what I do and just ignore him :)
 
As someone who regularly imbibes a bit to much of the cheaper gas station elixirs then takes to FB, Twitter, YT, Fark, NeoGaf, reddit, etc. to rant and rave, this thread is super entertaining.
 
This really sucks.. I would have loved a Fez 2. At least the soundtrack would probably be incredible. Hope he comes back and just works on the game. Twitter's just a bad idea for someone like Fish.
 
I know this would never happen, but we should all just ignore the guy. No threads, no tweets, nothing.

Personally, I think the guy is pretty smart and has a vision. However, you just can't act so immaturely and with no regard for your fans when you're an indie developer. Really, you shouldn't be doing it at any point, even when you're AAA. Cliff kind of does it for instance, but it's obvious he's joking most of the time anyway, so maybe that's not even a good comparison. Fez was great, and I have no doubt Fez 2 will be great too.
And while yes, people will still buy this assholes game, I think his attitude and lack of maturity will catch up to him in a different way, ala not being signed onto a big developer.
Jon Blow on the other hand I think gets way more flak than he deserves. Not saying he doesn't come off as pretentious sometimes either, but for him I think it's more just trying to stay super true to his visions and wanting people to "get" his thinking.
 
It's an age old debate, but if you want to have the privilege of being in the spot light you need to be able to take the heat.

He would be left alone, perhaps even forgot about if he kept to himself. He's acutely aware of his position, having admitted on the Giant Bomb stream that he knows when people are pissed off, he is probably doing something meaningful. If that is his barometer for success then mission accomplished.

gj Kotaku on the breakdown.
 
I don't have much of a problem with Phil Fish and Jon Blow. They don't have to comment on things if they don't want to. Reading the story about Fez II being cancelled, a story actually references not being able to find more information for why it was cancelled because Phil's Twitter account was closed.

Investigation on video game news stories consist of re-posting ideas that could be easily learned by random browsing of people's Twitter pages. That's what a reporter's job is?

I have never even played Fez, but I hope Phil is okay. Just for his sake.
 
greycolumbus said:
I don't think it's a joke. Fish's behavior online sort of contradicts that theory. It's not particularly amusing and only serves to send a negative message to his followers while making him out to be a fool to everybody else. He should probably just abandon his twitter instead of locking it.
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Exactly. "Some people don't like me, so I'm going to hurt the only people who maybe do still like me even a little bit."

Real fucking smart.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
Fish strikes me as person who might me manic depressive. I remember in Indie Game The Movie he was asked at some point something along the lines of what would happen if he didn't finish Fez and he said he'd kill himself like completely non-jokingly. He seems to be one of those guys that has become a victim of his own success. By all accounts, the development of Fez was a nightmare and took a toll on him. I can't imagine the idea of making Fez 2 sounds like a fun idea for him. He went from just a regular dude one day to some indie darling overnight. I imagine it's hard to go from a regular person to being instantly kind of famous in the indie game scene overnight and all the baggage that goes along with it. That being said, he really does seem like a guy that takes criticism really, really hard, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if he's manic or has bi-polar or something. My opinion of the guy is that you might not like his personality or some of the things he's said, but we should judge him by the games he makes not his personality. I feel like sometimes we attribute traits to these people that we have never met and that narrative sort of becomes fact on the internet like when people call Fish an asshole or Blow a pretentious hipster. In all fairness they might be, but I've never met them in real life.
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I agree with this. Twitter has really skewed the way people judge people
 
animlboogy said:
He definitely needs some help with his mental health situation. I get the impression from your post that you're implying that this began with him insulting Japanese games. Not true. This guy has long had a reputation for instability, and has spent years burning bridges in various communities. You can watch Indie Game: The Movie for a pretty direct look into how he handles life. The man is incapable of not presenting himself as a victim while simultaneously being aggressive.
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Oh, my bad, I had always assumed the comment on Japanese games was what started all this.
 
So, i don't understand what some people here want from gaming media.

Joystiq saw his twitter. And the Polytron twitter. And then sent a e-mail asking for confirmation, and he did confirm it. Joystiq should NOT published this as news? Why?

What more they need before publishing it? Wait for 6 months to see if its true? Wait for 2 months?

They just did their job. If phil is joking, well, its his problem. This is not the same case as "news site see twitter and publish it". They did what is expected from then to do: tried to get a direct confirmation.
 
For what it's worth, I definitely think he's serious about it. Of course, he might calm down in the next days and continue development, but right now he's sick of it.

Regardless if it is his own fault or not, I can understand him. I wouldn't want to be in his skin, quite honestly. Having released an acclaimed and well-selling game is a nice thing, but since a year he's the enemy number 1 of the gaming community. Again, I don't care if it his own fault, but being insulted countless times a day is something that's hard to stomach. If making games makes you depressive, it's quite simply not worth it.
 
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