Locking his Twitter account is probably the best decision he's ever made for himself and his studio. I can't imagine one podcast would've drove him to cancel Fez 2... my guess is likely on hiatus for awhile until he checks himself out mentally. And if he's not kidding, then oh well, I was never going to play his games anyway. Hopefully, he can get some help though if he actually is going through a mental breakdown. And of course, if he's trolling, then it's like the boy who cried wolf and he should be ignored and not waste anyone's time.
FEZ 2 (possibly?) cancelled | Aka: Phil Fish acts like a 5 year old on Twitter
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Doug Heffernan
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Fish be trolling yall.
DarkLordMalik
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Well, that's that.
Miles Quaritch
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Oh dear. He's taking this pretty far isn't he with all confirming to sites that it's cancelled.
YianGaruga
Banned
Everyone loses in this.
More people hate Phil Fish.
People who liked Phil Fish hate @AnnoyedGamer.
I won't get to play FEZ 2.
Kind of sucks.
More people hate Phil Fish.
People who liked Phil Fish hate @AnnoyedGamer.
I won't get to play FEZ 2.
Kind of sucks.
Anyone who has watched Indie Game the Movie would probably more describe him as Bipolar or manic depressive.
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
A locked account is worthless if it's followed by more than 30.000 users.
Riposte
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I've said it plenty of times now, but Kamiya acts childish in an endearing way and Fish acts childish in an annoying way. Basically two sides of a coin. While the former is free-spirited and has little restraint for telling off guests of his personal internet hangout, the latter is bitter, resentful, and prone to tantrums. People don't see this though and just assume other people only like Kamiya just because he is Japanese or something.
Skull Leader
Banned
If you can't take the heat, you should probably not go tell people to kill themselves on a public forum. Or be an asshole in public, in general.
This goes doubly if you are a successful individual. Once you're a public success story, you absolutely must watch how you present yourself, lest you say and do things you later will regret. I've always felt Phil was a petulant person, but I never thought so lowly of him to think that he'd sink to the level of YouTube idiocy and tell someone to kill themselves over a Twitter spat.
Videogames will survive the cancellation of Fez 2, and Phil Fish's unique insight on videogame companies (that of an angry independent asshole) will surely be inherited by someone else. We gamers are good a producing such personalities, they aren't exactly rare.
Ronan_Berthelot
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I hope Fez 1 Xbox update isn't cancelled (again)
It is honestly making me upset that a person that may have a serious mental disorder is being derided throughout the internet.
I understand why it's happening, but it makes me upset nonetheless. Perhaps it hits a little too close to home for me to be objective on this. I do not blame him at all if, for his own personal sanity, he did decide to simply stop, and get out of all of this for good.
Again, not defending the over the top tweets. Just commenting on everything else.
I understand why it's happening, but it makes me upset nonetheless. Perhaps it hits a little too close to home for me to be objective on this. I do not blame him at all if, for his own personal sanity, he did decide to simply stop, and get out of all of this for good.
Again, not defending the over the top tweets. Just commenting on everything else.
I wouldn't be surpised if he regarded game development as a means to relax, something that kind of gave peace to his mind. It's easy to see why this might not be the case anymore.
What does he wanna do, start working for EA??
i checked his profile and it's a "parody account". Fish should've ignored or blocked it.
I assume people want them to do more than just an e-mail where Fish's tone and any facial expressions cannot be seen/heard. So a phone call or an actual in-person question would be a better way to get the "truth" than an e-mail where he can flatly say, "It's true" and be taken seriously when he could be just pulling an act.
yup
get the fuck outta here with this
OSC wrote Ender's Game, an achievement orders of magnitude more worthy of praise than making a shitty action game, yet book readers who enjoyed Ender's Game don't feel the need to defend OSC's disgusting views and opinions. People who think Kamiya's moronic behavior may be excused because they are fans of the dipshit's games are the absolute worst kind of obsessive fanboys.
YianGaruga
Banned
This is how you report on this. Thanks Destructoid.
http://www.destructoid.com/phil-fish-has-meltdown-on-twitter-rashly-cancels-fez-ii-258869.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/phil-fish-has-meltdown-on-twitter-rashly-cancels-fez-ii-258869.phtml
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Watched that Invisible Walls thing in the OP thread link. Why are two guys with a strong passion for their art and craft, doing things their own way with a strong, personal philosophy on game design labeled hipsters and whiny assholes by someone who talks shit for a living and opines a personal philosophy without practicing it? It's like a jock calling a smart kid a nerd, or a kid in art class a weirdo.
Why can't I handle all this truth?
NaughtyCalibur
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Wait, is that Andy Kaufman as his Twitter photo?
This is probably the game industry equivalent of the Kaufman/Lawler feud. Not even going to take this seriously. Fish is a real life troll confirmed.
This is probably the game industry equivalent of the Kaufman/Lawler feud. Not even going to take this seriously. Fish is a real life troll confirmed.
OneEightZero
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ElectricBlue187
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Mission Accomplished
Snapshot King
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Wow. I wasn't aware that being snarky on twitter is comparable to a longstanding campaign against the rights of homosexuals and the attempt at eroding their civil rights. Way to pump up the jam there eh?
BananasWithGuns
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You know, I really like Phil Fish. I think he's a great game designer. I absolutely loved Fez. I honestly believe he could have a sparkling future in the industry.
With that said, this guy just seems incredibly unstable (though that goes without saying I guess). I like developers that can give back what they get in terms of trolling and vitriol but this guy tends to take stuff way too personally and it's like his mental makeup can't handle it.
Whatever his issues are, I hope he gets them figured out. I still think he's a decent guy but the shit he pulls only hurts his public image even more. Either way, I'm still looking forward to Fez 2 and I hope Phil can get his head on straight and move past some of this stuff.
With that said, this guy just seems incredibly unstable (though that goes without saying I guess). I like developers that can give back what they get in terms of trolling and vitriol but this guy tends to take stuff way too personally and it's like his mental makeup can't handle it.
Whatever his issues are, I hope he gets them figured out. I still think he's a decent guy but the shit he pulls only hurts his public image even more. Either way, I'm still looking forward to Fez 2 and I hope Phil can get his head on straight and move past some of this stuff.
Marcus beer's claim to fame getting Fez 2 cancelled lol. There's something really funny about Phill being upset about journalists parroting each other and asking for comments and now having to deal with a thousand questions about fez 2 being cancelled, oh the dramas also brace yourself for this being neogafs fault we get the blame for everything 
Yeah, I do agree that the press was undeserving of being berated when asking for a comment and just going about business as usual. Phil and Jon definitely could have been more considerate to the actual journalists asking for their opinion.
But one thing they did was criticize games journalism in general and didn't call out any one outlet. They attacked the idea of getting comments on rumors and publishing tweets as news whereas the press personally attacks Phil and Jon. The "press" in this case being Marcus Beer.
To defend him a little, "compare your life to mine and then kill yourself" is a quote from Futurama. He likely thought of the phrase as harmless and didn't expect so many people to not understand the reference / not finding the reference funny or light-hearted.
I belong to the "Fish might be suffering from mental issues" side of things, so I think he didn't quite deserve all of the shit that got thrown at him during the last year. I belong to the people who lost any interest in buying Fez after his Japan comments a year back (and I still haven't played or bought it), but with all the things that happened in the last year, I think it's likely that he's actually sick and can't be made quite responsible his tactless behavior.
Visualante2
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I think you raise an excellent point there.
From my POV Fish is a product of his environment. One part sensationalist press, giving him the platform and the matches, and one part victim of persistently abusive gamers, normalising the type of language that he is now using in retaliation.
The holier than thou stuff needs to stop on both sides of the fence because for many of us, we're all fucking guilty.
Syphon Filter
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how do you know if he is serious about fez 2 cancelled?
They both sling insults without any indicators of jest like emoticons or "jk," so there's really no way to assign traits like "free-spirited" to one and "bitter" to another. It's more likely that you're assigning these according to whom you favor.
Excellent.
Mr. Enigma
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Yet another example of Phil Fish being a manchild douchebag.
I was more commenting on the VG 24/7 article that pretty much said "we can't find a reason why, because he shut down his Twitter. I guess we'll have to wait." Saying that as if that is the full extent of journalistic investigations on their site.
Skull Leader
Banned
Being an asshole is not a mental illness. It's 'being an asshole'. Unless we absolutely know for certain that he does have a problem, it's not our responsibility to defend him based on those grounds. If he wanted to be left alone then he wouldn't have acted like a huge asshole. How hard would it have been to say "No comment at this time" when he was originally asked for his opinion on MS's new policies?
Instead, he cries how the media is after him, and people are being mean. Then he mockingly posts his opinion on Twitter, and when he's called out for being a raging asshole (which there are multiple known public instances of him acting as such) he takes his ball and goes home, crying about how mean people are to him. My heart fucking BLEEDS for the rich man with hurt feelings ;_;
Secret Fawful
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"Marcus Beer was being an ass. Phil Fish didn't want to comment on a rumor and wanted the press to actually report on facts rather than grabbing headlines with pullquotes, and Beer responds by calling him a hipster and a tosspot who made a shit game and should be grateful for any amount of exposure because he hasn't done anything of value.
I'm not going to say the Fish reaction put him on the high ground because it didn't, but there's a nasty double standard involved whereby it's not considered at all unacceptable to call Phil Fish every nasty name in the book 24/7 from every direction known to Man, and that shouldn't be okay either." Impressions by a friend of mine I agree with. I support Phil Fish, and I can't say what I think of people who dislike him and trash him on here.
I'm not going to say the Fish reaction put him on the high ground because it didn't, but there's a nasty double standard involved whereby it's not considered at all unacceptable to call Phil Fish every nasty name in the book 24/7 from every direction known to Man, and that shouldn't be okay either." Impressions by a friend of mine I agree with. I support Phil Fish, and I can't say what I think of people who dislike him and trash him on here.
ArtHands
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He could laugh all his want but he's going to lose the sales of people who are pissed with the lie, as well as people who have decided to get other game after they discovered that this game is "cancelled".
Losing these sales in exchange for the empty self-ego stroking is pretty stupid imo. Of cause he's not going to see that.
So long, and thanks for all the Fish.
This and "Beer battered Fish" are the only two clever things to come out of this entire embarrassing situation.
Regardless of this particular situation -- It absolutely IS our responsibility to have tact and care around people who may have mental illnesses.
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