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[JetBlackPanda]

Phil seems like the kind of person that should be creating games inside the protection of a company. Him being THE poster child for his own game seems to have driven him crazy. He should probably make his next game under a pen name.

Fhill pish might work?

 

[OldAsUrSock]

I never got FEZ because of his attitude.

 

[Cth]

Still need to get around to playing FEZ one day.

Anyways his avatar choice would be amusing if he returns.

 

[Lunzio]

Because they had treatment and Fish probably hasn't? The fact that you just posted a list of rich people with a mental disorder means that they have gone treatment and know how to deal with it, or just have someone that prevents them from having public meltdowns.

Sadly, I don't think a lot of people understand the pure anguish of those with mental illness. It's honestly a topic that truly has to be explored around here.

 

[Skull Leader]

Everyone and their mother loves attention, but like I said, apparently in this industry you gotta be hush hush and like everything, otherwise you're MONSTER PHIL FISH WHO HAS OPINIONS OMG

He's not a monster, he just kinda told someone to kill themselves after being an asshole over a request for a quote. Also, something about dicks, and choking on them.

 

[Delusibeta]

Ah, so two blowhards said stupid ill-informed things on the internet, and one stormed off in a huff. Here's Tom with the weather.

Number of shits given: zero.

 

[Kinyou]

Because they had treatment and Fish probably hasn't? The fact that you just posted a list of rich people with a mental disorder means that they have gone treatment and know how to deal with it, or just have someone that prevents them from having public meltdowns.

They were probably also bi-polar before they got rich

 

[Dunkers92]

Sounds like you have no idea how mental illnesses work.
"At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult."

Sure thing. I'll just fix my malfunctioning brain right now because you said so.

This. There are some classic "if you have a mental illness, deal with it, it's not difficult" kind of responses in this thread.

People find it hard to comprehend how much mental illness actually affects you as a person, especially bi polar. You can't simply "man up"

 

[HT UK]

This will be as genuine as the typical pro-wrestling 'retirement.' Maybe he'll come back as a face.

 

[nib95]

Spare me the indignation. Someone with bipolar was huge part of my life and I know of the situation explicitly. You are trying to create an impenetrable bubble around Fish through self-righteousness, but it is far too late for that.

Unrelated to Fish, just because you know or knew someone who is bipolar, does not mean you know exactly how it works or are necessarily sympathetic to it.

It's like when people assume they can't be racist because they have black (or whatever other race) friends lol. It doest work like that.

 

[Rebel Leader]

What he needs to do is come back.. either masked or have some guy pretend to be the maker of the game.

Make a new game have all good press, get rave reviews. Then jump on stage and be like BOOYYAAA FUCKERS IT WAS ME ALL ALONG SUCK MY DICK AGAIN!

Would be classic.

 

[jett]

He actually has mental health issues?

Anyone who constantly reacts in this manner is not right in the head.

 

[razoftblend]

"abuse?" I haven't played any of his games, but even I know he's been a d**k on the Internet. Slashing at others and making a bad impression on the international community is entirely his fault.

The question is, what is he going to do now? From what I know, he's not a writer or anything. Cutting the game industry over something he created will come back to bite him really hard someday.

 

[The_Monk]

I'm still trying to catch up since the thread is moving fast.

I really hope he does not to something drastic to himself, that would be the worst. We all are going to find rude, cold people in the internet that is no surprise. It seems he had some trouble ignoring all the negativism towards him so that will never help him, however he's still a person and I'm worried he might do something... bad.

We, as a Community have the power to make some things change, for good or bad. In case something that can be done to help in any way appears I'm hoping we, as a Community can help him somehow.

I never played FEZ, I only watched Indie game the Movie and saw some of his tweets. While I do not agree the way he talks to people most of the time, I'm in no position to judge. I never judge others. It's just not in my nature.

PS: Sorry for my poor/lazy english, just trying to contribute somehow fellow GAFfers.

 

[Brofield]

See, among twitter personalities that piss me off, I'm putting Marcus Beer in with Gies and Orth.

Yes, a boar will rampage regardless, but there's no need to aggravate it any further. Beer's the asshole here as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Warm Machine]

You know what he could do?

Pull the fucking plug on his twitter, facebook, and other social media accounts and disappear from the public. Work on whatever game he likes and then re-appear when everyone has forgotten about shit he has done or said. He needs a time out from the noise.

 

[Lunzio]

Because they had treatment and Fish probably hasn't? The fact that you just posted a list of rich people with a mental disorder means that they have gone treatment and know how to deal with it, or just have someone that prevents them from having public meltdowns.

You can't control it fully, but there are moments where you snap out of it, in a sense. Also, during those periods of depression, you know exactly what you are doing, You don't black out.

Fish had a chance to end his tirades on Twitter by just leaving it. It's not like he's incapable of shutting it down.

Have you ever had bi-polar disorder? Please, I don't mean this to be attacking at all, but do some research. You don't "snap out of" mental illnesses.

 

[Caerith]

It doesn't give him a free pass on saying his vitriol. It means that people should be looking at him in a new light, and the hate is STILL ridiculous.

By "look at in a new light" you mean "give a free pass"?

 

[BuggyDClown]

He had a considerable amount of stress and pressure put on him, so I hardly blame him for telling certain people to suck it given the abuse.

When you act like a jackass, you shouldn't expect others to treat you differently.

Also can we stop assuming he has a mental illness. Some people are just punks.

 

[Salsa]

He's not a monster, he just kinda told someone to kill themselves after being an asshole over a request for a quote. Also, something about dicks, and choking on them.

dude's just a guy, people think he needs to act a certain way because he's known and he just kept acting as random internet guy. In my experience it was more refreshing and real that reading a bunch of bullshit responses about everything that are produced to keep everyone happy, because if he said something I dont agree with? I carry on with my life and dont give a shit. He's just a fucking dude, that is not me, why should I be enraged by the stuff he says? I get a lot more disturbed by how fake everyone else is

 

[smr00]

Because they had treatment and Fish probably hasn't? The fact that you just posted a list of rich people with a mental disorder means that they have gone treatment and know how to deal with it, or just have someone that prevents them from having public meltdowns.

Don't act like he's some homeless person who has absolutely no means of getting it.

Fish has the means to get help and medication.

 

[amr]

Another proud moment for gamers.

If you're celebrating this...well, I'd insult you, but sociopaths don't give a shit when you tell them they're a jerk. They just laugh.

 

[metalslimer]

Sadly, I don't think a lot of people understand the pure anguish of those with mental illness. It's honestly a topic that truly has to be explored around here.

And im sure people would be much more forgiving if the guy said he was sorry for his manic moods and was seeking help. Instead he continues to antagonize everyone.

 

[McBradders]

Really sad and unfortunate. I liked FEZ a lot and admire Fish's vision and passion. If this sticks then it's a bummer to be sure, everyone loses.

 

[Tellaerin]

did you watch the indie game the movie special edition that just came out? there's a whole thing regarding phil's like of attention that is pretty interesting

he basically gets asked about what's up with everything he says being turned into a headline, and he laughs and says "I kinda dig it", cause they know people are listening. He says It's a shame that it's bad but it's great to know that people care about what you say and pay attention

and both edmund and tommy from team meat in commentary say that shit is so relatable. That pretty much everyone likes that, but they won't admit it, cause then the phil fish shitfest happens. I really dont see the issue with the dude being dead honest about loving attention. Everyone and their mother loves attention, but like I said, apparently in this industry you gotta be hush hush and like everything, otherwise you're MONSTER PHIL FISH WHO HAS OPINIONS OMG

You've gotta draw a distinction between liking attention and being an attention whore, though. The first is understandable. The second, not so much. Especially when it looks like you're going out of your way to try and generate controversy just to get yourself on peoples' radar. That's how Phil Fish comes off to me with some of the things he says and does.

 

[Gbraga]

This is the worst possible idea, because he apparently cannot stand being confronted with the truth, and he'd get a lot of it here. You cultivate a combative personality over the course of years, you will be responded to accordingly.

I feel like NeoGAF can be pretty understanding, all things considered. He'll get a lot of "hate", but he'll get that anywhere, but here people will talk to him about what's hurting him as well, some times talking about it helps a lot, and he may find people who went through similar stuff around here.

He'll be confronted, that's for sure, but I'm pretty sure it won't be even 10% as bad as what he's used to get from twitter since you'll get easily banned here if you go too far, which won't happen on twitter.

 

[-PXG-]

Abuse? Get the fuck over yourself. God damn drama queen.

He'll be back....watch.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Sadly, I don't think a lot of people understand the pure anguish of those with mental illness. It's honestly a topic that truly has to be explored around here.

You have no idea. There's a depression thread here and it's amazing that people entered the thread and just said "deal with it".

So to the people saying that you can't use mental problem card: you're part of the fucking problem.

 

[Wilsongt]

He's coming off a bit... whiny.

 

[Secret Fawful]

This. There are some classic "if you have a mental illness, deal with it, it's not difficult" kind of responses in this thread.

People find it hard to comprehend how much mental illness actually affects you as a person, especially bi polar. You can't simply "man up"

That's okay, it'll continue to be justified away, because it's Phil Fish.

 

[YianGaruga]

Spare me the indignation. Someone with bipolar was huge part of my life and I know of the situation explicitly. You are trying to create an impenetrable bubble around Fish through self-righteousness, but it is far too late for that.

My comment was relatively unrelated to Phil Fish and more directed at your depiction of mental illness. It's not something that makes him unnacountable, but needs to be considered when judging him.

You can't "handle like an adult" when it happens. It's not under your control. AT ALL. You should know that.

 

[njean777]

I think it warrants discussion.

I don't know where he has specifically stated such a claim... but I'd believe it in a heartbeat.

The whole situation screams bi-polar disorder. This is not something a person can just control.

He needs to certainly be accountable for his actions, however, it's cruel to attack somebody as clearly emotionally unstable as him. It may sound ridiculous, but this kind of vitriol is what fuels suicide. I wouldn't be surprised we hear about something like this about Fish in a few months if all of this hate continues.

Let's just leave the guy be.

It is easy to just disconnect and make games in peace, leave twitter, shut down your blog, and go incognito to post art or whatever. Not hard to do, when you are a combative asshole to people then expect that kind of behavior back. I have no sympathy for him, if he wants to be treated the way he acts then he is getting exactly that.

 

[illmatic19]

Ugh this industry is the worst. I'm glad I'm not involved in it.

 

[Skull Leader]

dude's just a guy, people think he needs to act a certain way because he's known and he just kept acting as random internet guy. In my experience it was more refreshing and real that reading a bunch of bullshit responses about everything that are produced to keep everyone happy, because if he said something I dont agree with? I carry on with my life and dont give a shit. He's just a fucking dude, that is not me, why should I be enraged by the stuff he says?

You don't have to be enraged, but if I told you to kill yourself, and get raped by a sentient cactus, while bragging about how awesome I am and how nobody else will ever be like me, you don't understand how others could possible see that as a bit tiresome?

 

[hoos30]

And twitter claims another victim...

Instead of getting fired, this one just stressed himself out.

 

[Roto13]

See, among twitter personalities that piss me off, I'm putting Marcus Beer in with Gies and Orth.

Yes, a boar will rampage regardless, but there's no need to aggravate it any further. Beer's the asshole here as far as I'm concerned.

Not every conflict has a non-asshole side.

 

[RobbieNick]

Also this means the trolls win which sucks

you mean the troll lost. All people did was respond to his own, stupid bullshit he posted. If he didn't act like a Goddamned grade schooler all the time, this would be a non-issue.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Out of all of this, I suddenly feel bad for John now. Now he's going to be harassed to comment on Phil's big departure and if he doesn't answer...well then....

To think this madness all started with Microsoft. Wow......

 

[Velkyn]

Phil seems like the kind of person that should be creating games inside the protection of a company. Him being THE poster child for his own game seems to have driven him crazy. He should probably make his next game under a pen name.

Fhill pish might work?

Phil Fish is already a pen name. His name is Philippe Poisson, IIRC.

 

[smr00]

Another proud moment for gamers.

If you're celebrating this...well, I'd insult you, but sociopaths don't give a shit when you tell them they're a jerk. They just laugh.

So it's our fault as gamers because a mentally unstable person can't deal with internet bullshit? Makes sense.

Everyone famous person or semi-famous person across every single medium gets attacks by lunatics but do they all quit? Michael Bay is still making movies yet has thousands bashing him every single day online. The guy needs to learn how to not give a fuck.

 

[usea]

Phil Fish is the victim of some pretty intense bullying, and a lot of people here seem to revel in that fact. Many are engaging in victim blaming. I suppose some of you feel that making a video game means you should be held to a higher standard than other people for some reason?

Clearly the guy is emotional and a bit unhinged. Is that also a good reason for people to mistreat him? Do you actually want people to suffer because they weren't polite to bullies?

Here are some tweets by Sophie Houlden

 

[MormaPope]

Ugh this industry is the worst. I'm glad I'm not involved in it.

Uh, being a consumer of games makes you part of this industry. The two biggest parts of any industry are the creators and consumers.

 

[Almighty]

So why the fuck is staying off twitter and what not not an option for him? There are plenty of developers that stay out of the limelight. Is making games and from what I can tell making a bucket load of money from those games not enough to stay off twitter and avoid running his mouth for?

I haven't paid him much attention so maybe I am wrong, but this sounds like he wants the spotlight, but only when it suits him. Well sorry it doesn't work that way. Doesn't help that every few months I hear about another stupid comment and argument he has got into.

Well good bye Phil Fish I guess.

Spoiler

Though it wouldn't surprise me if he comes back in the future and tries to write this off as a joke. Once he realizes that the grass isn't greener on the other side.

 

[Gbraga]

If he's serious with this shit, he has the mentality of a 12 year old.

If he's not serious and this is all a stunt, he has the mentality of a 12 year old.

ok that was good lol

 

[op_ivy]

Another proud moment for gamers.

If you're celebrating this...well, I'd insult you, but sociopaths don't give a shit when you tell them they're a jerk. They just laugh.

hahaha

 

[Roto13]

Phil Fish is already a pen name. His name is Philippe Poisson, IIRC.

Which is French for Phil Fish.

 

[RadarScope1]

Or he could just quit Twitter and cut down on media interviews instead.

I like Fish, despite the attitude. And I adored Fez. But this is just dumb. For the first time, I'm feeling the hate. But I always liked the guy until now.

 

[DracoBlade]

Both are being drama queens, how unprofessional. Though IMO Fish is overreacting, criticism is a part, a necessity really of all mediums in order to illuminate flaws and hopefully correct/improve upon such faults. They're both at fault. Kiss and make up or get over it.

#dealwithit

 

[Kyuur]

dude's just a guy, people think he needs to act a certain way because he's known and he just kept acting as random internet guy. In my experience it was more refreshing and real that reading a bunch of bullshit responses about everything that are produced to keep everyone happy, because if he said something I dont agree with? I carry on with my life and dont give a shit. He's just a fucking dude, that is not me, why should I be enraged by the stuff he says? I get a lot more disturbed by how fake everyone else is

I am glad there are some sensible human beings on NeoGAF. I really am.

Every time these threads come up I can't fathom the amount of hate.

 

[soulassssns]

He'll be back.

He craves the drama

Spot on