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[Andrew Korenchkin]

So what is the picture?

 

[AppleSmack]

see

I'm happy to see you confirm that you were actively harassing him on twitter through that dumbass justification attempt just now.

 

[SSM25]

Oh wow, I'm watching the indie documentary for the first time right now.. I got this feeling this guy has issues..

Then this...

 

[Riposte]

Yes, Phil Fish has bipolar.

Being bipolar doesn't excuse you from your actions, especially if you know you have it (assuming you are not self-diagnosing yourself to appear sympathetic, something attention-seekers love doing). Moreover, you are not entitled to the patience of others and more so of those over the internet. At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult. If that includes quitting twitter, so be it. That is sound advice for everyone who loses their shit on twitter, be it Amanda Bynes or Phil Fish.

This Phil Fish martyr stuff is getting a little crazy, though.


EDIT: It can't be made anymore painfully obvious how different Phil Fish and Hideki Kamiya are just by looking at the quote above. Trending on twitter is his way to get back at people he thinks are obsessed with him. The guy's resentment is palpable.

 

[SirNinja]

and all because of overreacting gamers, such a shame

Swing and a miss.

 

[Oersted]

He needs a girlfriend, help, a good friend, someone who tells him to stop. Being bi-polar is terrible, but there are ways to handle it better.

 

[soulassssns]

If he loves games he'll calm down and carry on . I just hope he identifies the problems that make him so upset and angry before coming back.

It'd be a shame for him and the industry for this to truly be it.

Agreed

 

[Gbraga]

I am kind of sincerely worried that the next thing we hear about Phil Fish is that he was found dead in his apartment, though. He says he's leaving video games and in the past he has said that making games is all he's good for.

Yeah, kinda makes me worried too. Seriously, someone bring him here.

 

[bronzeP]

I'll give a polite response if I feel something warrants it, but for the most part, no, I don't. A lot of these people are my customers, and they can think what they want. Far be it from me to criticize them for it.

My first game contains a myriad of pun/jokes, including the following:

Item: Polish Remover
Description:

Spoiler

Hitler

A Polish newspaper got wind of this, and ran it along with my website, E-mail address, and Twitter handle. I obviously received hundreds, if not thousands, of hate mail. Even a few phone calls.

I ignored them all.

What was lashing out going to do? What was insulting people going to do? I couldn't change their minds, and they couldn't change mine. I remained silent. It blew over.

PR, man.

Wow


I doubt that I will miss you.

 

[Treythalomew]

Oh man the tweet about him trending worldwide is exactly why he does this stuff. He loves the attention and he's not just going to fade away and work at a bank. He's going to either try to join the media in order to "fix it" or he's going to try to join another indie dev so he can avoid the burden of being so responsible for another game.

 

[BocoDragon]

What a drama queen.

 

[imBask]

I'm happy to see you confirm that you were actively harassing him on twitter through that dumbass justification attempt just now.

lol no, I never followed him for obvious reasons. I don't give a damn about Phil Fish or Fez, i'm pointing the attitude problem

 

[Quicksilver4648]

You realize software engineering and general design skills are incredibly highly valued in the industry at large? Game programming can be applied and considered "qualification" for 6 figures position at google. It is known as one of the most complicated software work for a reason. He will make far more money in any industry he goes to than he would staying as a game developer.

Oh, I don't doubt a single thing you typed. However, from my understanding he left he industry because of the stress, not because of the pay. Meaning: If he felt stressed out and annoyed as an independent video game developer then I fail to see how working as a software developer for some corporation is less stressful. He will be limited on creative control, he can't set his hours, and in general someone else will be in control of his responsibilities. But maybe that will be the best for him. Maybe being in charge of so much for so long was too much for him.

 

[Foffy]

Fish's biggest problem is his ego. Being hostile to others and then getting mad when there are those hostile at you is a loop with no end. The only way for it to end is to not be hostile, or walk away.

Wow


I doubt that I will miss you.

I doubt you'd probably play his games, to be fair.

 

[Xbudz]

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse you from your actions, especially if you know you have it (assuming you are not self-diagnosing yourself to appear sympathetic, something attention-seekers love doing). Moreover, you are not entitled to the patience of others and more so of those over the internet. At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult. If that includes quitting twitter, so be it. That is sound advice for everyone who loses their shit on twitter, be it Amanda Bynes or Phil Fish.

This Phil Fish martyr stuff is getting a little crazy, though.

He died for YOUR sins, heathen!

 

[WickedLaharl]

 

[NinjamicWZ]

I am very sympathetic to people with mental health issues but ultimately all the rest of us can do is urge them to seek treatment--accommodation does not extent to enabling and at this point anyone covering his story to comment on it is enabling. Thankfully this will be the last thread on the subject we need to have.

How is it a mental health issue if someone responds to verbal abuse and insults with reactionary vitriol and chooses to isolate themselves from it, but espousing verbal abuse and insults towards said person is not indicative of mental health issues such as sadism and narcissism? It's extreme to make this a mental health issue in the first place, and that's analogous to saying someone who commits suicide is mentally ill but the bully who drove them to it is not.

 

[Salsa]

Im a little lost...if the verbal abuse was just at the hands of some random people on twitter/other social networks...I cant see that forcing anyone out of anything they like to do.

Dude gets tons of attacks daily because he carelessly expressed his feelings on stuff over and over without giving a shit what people thought of it. And apparently in this industry you have to be some sort of blank wall without any real negative opinions towards anything, otherwise you're an "asshole" and "lol good riddance". People prefer the PR-ridden harmless world instead of someone being opinionated and honest, cause they don't agree, and apparently can't let go.

I mean whatever, some people are still mad about "lol PC = spreadsheets" wich is the most obvious bait joke ive ever read, ever, and people STILL think he was serious even after releasing the thing on PC. You can't say he didnt have it coming if he couldnt put up with the responses he should have known he was going to get; but those responses are just sad.

 

[Yamibito]

You know, he's right. For the most part, the gaming industry is disgusting, and a lot of gamers and inconsiderate gits. I really don't blame him.

 

[King Allant]

yeah, and they all laughing at you >_>

hope he get help

 

[GodfatherX]

It's been pretty obvious to me that Phil cannot handle criticism or stress, which there are plenty of both when working in this industry. Unfortunately these are both inherent to any other career from accounting to flipping burgers. I really don't know where he could possibly work where his emotions won't set him up for failure.

I really feel for those that invested into him. His business partner at Polytron, Disasterpiece for the countless hours he has plugged away at hours at another great soundtrack. These are the people who should really be upset with this. Fez is a gorgeous game that seems pretty cool, It's one of my 5 August backlog games.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse you from your actions, especially if you know you have it (assuming you are not self-diagnosing yourself to appear sympathetic, something attention-seekers love doing). Moreover, you are not entitled to the patience of others and more so of those over the internet. At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult. If that includes quitting twitter, so be it. That is sound advice for everyone who loses their shit on twitter, be it Amanda Bynes or Phil Fish.

This Phil Fish martyr stuff is getting a little crazy, though.

This.

 

[Infernal Monkey]

He'll be back. Next week... in game magazines.

 

[slightconfuse]

Why doesn't he get off twitter ??

Seems to be the root of the problem

 

[Dunlop]

I'm lost now, does he actually have a mental disorder? Nothing pops up with Google

 

[Burt]

Damn shame though. Loved Fez, always liked Phil. Good luck to him with whatever he's doing.

 

[newjeruse]

Congratulations...?

 

[McDougles]

What's great is now it's 100% confirmed that a good chunk of the people in these discussions have been spitting venom on a person with a mental illness.

Being bi-polar is not an excuse for bad behavior. To think otherwise is downright insulting. Nobody's "spitting venom" (how facetious) because he's allegedly bi-polar, they're criticizing him because he acts like a dick while seemingly playing the victim card.

 

[Xbudz]

Fish out of water.

 

[DodgerSan]

Adam Orth doing a panel about cyber bullying.
Phil Fish spitting the dummy and taking his ball home.

Link? Both completely unable to deal with the blowback from their own unprofessionalism on a public forum.

 

[-MD-]

After playing Fez this doesn't really bother me at all.

 

[Teknoman]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse you from your actions, especially if you know you have it (assuming you are not self-diagnosing yourself to appear sympathetic, something attention-seekers love doing). Moreover, you are not entitled to the patience of others and more so of those over the internet. At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult. If that includes quitting twitter, so be it. That is sound advice for everyone who loses their shit on twitter, be it Amanda Bynes or Phil Fish.

This Phil Fish martyr stuff is getting a little crazy, though.

I'll say. If social comments hurt or stress you out THAT much...just close your account and keep on doing what you love. Then again, I dont think cyber bullying should actually have an effect on people, especially if they dont know the person in real life.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

I posted this in the other thread, but these are some possibly pertinent tidbits from Phil's GAF post history.



On working at Ubisoft:

He's bipolar.

This reminds me of the thread where Amanda Bynes was diagnosed with schizophrenia behavior (not schizophrenia itself), and people realized how stupid it was to make fun of her acts.

He needs help. I'm glad he's quitting the industry, specially an industry with people that act like this.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

Also, I've worked for Ubi and yeah, the Editorial process can be a...well...thing at times, but they're making calls because they're signing checks. Was I able to be as creative as I wanted to be? Nope. For sure not. But I was still working on games, in the game industry, and stayed professional about it and was happy to just be working in the industry. Still am happy to be working in the industry. 8 years and sure there are days that don't go the way you want. That's every job, ever, though.

 

[Skyzard]

and all because of overreacting gamers, such a shame

Idiots exist outside of games too.

Spoiler

Fish returns, Fez II, etc

 

[Secret Fawful]

Here's a list of famous people with bipolar disorder. Very few of them tell people to choke on dicks. Why should Phil Fish get a free pass?

It doesn't give him a free pass on saying his vitriol. It means that people should be looking at him in a new light, and the hate is STILL ridiculous.

 

[Kyuur]

Unfortunate, he is a talented game developer and interesting person. Best of luck to him.

 

[King Allant]

I'm lost now, does he actually have a mental disorder? Nothing pops up with Google

he said he bipolar on gaf before

 

[Chuck]

Dude needs a psychiatrist. Just watched IGTM yesterday too. He's needed one for like 5 years apparently.

 

[Hagi]

Exactly, i feel sorry if he has mental issues but he was a dick to everyone first. No that does not excuse people, but he did this to himself for the most part.

lol i never knew he was a dick first to seemingly every single person who ever insulted him over twitter or the internet at large. What a prick indeed.

 

[Loxley]

The guy was talented but chose to act like an antagonizing douchebag whenever given the chance, and then responded with childish insults.

When you're in a position like he is, you have to take the good with the bad. Just don't respond to the haters, or if you can't control yourself, be the bigger man and keep your responses measured. Fish clearly has a short temper though, something that does not mix well with twitter.

 

[OneEightZero]

I'll say. If social comments hurt or stress you out THAT much...just close your account and keep on doing what you love.

I don't know if he loved it by the end.

 

[AppleSmack]

Oh, I don't doubt a single thing you typed. However, from my understanding he left he industry because of the stress, not because of the pay. Meaning: If he felt stressed out and annoyed as an independent video game developer then I fail to see how working as a software developer for some corporation is less stressful. He will be limited on creative control, he can't set his hours, and in general someone else will be in control of his responsibilities. But maybe that will be the best for him. Maybe being in charge of so much for so long was too much for him.

By him "setting his own hours" I can guarantee he works far more than the typical 40 that a software developer does. Game developers work sleepless nights for months to meet deadlines. For indies, there is even more pressure to do so. His life will be far better in literally any other job outside of this industry where he can work a standard 40 hour shift, make a very high and stable paycheck, all without getting so much hate.

 

[Dezmond]

Hopefully he'll be happier in whatever new line of work he decides to pursue.

Who the heck is going to put up with him saying 'Don't you know who I am! I am Phil Fish!' all the time?

 

[cuyahoga]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse you from your actions, especially if you know you have it (assuming you are not self-diagnosing yourself to appear sympathetic, something attention-seekers love doing). Moreover, you are not entitled to the patience of others and more so of those over the internet. At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult. If that includes quitting twitter, so be it. That is sound advice for everyone who loses their shit on twitter, be it Amanda Bynes or Phil Fish.

This Phil Fish martyr stuff is getting a little crazy, though.

Phil Fish said this six years ago, before anyone knew whatever Fez was. Really hope he gets a therapist—that helped me out enormously after I had a depressive episode.

 

[Uthred]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse you from your actions, especially if you know you have it (assuming you are not self-diagnosing yourself to appear sympathetic, something attention-seekers love doing). Moreover, you are not entitled to the patience of others and more so of those over the internet. At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult. If that includes quitting twitter, so be it. That is sound advice for everyone who loses their shit on twitter, be it Amanda Bynes or Phil Fish.

This Phil Fish martyr stuff is getting a little crazy, though.

An excellent response to this somehwat bizarre "Non compos mentis" defence of Mr Fish's behaviour

 

[Deleted member 47027]

I wonder if he has any employable skills. Outside of the games industry.

 

[YianGaruga]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse you from your actions, especially if you know you have it (assuming you are not self-diagnosing yourself to appear sympathetic, something attention-seekers love doing). Moreover, you are not entitled to the patience of others and more so of those over the internet. At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult. If that includes quitting twitter, so be it. That is sound advice for everyone who loses their shit on twitter, be it Amanda Bynes or Phil Fish.

This Phil Fish martyr stuff is getting a little crazy, though.

Sounds like you have no idea how mental illnesses work.
"At the end of the day someone going through a manic episode is their own responsibility and they need to handle it like an adult."

Sure thing. I'll just fix my malfunctioning brain right now because you said so.

 

[marrec]

Yes. I think an antisocial asshole like him should focus on working his issues and not be put on a pedestral that will only make him worse.

Maybe he secretly just dislikes making Video Games, but I'd rather encouraged him to stop saying stupid shit on Twitter. He makes good stuff that I enjoy, but instead of having a bit of accountability and responsibility, he takes his ball and goes home. Which he's well within his right to, of course, it's just the height of immaturity if he actually enjoys making these things.