I don't think I have any reason to troll something of this nature... or any nature for that matter.
Wired: Final Fantasy Isnt Dying. Its Already Dead
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I don't think I have any reason to troll something of this nature... or any nature for that matter.
TheRealTalker
Banned
wait you guys are telling me that the "gameplay" trailer of final fantasy 15 wasn't really gameplay at all?!?
True, true!
There still is the re-reveal of FF XIV upcoming!
Watch Final Fantasy pull a Revengeance!
Chance Hale
Member
I believe certain shots were CG, ie the under water segment when you surface and see the dragon and the bit where you have the soldiers collapsing under you. Perhaps the inside home area as well?
Fully expect they will match it though, or come very close.
Dog food is delicious
Banned
Mihos
Gold Member
Hell, HD mods that are out now do most of the stuff you are saying is 'hard'
Already been said numerous times. Yes all of that would need to happen, they would be starting from scratch.
Concept art and a downloadable costume... Let me see, is the comparison here that most people who played those games didn't see either one?
Ruining an established character, the plot, the writing, the art, the J-poop music.
Messofanego
Banned
Heres an excerpt from a question-and-answer session on July 27 with Nobuhiro Goto and Motomu Toriyama, developers of the next game in the series, Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.
Q: Has [main character] Lightning gone from a C cup to a D cup?
Goto: Well, Toriyama-san said he wanted them bigger, so
Toriyama: Hey, dont try to escape responsibility for this!
Goto: Yes, we made them bigger.
Q. Was it a C cup, up until now? Are her breasts going to jiggle, this time?
Goto: Yes!
Toriyama: It depends on the clothing. Like if shes wearing corrective underwear.
Dengeki Onlines report of the event noted further that since players can choose Lightnings costume and weaponry, they can ensuretheir preferred amount and duration of boob jiggling through judicious equipment selection. If you want to get a better view of all those mammarial undulations, one developer noted, just have her hold a smaller shield!
This is something I'd expect from a DOA developer, not Final Fantasy!
timetokill
Banned
It's very easy to superimpose a HUD over cg video :O
This is gameplay right.....RIGHT?
I feel really deflated if this is true.
R_thanatos
Member
There are plenty of situation in ff13 where you have to change your paradigm to win properly.
Sur going all comando works ,but the difference between being bored during 6 minutes and changing paradigms, finish the fight in 40 second and getting a 5 star result is there.
All the optional fights in ff13 required you to change paradigm to win them btw.
Dog food is delicious
Banned
FFX/X-2 was announced at TGS 2011 and those two games were much more suited to an HD upgrade.
XIII made use of the PS properly. XIII-2 did not.
SmarterUnconscious
Member
The best thing about Final Fantasy is . . they are stand alone games. Don't like one? Come back for the next one, it'll be all new.
Obviously this doesn't count for XIII and its direct sequels, for which they picked the most horrible game to start making multiple sequels. But still, all this doom and gloom is just because most people hate XIII and want a fresh FF.
Final Fantasy ain't dead until SE goes bankrupt.
Obviously this doesn't count for XIII and its direct sequels, for which they picked the most horrible game to start making multiple sequels. But still, all this doom and gloom is just because most people hate XIII and want a fresh FF.
Final Fantasy ain't dead until SE goes bankrupt.
Been doing that strat for 10 years, No thanks, I've learned my lesson.
DarkLordMalik
Member
He is also talking about the gameplay trailer, which was in real-time. The gameplay trailer only had a few seconds at end, that were target render, particularly this Leviathan out of water scene and the Behemoth stealth scene.
And what an enjoyable game it was! Thanks, Squarsoft!
Green Mamba
Member
This was fine until the games started taking eight fucking years+ to be made.
EDIT: Concerning how much CG target render there were is meaningless, the sheer fact that they are doing it at all this far into development (or even feel the need to do it this far into development) is incredibly telling of how far up their own ass Square Enix is.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'll buy it in the bargain bin when it's $5.
I was playing Final Fantasy since the first one. They started to lose me at FF 7 and finally did at 10. Maturity won't help it. They need to remove all the jpop boyband crap and go back to their roots. Swords, shields, magic, monsters and massive environments to explore. No more guns and modern environments.
Curiously enough, FF success peaked around FF 7 and FF VIII. Going back to those roots won't help (FF XII) unless there's a proper change in mentality in the themes. When I talk about mature I don't mean blood and sex, I mean plots that aren't stright shonen quality.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
This article is the classic "I'll look for the facts that prove my argument rather than have a more open perspective of things"
You can thank the HD generation, XIV fiasco, and Crystal Tools for that.
While I love Souls, not every game needs to be Souls. Part of the reason Souls works so well is that it feels unique.
Maybe that's the problem with Final Fantasy; because it is so famous and popular among JRPGs, the cliches in it are associated with the cliches in JRPGs. Just look at all the people saying "JRPGs suck!" this generation because Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2 weren't good. Taking a dramatic new direction with art style and characters might solve that problem. XV is at least making strides in that area.
Who exactly did they ruin? What was wrong with the plot? The art was literally X's unless you're referring to the main three in which case, none of them were bad. The J-pop music...yeah those two songs? Both which were perfectly fine songs.
Elaborate on why these things are bad.
Meccanical
Member
No.
Look it's time to clear this shit up once and for all.
E3 REVEAL TRAILER, PRE-RENDERED CUTSCENE WITH IN GAME ASSETS
GAMEPLAY TRAILER: IS ACTUAL IN GAME FOOTAGE(Except with that part at the end with the leviathan, which is again pre-rendered in game assets)
Poetic.Injustice
Member
What a scummy company. :lol
R_thanatos
Member
HD mods for FF7 are limited by the game horrible resolution ( for the background ) and even if one could argue that it's better , i don't see the point of all that work if it's to stay on a HD mod level.
Correct me if i'm wrong , but do the current the HD mods tweak FF7 Pc devious animations ?Did they magically uprez the backgrounds with the numerous animations too ?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Is there really anything surprising in showing a target render of a next-gen game? I mean... most of companies did and do the same in current and past E3s. Not to the "infamous" level of Sony E3 2005 but most of them do that.
And also: where's the problem? Target renders suggest what they're aiming for. We all get hyped when companies just show us teaser FMVs, at least with target renders we touch the engine a bit
Break conventions, yes, but don't make every game a Souls game.
Right, and it's pretty obvious they're using PS3-level models in that video. They look decidedly worse than the target rendered scenes.
Dog food is delicious
Banned
But there's also the risk of changing too much and alienating fans as well.
Haunted
Member
Can't disagree much, to be honest.
That said, FF still has two things going for it: 1) a fairly rabid fanbase that won't abandon the series even after a solid decade of shit (FFXII being the only good entry during that time) and 2) that the mainline entries have mostly been disconnected, giving them a chance to start fresh again with XV after the disasters of recent years.
That said, FF still has two things going for it: 1) a fairly rabid fanbase that won't abandon the series even after a solid decade of shit (FFXII being the only good entry during that time) and 2) that the mainline entries have mostly been disconnected, giving them a chance to start fresh again with XV after the disasters of recent years.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is unique because it dosn't feel western or japanese, it has an unique blend or both, that's what I want from FF, I don't mean to straight copy DS. JRPG cliches are just anime/manga cliches, and that's a problem, what's more, thanks to toriyama FF is making more and more strides to the otaku audience.
Aeriscloud
Banned
Is there really anything surprising in showing a target render of a next-gen game? I mean... most of companies did and do the same in current and past E3s. Not to the "infamous" level of Sony E3 2005 but most of them do that.
And also: where's the problem? Target renders suggest what they're aiming for. We all get hyped when companies just show us teaser FMVs, at least with target renders we touch the engine a bit
The problem, Perfo, is it's been 7 years since this game was revealed. They should be past relying on target renders,
thought he was talking about FF13, dont mind this ->
the battles were fun and challenging. kayos saying he didnt had to use paradigms until the last boss is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen on gaf.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
So this is CGI
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Animations are the real difference imho. Something they'll never achieve to that level, nor other devs. BUT, as lighting and general graphics, they'll get close.
Just proof the game never existed before now.
Why Japan sees Lightning as a top-tier protag, I'll never know.
Is there really anything surprising in showing a target render of a next-gen game? I mean... most of companies did and do the same in current and past E3s. Not to the "infamous" level of Sony E3 2005 but most of them do that.
And also: where's the problem? Target renders suggest what they're aiming for. We all get hyped when companies just show us teaser FMVs, at least with target renders we touch the engine a bit
Let's not use the classic "everyone else does it so what it's not wrong" argument. Showing a target render is deceiving the audience in a way. In addition, it means that they spent time creating a target render to show "something" when in reality they had nothing to show for it.
What's so funny? Something particularly wrong with what I said?
Dog food is delicious
Banned
the battles were fun and challenging. kayos saying he didnt had to use paradigms until the last boss is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen on gaf.
There was one boss I couldn't touch without paradigms.
Yes I should have.
It doesn't. What it does perpetrate is a trend towards teenage melodrama and angst started by FFVII. And yes, the 16-bit games had their fair share of melodrama, but be it because of the sprite art or lack of voice acting, it never came across as grotesque as it does in the franchise's modern efforts.