Wired: Final Fantasy Isn’t Dying. It’s Already Dead

Psh, ha! Final Fantasy is far from dead. Yeah, FFXIII and its sequels aren't generally perceived to be even close to the Final Fantasy games of yester-year, but to outright dismiss the other work Square Enix has done with the franchise is preposterous. Also, FFXV is shaping up to be really good. Nomura is on the exact opposite end of Toriyama, and has the experience of directing Kingdom Hearts behind him. Nomura's been with Square for a long time, and has worked on a multitude of Final Fantasy games. I've a feeling FFXV will be pretty damn good. Also, the crowd reactions to both FFXV and KH3 at E3 proves that there is still hype for Square Enix:

Sony pre-E3 press conference 2013: Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yE4WEyFlK0
 
Wait are people seriously questioning if FFXV is an RPG? Really?

So I guess Tales of Xillia and Kingdom Hearts arent RPG's because of its action like gameplay right?
 
The best thing about Final Fantasy is . . they are stand alone games. Don't like one? Come back for the next one, it'll be all new.

Obviously this doesn't count for XIII and its direct sequels, for which they picked the most horrible game to start making multiple sequels. But still, all this doom and gloom is just because most people hate XIII and want a fresh FF.

Final Fantasy ain't dead until SE goes bankrupt.

And that's why this generation has killed the franchise.

You don't like XIII? Comeback for
XI-2
XIV.
You don't like XIV? Comeback for XIII-2.
You don't like XIII-2? Comeback for XIV-2.
You don't like XIV-2? Comeback for XIII-3.
You don't like XIII-3? Comeback to a game we announced 7 years ago!!!!

7 years of nothing fresh. And until we get something really fresh in XVI, it'll be possibly 10 years.
 
FF since 8 has become the Birdemic of video games. So terrible it's funny. To me, not dead, but...um...evolved.
It fits right up there with Metal Gear I guess. If anything, the industry has too many Birdemics that it's starting to lose its haha luster. The joke is getting old and the realization that nobody is "in" on the joke is getting embarrassing.
 
Wait are people seriously questioning if FFXV is an RPG? Really?

So I guess Tales of Xillia and Kingdom Hearts arent RPG's because of its action like gameplay right?

It's an RPG (or so we're told), but it's also sub-genre. I think squabbling over semantics is stupid, as that's not the point. The point is some people don't like that type of game (I don't like KH), so seeing a FF take up that mantle isn't appealing.
 
FF since 8 has become the Birdemic of video games. So terrible it's funny. To me, not dead, but...um...evolved.
It fits right up there with Metal Gear I guess. If anything, the industry has too many Birdemics that it's starting to lose it's haha luster.

"Birdemic" of videogames. Hyperbole will never be the same.
 
Ultros was anything but a waste of dev time.


Shin Megami Tensei IV just came out for 3DS. If you either don't keep up with fusing demons or don't master the Press Turn battle system, you will get destroyed constantly by random encounters and destroyed even harder by bosses.

The series in general tends to keep you on your toes. Give it a shot.

i already know SMT. it's unforgiving , but it doesn't change the fact that you'll fall in the same routine , except with stronger habilities.
Don't get me wrong i love the SMT series but the only real difference is the higher difficulty curve than an average rpg. But it's where the fun lies you might say.

but my point still stand. Should FF have an SMT difficulty curve so that everyone would have complained afterwards ? Of course not.
 
I think Sony would be wise to assemble a new studio to make first party JRPG's. Microsoft and Nintendo can't compete with them on this front. Microsoft has no japan presence and Nintendo can maybe pacify their own cosnole loyal gamers but that is it. Sony could take hold of japanese JRPG gamers and try to unite western JRPG gamers under one umbrella. The other side to it is simply making sure the genre remains alive and vibrant. The genre has simply been mismanaged by many company and only a strong hand can make it healthy again. They can at least try.

They're already working on a JRPG or something to that effect, unless I'm mistaken.
 
It's an RPG (or so we're told), but it's also sub-genre. I think squabbling over semantics is stupid, as that's not the point. The point is some people don't like that type of game (I don't like KH), so seeing a FF take up that mantle isn't appealing.
That's okay, we can just wait for the next mainline FF if we don't like this one!

Which will only take like, what, eight years? Nine years?

Haha! Hahaa... ha....

Jesus christ I hate this company.

EDIT: Never mind that there's a genuine chance that the next mainline FF could be led by fucking Toriyama. Holy god damn.
 
Psh, ha! Final Fantasy is far from dead. Yeah, FFXIII and its sequels aren't generally perceived to be even close to the Final Fantasy games of yester-year, but to outright dismiss the other work Square Enix has done with the franchise is preposterous. Also, FFXV is shaping up to be really good. Nomura is on the exact opposite end of Toriyama, and has the experience of directing Kingdom Hearts behind him. Nomura's been with Square for a long time, and has worked on a multitude of Final Fantasy games. I've a feeling FFXV will be pretty damn good. Also, the crowd reactions to both FFXV and KH3 at E3 proves that there is still hype for Square Enix:

Sony pre-E3 press conference 2013: Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yE4WEyFlK0

We knew that the Fabula Nova Crystallis series would take some time, but who declares them dead after a faulty round?

I didn't see these types of articles when the Ivalice series was around. This gen has made monsters out of journalist. Every opinion here is biased.

Some award winning game journalist should write a book about biased coworkers in the industry as a reference guide for upcoming journalist.
 
And that's why this generation has killed the franchise.

You don't like XIII? Comeback for
XI-2
XIV.
You don't like XIV? Comeback for XIII-2.
You don't like XIII-2? Comeback for XIV-2.
You don't like XIV-2? Comeback for XIII-3.
You don't like XIII-3? Comeback to a game we announced 7 years ago!!!!

7 years of nothing fresh. And until we get something really fresh in XVI, it'll be possibly 10 years.

Except that S-E has outputted some new franchises.

S-E isn't only final fantasy. There was things that were fresh outside of FF if you looked at what square outputted since 2005.
 
Except that S-E has outputted some new franchises.

S-E isn't only final fantasy. There was things that were fresh outside of FF if you looked at what square outputted since 2005.

Very true however he's only referring to the Final Fantasy franchise in that post, not S-E as whole.
 
Except that S-E has outputted some new franchises.

S-E isn't only final fantasy. There was things that were fresh outside of FF if you looked at what square outputted since 2005.
Except the poster you're quoting is clearly talking about only in the context of the FF series itself.

And your point falls apart because, in terms of new IP--SE was also outputting more new and fresh IP back when we weren't getting shit like FFXIII-3 in place of fresh new Final Fantasies.
 
Although S-E's current state is deplorable, Wired is a fucking awful publication and are basically clueless.

FF/SE has been in a tough spot for basically the entire 7th gen but with FFXV and KH3 things are looking up. It's too early to write them off even if SE has fallen from its PS1/PS2 days.
 
with the way i view it, there's only one major mistake that final fantasy has done (maybe 2). some people have different spots where final fantasy has started it's downfall. some do say as long ago as the ps1 games, but it usually starts at the ps2 era. a lot say xii, some like me say x, some say x-2, and course people say xiii.

x, no matter how much i dislike the game, i can't say it was a sign of final fantasy dying. i do think it was a sign of things to come, for me personally. it was the first jrpg to highlight things i would come to dislike about the genre. but despite all that, it's one of the most beloved entries of the series. x-2, despite overall not being a fan of that game, i can see why they made the sequel. they made some style decisions that didn't go over well, and that was that. a series doesn't start dying from a not so well received sequel.

xii seemed to disappoint a hell of a lot of people. i remember getting dragon quest 8 and playing the xii demo day 1, loving it. going online finding hating on the demo hardcore, and just having my mind blown. overall this game underperformed for what matsuno had in store. but despite that, i still consider it one of the better games in the series. and by the looks of the essential rpg list, so do a lot of folks here. and it's in a higher place than x, as well. that was a surprise. so with that, i don't consider xii as a sign of the series dying.

xiii is the one big mistake that, if any entry would make me worry, it would be this. i think square is allowed to make a game and it turns out not as great as they hoped. not every game will please. but for them to keep making sequels to it that weren't asked for, putting lightning and her costumes in other games that had nothing to do with her, as well as costumes from other games that make it into her games...just makes me think they are trying too hard to make us like her andher games. just let it go. i wouldn't put it past se to put her in ffxv, as she's appearing in a game that makes less sense for her to be in with xiv. did they ever come out with those xiii novels/novellas? i remember them announcing something like that.

just...be done with her, please. there are some fans of her, but just be done. end it. for the love of god.

i can see why people would consider xiv another sign. 1.0 sucked, and pretty much no one disagrees. however they are making a lot of people happy with a realm reborn, me included. there will always be that original 1.0 reputation, but if arr delivers i will consider it reversed, for me.

some people are already doom and gloom about xv, but those people do not matter to me. xv looks super fun, and i'm used to the idea that final fantasy is always an envolving series. i do not wish the series to stay action based, but we'll have to wait and see how this game and the nest one turns out to see if we should be worried about that or not.

so yeah, that's how i see it. plenty of mistakes can be pointed out. but me i just see it as one big...generation-long mistake. final fantasy for me is not at that dead point, yet.
 
SNES and PS1 era is over.

We have to move on.

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We knew that the Fabula Nova Crystallis series would take some time, but who declares them dead after a faulty round?

I didn't see these types of articles when the Ivalice series was around. This gen has made monsters out of journalist. Every opinion here is biased.

Some award winning game journalist should write a book about biased coworkers in the industry as a reference guide for upcoming journalist.

Games journalism isn't dying. It's already dead.
 
It never ceases to amaze me how most of the "it's nothing but boobs" critics are actually the ones who seem to be the only ones fixated on them.

I have no idea if LR will be any good, and that image is silly, but plenty of people scoffed the same at X2 (just like here) and it was a fun game with a great battle/job system.

The "boobs are bad" crowd is growing tiresome.
 
Squall is a SeeD with Guardian Forces equipped who obviously make you stronger than your average citizen. He was also healed by Edea who remember, is a sorceress and has much stronger healing magic.

Edea was under control be Ultimecia. Why would she heal him?
Seed members can grow back internal organs? The fight between the two Gardens says otherwise.

Anyway back on topic:

I'm interested in 15 for the factor of "How the fuck is this battle system going to work?"
It looks nuts and chaotic. I don't understand the RPG element to it.
 
Very true however he's only referring to the Final Fantasy franchise in that post, not S-E as whole.
Fair enough ..i'll forget about type-0 , dissidia and so on too.
Except the poster you're quoting is clearly talking about only in the context of the FF series itself.

And your point falls apart because, in terms of new IP--SE was also outputting more new and fresh IP back when we weren't getting shit like FFXIII-3 in place of fresh new Final Fantasies.

That was before the costs of Hd develloppement weren't so high i believe.
 
FF/SE has been in a tough spot for basically the entire 7th gen but with FFXV and KH3 things are looking up. It's too early to write them off even if SE has fallen from its PS1/PS2 days.

I'm not sure if re-announcing a game that was already announced seven years ago and not even giving it a firm release year (not date, year), alongside a target render and logo of a game that said former game has been preventing the creation of with nothing else to show for it is "looking up."

That sounds like business as usual at the SE offices.

That was before the costs of Hd develloppement weren't so high i believe.
I'm not in the habit of excusing enormous corporations for shit decisions and decreased quality and quantity.
 
It never ceases to amaze me how most of the "it's nothing but boobs" critics are actually the ones who seem to be the only ones fixated on them.

I have no idea if LR will be any good, and that image is silly, but plenty of people scoffed the same at X2 (just like here) and it was a fun game with a great battle/job system.

The "boobs are bad" crowd is growing tiresome.

How about "FFXIII as a series was never good so there was no point in milking it"?
 
"Birdemic" of videogames. Hyperbowl will never be the same.

In many ways, FF is MUCH stupider than Birdemic, as Birdemic can only get so far in the race with its 2 hour runtime. FF just keeps on bumbling for 40, 50, 60 hours and for 10, 20+ years. On plot synapsis alone Birdemic is merely remedial and heavy handed. The hacks that made Birdemic have an excuse. No money. No experience. Probably a bit insane. What's Squeenix's? Worse. What's their fans?

Everyone is laughing when watching Birdemic. Have yet to hear someone say "Well, I liked it" after inducing someone into it's amateurish charm. Not so much when people are playing the almost equally moronic game. That, of all things, is the funniest part of this real-life saga, to the point where playing these games is no longer funny to me and is just plain sad. All the more depressing to me to watch the publisher increase the budget with each iteration, as if believing one can simply coat over shit with 24k gold and call it fine jewelry. The only thing worse than a low budget junk is high budget junk that is trying ever so hard to reach "coolness," imo. The former is offensive to itself. The later offends me and its audience.
 
We knew that the Fabula Nova Crystallis series would take some time, but who declares them dead after a faulty round?

I didn't see these types of articles when the Ivalice series was around. This gen has made monsters out of journalist. Every opinion here is biased.

Some award winning game journalist should write a book about biased coworkers in the industry as a reference guide for upcoming journalist.

This post. :lol
 
Final fantasy 8 was the beginning of the end for me. Although I enjoyed it, I was never a huge fan of 7. I loved 9, and 8 is one of the worst rpgs i've played plot wise and gameplay wise. (definitely the most broken gameplay system in an rpg with no memorable characters for me.) So I was refreshed with 9, but then 10 came out with a lot more of the style of 8 and the same very few characters I liked, and added a lot more linearity to the areas, and thats when I decided I was done with the series. I played a little bit of XII, but it was better then X, but still rather bland. This is coming from someone who enjoyed this gens tri-ace games, since even though the story or voice acting may be awful I know I will always get some amazingly fun gameplay.
 
Okay it's time to clear all this crap up.




Everything being said here is false. It's all assumptions based on a false comment off record by an unknowledgable PR representative from SE. Plus half those PR guys at E3 were temps anyways. What would they know.

They probably know more than you. No offense, but you sound like you are in complete denial.
 
When a franchise is "dead", that to me means it is barely selling and there is a high chance the publisher wont greenlight more of them (see possibly Ridge Racer, or any other series that is on the backburner)

So no, FF is not dead since they are making more of them. Declined sales does not mean it is dead, if it does, then many franchises are "dying", including Halo, Gears, Gran Turismo and ton of others.
 
Wait are people seriously questioning if FFXV is an RPG? Really?

So I guess Tales of Xillia and Kingdom Hearts arent RPG's because of its action like gameplay right?
Been a while since I played KH but the only RPG aspect of it that I remember is leveling up. Other than that it was "kiddy DMC". Not saying it isn't an RPG but it wasn't a traditional RPG and neither is FFXV and if any franchise should remain somewhat traditional, it's FF, otherwise start another franchise. Don't take away and change major aspects I love about my favorite franchise. Keep my favorite franchise in tact with appropriate tweaks and make a similar franchise with these major changes for people who want something different.

That's my whole problem with these recent Final Fantasy games and SquareEnix today.
 
In many ways, FF is MUCH stupider than Birdemic, as Birdemic can only get so far in the race with its 2 hour runtime. FF just keeps on bumbling for 40, 50, 60 hours and for 10, 20+ years. On plot synapsis alone Birdemic is merely remedial and heavy handed. The hacks that made Birdemic have an excuse. What's Squeenix's. Worse. What's their fans?

Everyone is laughing when watching Birdemic. Have yet to hear someone say "Well, I liked it" after inducing someone into it's amateurish charm. Not so much when people are playing the almost equally moronic game. That, of all things, is the funniest part of this real-life saga, to the point where playing these games is no longer funny to me and is just plain sad. All the more depressing to me to watch the publisher increase the budget with each iteration, as if believing one can simply coat over shit with 24k gold and call it fine jewelry. The only thing worse than a low budget birdemic is a high budget one that is trying ever so hard to reach "coolness," imo. The former is offensive to itself. The later offends me and its audience.

That's a really nonsensical, absurd comparison all around. Nothing about Birdemic is merely "remedial"(it didn't even make sense in the context you used it, the basic plot certainly doesn't help make up for other things), what made it so popular as a B movie was its completely straight faced attempts at being a serious movie while breaking every basic film making technique coupled with some of the worst acting, effects, and writing put to the screen. It's the degree of almost exaggeration while being completely sincere that makes it so poor in every respect. In particular your statement about FF trying to be "cool" while comparing it to Birdemic is nonsensical.

FFXIII has a lot of bad writing and poor cinematography in the CGIs at times but nothing that comes anywhere close to Birdemic. Your statement about no one really laughing at its worst moments says a lot, it's a very different type and degree of amateur effort.
 
Edea was under control be Ultimecia. Why would she heal him?
She healed him because he was the leader of the assassination group. If you recall, Ultimecia was searching for the SeeD that was destined to kill her so she was using torture tactics to get any useful information she could. It's why Seifer immediately takes you first and tries to get information about SeeD and their goals.

Seed members can grow back internal organs? The fight between the two Gardens says otherwise.
Did all those soldiers have a sorceress healing them? I think not. Remember, GF's allow the use of para-magic which is much weaker compared to actualy magic that can only be used by sorceresses.
 
FF since 8 has become the Birdemic of video games. So terrible it's funny. To me, not dead, but...um...evolved.
It fits right up there with Metal Gear I guess. If anything, the industry has too many Birdemics that it's starting to lose its haha luster. The joke is getting old and the realization that nobody is "in" on the joke is getting embarrassing.

Calling FF9, one of the best RPGs ever, Birdemic...

Smh
 
The more I read this article, the more it reads like click bait. I expacted a bit more from Wired/Kohler.. =(

JRPGs in general are finished. There just isn't enough of a market to warrant high end AAA quality JRPG titles.

What nonsense.
 
Where was this author when S-E was releasing quality titles like the FF3 and 4 remakes on DS? Final Fantasy 4 Heroes of Light? Those are the type of Final Fantasy games we need more of, not these stupid fanfics about waifus and shitty iOS versions. Why isn't the author telling S-E the answer is remakes of FF5 and 6 on 3DS? That is clearly the best option for the series outside of 15 at this point.
 
people are really sold on FF15 already? reeeeally?

all i learned from gameplay trailer is that there is uncharted style hold up while shit is happening around you, and probably some of kingdom hearts 2 'press x for awesome!'. UI looks completely placeholdery... but yeah, i need some umph there before I invest some hype stock :)
 
people are really sold on FF15 already? reeeeally?

all i learned from gameplay trailer is that there is uncharted style hold up while shit is happening around you, and probably some of kingdom hearts 2 'press x for awesome!'. UI looks completely placeholdery... but yeah, i need some umph there before I invest some hype stock :)

Some of my friends would like a word with you.
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And a lot of it is the ambition described, everything about the game sounds like a return to form in terms of the openness of titles like FFVI brought into the modern era. Could certainly not live up to it but I see no real reason not to be excited or at the very least hopeful. Nomura seems to be very aware of what people disliked about XIII and liked about older titles.
 
people are really sold on FF15 already? reeeeally?

all i learned from gameplay trailer is that there is uncharted style hold up while shit is happening around you, and probably some of kingdom hearts 2 'press x for awesome!'. UI looks completely placeholdery... but yeah, i need some umph there before I invest some hype stock :)
Open world exploration, towns, plenty of random side quests to find, airship, cars, and unique take on gameplay, great atmosphere, interesting looking story and characters, great graphics and world design, Amazing soundtrack by Yōko Shimomura etc. And this is just some of the stuff we know, I expect to be surprised while playing.

This is basically classic Final Fantasy reborn. Get hyped already.
 
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