Chance Hale
Member
What the people who complain about XV fashion wear
Wired: Final Fantasy Isnt Dying. Its Already Dead
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That1BlackGuy
Member
Better numbers than most JRPGs would ever see, not bad for a supposedly dying franchise.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Whenever someone says this... I know they're basing it off anecdotal evidence from themselves and a couple of friends.
FFVIII fandom is massive.
It has some detractors... but painting it like some maligned entry? Nope.
Is this the part of the thread where we starting making stuff up to defend our positions?
bengraven
Member
Tastes have been veering more towards western RPGs.
Plus, like the article said, they've made some serious mistakes in the last decade.
It's sad that from a massive FF fan who owned all the games, plus many of the Japanese versions up to X-2, I seriously don't even care about this "news".
Plus, like the article said, they've made some serious mistakes in the last decade.
It's sad that from a massive FF fan who owned all the games, plus many of the Japanese versions up to X-2, I seriously don't even care about this "news".
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Again, I'm talking about quality and not popularity. Pay attention. I didn't put words in your mouth if it's exactly what you're saying!
Touche.
Ditto.
And yet Square didn't give us more of that but more of Busty TitsMcSoldieree.
Not once, but TWICE.Yes, I know of the RTS. No it doesn't count for my Balither fix.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
I really mean no offense again but to me as a megaten fan as always, this is THE ugliest case of fanboyism gone bad. DMC folks, Rare fans, Mass Effect fans (you name it) got nothing on FF fanboys .
I am very very very really fucking sorry to say this but its time some people realized they are outdated and irrelevant to this series.
The market has been spoken and has been speaking for years now. It's the same market that refused me a shiny Megaten game, it's the same market that never let me play a game with that tri-ace tech demo gfx. I am sorry. I really am. Final Fantasy is doing well.
He is right. You are crazy VIII was loved when it came out and still has a huge fanbase. There is a loud crowd that hates it but its no a majority.
The reason FF9 didn't sell as well as 7 or 8 was because they went back to the classing chibi characters and people though it was kiddy maybe. Even though it was one of the best FF games.
This.
kunonabi
Member
I like being able to actively control my entire party. I'm not interested in pawning stuff off on the a.i. or emulating an mmo experience. I'm not really interested in the more action oriented direction they seem aimed at now that their mmo phase has ended either.
I tried messing with options in FFXII to make it more palatable but it just didn't work. It's a shame because aside from the battle system and not being able to build my characters the way I wanted I loved the rest of it.
It's so true. It really sucks not being able to have a positive FF discussion anymore, especially for someone like me who pretty much likes all of them.
hydrophilic attack
Member
All downhill since X-2? Sorry, I can't take this article seriously. XII was really great.
Well I must have missed that. What do people want? More random battles and ATB? You just need to play Dragon's Dogma/ Demon's Souls to see where it's at. Final Fantasy was there first with XII but they just didn't realise it. Not saying FF XII was perfect but it was a bold step in the right direction.
The Aesthetics of the recent FF's are the least of my concerns. In the end i don't really give a damn if they look like boybands, and has nothing to do with the enjoyment/hate of a FF.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
Terrible entries in popular series often sell well, but if they're terrible enough and get bad word of mouth, they tarnish the brand and affect the sales of sequels. Word of mouth can only happen after people have already bought the game and JRPGs tend to be very front-loaded in terms of sales, selling the bulk of the copies they're ever going to sell in the first week or so, so the bulk of the audience buys it trusting that they'll enjoy it.
A more telling comparison would be what the drop off was for its sequel and comparing it to the drop off for a comparable game in the same series. Luckily, for FFXIII, we have a pretty good proxy in FFX. Look up the sales for FFX-2 compared to the original, then look up the sales of FFXIII-2 compared to FFXIII. What were the percentage drops for both?
But you could play it like that. I don't trust AI either and I didn't use the gambit system to run the battles. I will admit the character progression was broken. The license board really sucked but I think they fixed that in the international version.
Did you play vanilla version or International Zodiac? Because vanilla version literally gave you all the freedom to build your characters the way you wanted. And people complained about this!
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
You do realize that FF X was more than 10 years ago ? You do realize I don't give a FLYING FUCK about Final Fantasy but it so pisses me of that people twist and falsify the CURRENT state of the industry to rationalize their nostalgia drenched fanboyism ?
Jesus Gaia Raging Christ !
Dragons' Dogma / Demon's Souls are action RPGs and definitely not where FF needs to go (although a FF spin off in that vein would nice).
People dont want FFXII's battle system the psuedo offline MMO gameplay experience where you set up commands and the game plays its self.
Personally the best direction for the series is to mix FFX and FFXII. FFXII had this amazing free roaming world they need that but use an ATB based system (I know FFX wasn't ATB) and not some Kingdom Hearts / MMO action game one.
I quite liked FFXII. Everyone is going to feel different about the battle system, but the setting, character design (outside of Vaan), music was top notch. The only issue is the last half finished weak plot and character wise from the beginning which started out very strong. That was due to the director change I presume.
Meccanical
Member
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Has anyone posted these past threads from the article writer yet?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377491
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455562
<3 Kobun.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377491
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455562
<3 Kobun.
IdreamofHIME
Member
I like how he said the series has declining sales, but then doesn't give any numbers at all.
FF13 sold 7 million
FF12 sold 5 million
FFX sold 6 million
FFIX sold 4million
I mean...that's a decade of FF, it only declines when you go backwards :/
Yes, yes FF7 sold 10 million copies, but that was a watershed moment in gaming. A real phenomenon of the medium.
FF13 sold 7 million
FF12 sold 5 million
FFX sold 6 million
FFIX sold 4million
I mean...that's a decade of FF, it only declines when you go backwards :/
Yes, yes FF7 sold 10 million copies, but that was a watershed moment in gaming. A real phenomenon of the medium.
Chance Hale
Member
Crazy Chocobo is still the best thing ever.
Meccanical
Member
Perfect.
Riposte
Member
And by "Western RPGs" you mean shooters and 3D action games. That direction isn't very surprising.
I'm not a fan of calling the series "dead" when it is clearly alive with a lot of people. The whole thing sounds like the frame of thinking you see when people are trying to chase the most popular things and forget the rest. Like this was some cheapo entertainment tabloid you avoid eye-contact with while waiting at your grocer's register. If Final Fantasy is dead, was the Yakuza series ever alive? Bayonetta, Vanquish? Crusader Kings, Europa Universalis? Any JRPG not named Final Fantasy or Pokemon?
I don't think that FF is dead yet, it's just evolved beyond recognition. Maybe some people want another FF7 style JRPG, but guess what? It's not going to happen ever, world moved past that stage when these games were relevant. It's all about action-rpg and open world now and FF as a franchise desperately tries to catch up with trends. We'll see how Lightning Returns fairs out though, next year is going to be meet it with a strong competition.
If anything, VIII was even more hated when it came out. You couldn't even mention you liked FFVIII without being branded a moron by every VG community I came across online in 1999. FF fans seemed to really be angry at the time that the game was such low quality.
The chibi characters are a part of the reason FF9 didn't sell well. I also think part of it is that people soured on the series because of 8.
Done to death? We haven't gotten a classic FF game since FFX which came out in 2001. 12 years. 12.
Turn based systems are far from dead.
Yet ironically FF did best sales/praise when it was turn based. Seems to me the new systems would be more in line with "to death".
Isn't FF8 the best selling FF in Japan and FF7 the best worldwide?
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I'm hoping to use sales data as a way of testing the hypothesis: has FFXIII tarnished the FF brand?
If the drop offs between X and X-2 and that between XIII and XIII-2 are similar (say if both retained, say, half the audience of the original), then the hypothesis is wrong. X was well received, especially in Japan and X-2 was one of SE's best selling games in the PS2 generation.
Answer the question: what was the drop off?
Meccanical
Member
Are we gonna turn this thread into false equivalency hour?
You said I was calling you ignorant for not liking something I do. NOWHERE in my post did I state or imply such a thing.
Many people loved VIII, the game was well regarded and is one of the biggest sellers. Why does your dislike suddenly dictate quality? I'm not saying mine does either but you're implying VIII was so bad that it damaged the brand as if that is a fact. It's not.
It's just someone making up facts to fit their agenda against VIII and it's quite hilarious. I'm laughing right along with him.
Just figured I'd join you in spouting nonsense.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Sounds like you were hanging out at GameFAQs or something.
I remember those days online. Many loved VIII. It had detractors, but at least where I hung out, they were not the dominant voice.
By the way, the answer to this is that the console jRPG is dead.
This is thanks to the decline of the console market in general, the Nintendo Wii's success splitting up marketshare, and the Nintendo DS' dominance. Oh, and the rise of "moe culture" really put a spin on japanese video game development that doesn't interest western audiences.
This is thanks to the decline of the console market in general, the Nintendo Wii's success splitting up marketshare, and the Nintendo DS' dominance. Oh, and the rise of "moe culture" really put a spin on japanese video game development that doesn't interest western audiences.
tiggerkiddo
Member
I've already moved on from XIII, time for XV!
Meccanical
Member
An ended up on your own island.
HORRORSHØW
Member
My sentiments exactly. The influx of sequels no one asked for derailed a once-mighty franchise. No doubt the Final Fantasy name still sells, but their appeal has eroded immensely this past generation. Hopefully we'll see a renaissance for the franchise in the upcoming gen.
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
...how many more games does it take?
22nd post nails it?