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[gutter_trash]

there is no such thing as ''white'' culture.

German culture? yeah that exists but cross the border over to France and then you got French culture which is different.

The Russian's idea of partying differs greatly from the Spaniard's idea of partying.

White Americans can trace their ancestral roots back to specific European countries.

Black Americans who were descendants from slaves cannot easily traces back their roots and have more trouble defining their identity. That is why they forged their African-Amreican culture within the US and band together to promote it.

I'm white but I don't practice some Anglo-Saxon American stuff like drinking tall glasses of milk for lunch or supper and I don't celebrate Thanksgiving because I'm a 1st gen; my parents never grew up with that holiday and don't give a fuck about it.

 

[snarge]

I think you could get away with an Italian-American or Irish-American group, and no one would have a problem. The problem here is that the entry into this is not your heritage or culture, but skin color. Why is this allowed with other races and not allowed with "white people"? Because white people don't share an identity aside from being white.

 

[gutter_trash]

I think you could get away with an Italian-American or Irish-American group, and no one would have a problem. The problem here is that the entry into this is not your heritage or culture, but skin color. Why is this allowed with other races and not allowed with "white people"? Because white people don't share an identity aside from being white.

also in specifics.
Italian-American culture and identity in itself is also very different from present day Italian culture from Italy.

It's entirely cool that Italian-Americans decide to celebrate their history, culture and identity within America. That's entirely fine and cool

 

[Dude Abides]

Its because some people like to be selectively racist. It's ok if WE do it, but other people that don't have the same skin color? Oh hell no.

That's right. Everyone opposed to this is a racist. You totally nailed it.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

there is no such thing as ''white'' culture.

German culture? yeah that exists but cross the border over to France and then you got French culture which is different.

The Russian's idea of partying differs greatly from the Spaniard's idea of partying.

White Americans can trace their ancestral roots back to specific European countries.

Black Americans who were descendants from slaves cannot easily traces back their roots and have more trouble defining their identity. That is why they forged their African-Amreican culture within the US and band together to promote it.

I'm white but I don't practice some Anglo-Saxon American stuff like drinking tall glasses of milk for lunch or supper and I don't celebrate Thanksgiving because I'm a 1st gen; my parents never grew up with that holiday and don't give a fuck about it.

White people in the US know nothing about European culture. Ancestry != culture

 

[gutter_trash]

White people in the US know nothing about European culture. Ancestry != culture

Then celebrate American culture as a whole then. If you trace back 4,5,6 different roots after 3 or 4 generations or more. You are mutated into what is present day American culture.

 

[marrec]

White people in the US know nothing about European culture. Ancestry != culture

Well then maybe they should start a European History and Culture club that is really a front for a racist organization.

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

Then celebrate American culture as a whole then. If you trace back 4,5,6 different roots after 3 or 4 generations or more. You are mutated into what is present day American culture.

to be fair, black Americans should stop identifying with their African roots (considering there's hardly any influence anymore) and just call their culture American culture too, just cuz they've had a hand in shaping modern American culture

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Then celebrate American culture as a whole then. If you trace back 4,5,6 different roots after 3 or 4 generations or more. You are mutated into what is present day American culture.

American culture is an amalgam. Everyone lives in a subculture of some sort, whether you define it by race, background, affluence, geography or whatever. People who live in rural Georgia have almost nothing in common culturally with people who live in San Francisco.

 

[SmokyDave]

I find the American focus on ancestry and heritage baffling. As far as I'm concerned, if your mum was born in America, your dad was born in America, and you were born in America, you're American. That's the top and bottom of it whether you're black, white or anything inbetween. No need to trace back that 1/32th Irish part or whatever. Still, I guess people like to feel they have roots elsewhere for whatever reason and it ain't hurting anyone.

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

I find the American focus on ancestry and heritage baffling. As far as I'm concerned, if your mum was born in America, your dad was born in America, and you were born in America, you're American. That's the top and bottom of it. No need to trace back that 1/32th Irish part or whatever. Still, I guess people like to feel they have roots elsewhere for whatever reason and it ain't hurting anyone.

wrong. you're American when you're a citizen.

 

[Jangocube]

That's right. Everyone opposed to this is a racist. You totally nailed it.

I didn't say that everyone that opposes this is a racist. Put down the white russians.

 

[SmokyDave]

wrong. you're American when you're a citizen.

I'm not really sure what you're saying. Nationality supercedes ethnicity?

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

I'm not really sure what you're saying. Nationality supercedes ethnicity?

you imply that a person can only be American if both of their parents were born in America, alon with the person,

whereas I'm saying you're wrong, and a person can be American by being a citizen, irrespective of where they or their parents are born

 

[Dude Abides]

I didn't say that everyone that opposes this is a racist. Put down the white russians.

It's not my fault you're bad at expressing yourself.

 

[SmokyDave]

you imply that a person can only be American if both of their parents were born in America, alon with the person,

That wasn't what I was trying to say. I'm suggesting it's a bit daft to call yourself 'Italian-American' or 'English-American' or 'African-American' or 'Welsh-American' if you were born in the US and your parents were too. The prefix seems utterly unnecessary.

whereas I'm saying you're wrong, and a person can be American by being a citizen, irrespective of where they or their parents are born

Sure, that's the opposite sentiment from the one I'm describing though.

 

[Jangocube]

It's not my fault you're bad at expressing yourself.

Or you just can't read? I never deemed all people that disagree with this as racists against white people. But maybe you read too much into something and come up with your own biased conclusion. Shocking

 

[shadowsdarknes]

*shrug* 'White pride' carries some negative implications, but I don't think it's something that for sure implies racism. Regardless, if it makes these people happy to congregate like this, and they're harmless - whatevs.

Honestly, student unions based on ethnicity have always made me uncomfy, but whatever makes people happy and keeps them harmless.

I'm white and proud of it. It merely is because I am proud of who I am and wouldn't want to really change anything. I don't think I am better than anyone.

However, I have sat in on a Black Student Union meeting at my University and I had some harsh preconceived notions about their intentions. It was a good experience and it was very welcoming to someone white like myself. My campus is heavily white and the BSU talks about issues of trust, culture, and of course, philanthropy.

 

[Dude Abides]

Or you just can't read? I never deemed all people that disagree with this as racists against white people. But maybe you read too much into something and come up with your own biased conclusion. Shocking

Someone asked why people would oppose this and you said racism, nothing else. Good to see you backpedaling so furiously, though, since it was such a dumb thing to say.

 

[gutter_trash]

American culture is an amalgam. Everyone lives in a subculture of some sort, whether you define it by race, background, affluence, geography or whatever. People who live in rural Georgia have almost nothing in common culturally with people who live in San Francisco.

you don't need reassurances if you are part of the majority within your geographical location.

If a farmer boy moves into the big city, he should just start up a ''farm boy'' club to help rural people adapt to life in urban centers then

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I'm white and proud of it. It merely is because I am proud of who I am and wouldn't want to really change anything. I don't think I am better than anyone.

What does being white mean to you? How do you define white. Being proud to be american, southern, texan or something like that isn't racist. Its the white frame that is.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

you don't need reassurances if you are part of the majority within your geographical location.

If a farmer boy moves into the big city, he should just start up a ''farm boy'' club to help rural people adapt to life in urban centers then

Why do you assume that this is about reassurance or acclimation? Georgia Southern is almost entirely white and black people.

 

[Jangocube]

Someone asked why people would oppose this and you said racism, nothing else. Good to see you backpedaling so furiously, though, since it was such a dumb thing to say.

There is a difference between being a racist human being and being selectively discriminatory based on race when it helps to promote an agenda or your own self-bias's.

I'm betting you call people "crazy" that disagree with you a lot huh?

See Chappelle Just in case you don't get the analogy

 

[Dude Abides]

There is a difference between being a racist human being and being selectively discriminatory based on race when it helps to promote an agenda or your own self-bias's.

I'm betting you call people "crazy" that disagree with you a lot huh?

See Chappelle Just in case you don't the analogy

You said racism. Own your words.

I certainly "don't the analogy" or "self-bias's," whatever that's supposed to mean. You're not making any sense.

 

[gutter_trash]

Why do you assume that this is about reassurance or acclimation? Georgia Southern is almost entirely white and black people.

even if they worship the same God, they still attend separate segregated Churches.

There is still levels of soft segregation alive today

 

[Jangocube]

You said racism. Own your words.

I certainly "don't the analogy" or "self-bias's," whatever that's supposed to mean. You're not making any sense.

I didn't just say racist though. I said selectively racist, or selectively discriminatory. But you can cherry pick all day if ya want, I got work to go to.

 

[Dude Abides]

I didn't just say racist though. I said selectively racist, or selectively discriminatory. But you can cherry pick all day if ya want, I got work to go to.

Uh huh. They do things out of racism but they're not racists. Because selectively or something. Very convincing.

 

[Enron]

How exactly does something like this happen in Atlanta of all places? I could somewhat understand it coming from a back end rural town, but Atlanta? It's one of the more multicultural and diverse places in the US. There's the old south, and than Atlanta sort of caught up in between.

Because Atlanta is a large metro area with 5.something million people, so you get all kinds.

Also, this shit club will have like 10 idealistic dweeb 19 year olds in its membership. I don't think I'd worry about "How could this happen in Atlanta??!!!!"

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I find the American focus on ancestry and heritage baffling. As far as I'm concerned, if your mum was born in America, your dad was born in America, and you were born in America, you're American. That's the top and bottom of it whether you're black, white or anything inbetween. No need to trace back that 1/32th Irish part or whatever. Still, I guess people like to feel they have roots elsewhere for whatever reason and it ain't hurting anyone.

It's bound to happen with a nation of immigrants, the country itself is only a few hundred years old and many people can trace their roots to another country in as few steps as asking their parent or grandparent where they personally immigrated from.

 

[Shamrock7r]

Obviously nowhere near the level some minorities deal with on a regular basis, but affirmative action and similar polices do affect Anglo Americans in a negative way. I assume a white person going to college, who may have felt affected by such policies, and who sees other minority unions is attracted to something like this. It feeds on their insecurities of situation where "things aren't fair".

 

[SmokyDave]

It's bound to happen with a nation of immigrants, the country itself is only a few hundred years old and many people can trace their roots to another country in as few steps as asking their parent or grandparent where they personally immigrated from.

I get that, I just don't get why you'd adopt that heritage as your own. Parents, fair enough. Grandparents? Too far back. Going by that logic, I'd have to class myself as 'Irish-English' and not only would it sound a bit daft, it'd suggest that I had some sort of tie with Ireland, which I don't. I've no more personal connection with Ireland than I have Turkmenistan.

I don't really mean to sound as aggressive as I probably do, I've no real wish to tell people how to classify themselves or what elements of their family tree they should or shouldn't place importance on. I just find it a little odd myself.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

to be fair, black Americans should stop identifying with their African roots (considering there's hardly any influence anymore) and just call their culture American culture too, just cuz they've had a hand in shaping modern American culture

No

 

[firehawk12]

There's a Vice documentary about this guy. I like how he just doesn't get it.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

What does being white mean to you? How do you define white. Being proud to be american, southern, texan or something like that isn't racist. Its the white frame that is.

I am merely proud to be a member of my family who descends from Europe who happens to have white skin.

I am proud to be who I am. Whether I have white skin, black skin, or some sort of mix, I'm proud for what I have. I don't think I am better than anyone else.
I'm just grateful for what I have.

 

[JCX]

The main reason for ethnic groups or organizations is a shared experience.

The shared 'white experience' in America has usually revolved around oppressing non-whites. The only time white as a group is used is when its an issue that is framed as white vs. everyone else. Otherwise white is never used but rather Irish, German, Italian, American. Whites don't really self-identify as white when there is no "other" what shared thing do all whites share?

Its this dynamic that makes 'white entertainment television' such an appalling concept. White is almost never used as a framing device without more sinister motives to express the idea that others are lesser, not normal or outside the mainstream

Best short explanation of this I have read.

Obviously nowhere near the level some minorities deal with on a regular basis, but affirmative action and similar polices do affect Anglo Americans in a negative way. I assume a white person going to college, who may have felt affected by such policies, and who sees other minority unions is attracted to something like this. It feeds on their insecurities of situation where "things aren't fair".

From what I understand, white women are/were beneficiaries of AA policies.

 

[readLeader]

There's a Vice documentary about this guy.

So far, I've seen two Vice documentaries. One was about some company growing psychedelic truffels, done by an acidhead, the other was about iirc Cuban teenage boys having sex with donkeys, done by a stereotypical alternative dude.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Is there a secret prize for the poster who spends the most time defending the White Student Union?

There's no reason to be intellectually dishonest and pretend it's anything other than a hate group; maybe one in its infancy, but still problematic.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

From what I understand, white women are/were beneficiaries of AA policies.

One of the biggest if memory serves.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

There's a Vice documentary about this guy. I like how he just doesn't get it.

It's a vigilante club with a laser focus on 'black crime' in neighborhoods. It's astonishing the amount of defenders this specific club is getting since it's effective message is a black monopoly of crimes against white people. They wear the 'white culture' mantle as a way to push the buttons of sanctioned minority groups on campus.

 

[firehawk12]

It's a vigilante club with a laser focus on 'black crime' in neighborhoods. It's astonishing the amount of defenders this specific club is getting since it's effective message is a black monopoly of crimes against white people.

Yeah, the group actually has a "Zimmerman" vibe to it, for lack of a better term.

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

No

i think you misunderstand me. i mean it as in, to stop considering wht they do as African american, and that it's just American.

Because black american culture, is not African culture.

 

[mj1108]

At my school they're just called the Young Republican Party club...

Exactly.

 

[ISOM]

i think you misunderstand me. i mean it as in, to stop considering wht they do as African american, and that it's just American.

Because black american culture, is not African culture.

I agree with this, black americans have done a lot to shape american culture from the , 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s etc

 

[Choke on the Magic]

I find the American focus on ancestry and heritage baffling. As far as I'm concerned, if your mum was born in America, your dad was born in America, and you were born in America, you're American. That's the top and bottom of it whether you're black, white or anything inbetween. No need to trace back that 1/32th Irish part or whatever. Still, I guess people like to feel they have roots elsewhere for whatever reason and it ain't hurting anyone.

Problem is that most Americans don't view it like that. There are places where I live that have different cultural societies. STL for example has quite a few German ones and a few Turkish culture groups. I don't know a single person who's a part of them, but they're there. STL in general is pretty segregated. We aren't as much of a melting pot as we're portrayed. We're more of a segregated veggie tray.

I don't see much point in having a white culture union at a school or university though. I usually just call it hanging out with my friends.

 

[Joel Was Right]

This example is identical to that whereby some complain that e.g. African-American History Month is perpetuating racial prejudice. You can either choose to feign ignorance and subscribe to the belief that such examples are indeed modern episodes of racial discrimination, or you can dismiss their value - either way, you're argument is weak if not suggestive of prejudice on your part.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

I love that they're so dumb they use the word "union" in their name.

 

[Killer]

Get back confederate money while you at it .

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Don't know why you guys are so upset at this. They just want to sit around and talk about white brotherhood.

 

[Ourobolus]

I think we should all just cool our heads a little bit in here. Why don't we all just go back and take a nice hot shower.

Say it with me:
HOT SHOWER HOT SHOWER HOT SHOWER

 

[SmokyDave]

Problem is that most Americans don't view it like that. There are places where I live that have different cultural societies. STL for example has quite a few German ones and a few Turkish culture groups. I don't know a single person who's a part of them, but they're there. STL in general is pretty segregated. We aren't as much of a melting pot as we're portrayed. We're more of a segregated veggie tray.

I don't see much point in having a white culture union at a school or university though. I usually just call it hanging out with my friends.

I was going to come back and add a bit to that post to acknowledge the fact that I was ignoring the differences between nationality, ethnicity, and culture. I do get it to a degree, on reflection.