White Student Union came down to Georgia State

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Have some friends who go to this school, I actually know a guy who interviewed the dude starting the club. They only have 5 members and no faculty advisor, they aren't even a qualified club.
 
As a half-black individual, If one of these started at a campus I was a student at, I would join immediately.
 
Timedog said:
As a half-black individual, If one of these started at a campus I was a student at, I would join immediately.
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MorisUkunRasik said:
There are international/foreign student unions and I believe there are Irish/Italian etc heritage type clubs
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ReiGun said:
I've seen white people who have tremendous pride in and celebrations for being Irish, Italian, Jewish, and so on. If someone wanted to make a college association under those banners - and I'm sure many people do - most would not have a problem. But a White Student Union? What exactly are you celebrating or identifying with? That's a pretty huge banner. Especially in America where I can't really think of some unified, shared experience that really unites even the three groups I mentioned (beyond just being white, of course).
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I think these two posts sum it up. I'm pretty sure my school had cultural clubs for some different western european cultures. That's fine. This student union looks to be more about what the confederate flag stands for lol.

Also what is "white pride" I don't even understand what that means, being white is so easy in the US, you don't get profiled by cops or pulled over or anything. What do you need to congregate and be proud of? Minorities are celebrated to try to pull them up since they haven't always had the same chance.

Spork4000 said:
Have some friends who go to this school, I actually know a guy who interviewed the dude starting the club. They only have 5 members and no faculty advisor, they aren't even a qualified club.
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So it's 5 confederate flag toters who call themselves a club and it's made national news

lol, non-news really. There are idiots everywhere
 
If we're still supporting black and latino unions, then I don't see the problem. Stopping whites from having their own union is contrary to a free and equal society.

Personally, I think they should all be banned. The idea of fighting racism with racism is ridiculous and its time we moved past it.
 
I don't think this is racist at all and it's a good idea.

People are way too sensitive these days.

Power to them.
 
erawsd said:
If we're still supporting black and latino unions, then I don't see the problem. Stopping whites from having their own union is contrary to a free and equal society.

Personally, I think they should all be banned. The idea of fighting racism with racism is ridiculous and its time we moved past it.
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It's like you don't even know what a union is for.
 
erawsd said:
If we're still supporting black and latino unions, then I don't see the problem. Stopping whites from having their own union is contrary to a free and equal society.

Personally, I think they should all be banned. The idea of fighting racism with racism is ridiculous and its time we moved past it.
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You don't know what racism is.
 
erawsd said:
Personally, I think they should all be banned. The idea of fighting racism with racism is ridiculous and its time we moved past it.
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Wait what? Where did you get the idea that black/asian/latino student minorities are racist? Or even fighting racism, for that matter? A lot of these groups are just about fostering a community within a society where they are the minority.
 
Artemisia said:
Wait what? Where did you get the idea that black/asian/latino student minorities are racist? Or even fighting racism, for that matter? A lot of these groups are just about fostering a community within a society where they are the minority.
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I didn't say that the students were racist. The idea that white unions are not ok, while others are is exactly what racism is.
 
erawsd said:
The idea that white unions are not ok, while others are is exactly what racism is.
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Creating a white community is pointless because it sort of goes against what these unions are for. They bring minorities together, giving them confidence in the fact that they are not alone, and that there are people like them who will have experience in the problems that come with being a minority. Because white people are 1) not a minority and 2) don't face discrimination/racism like minorities do, white unions typically turn into white supremacist gatherings.

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Artemisia said:
Creating a white community is pointless because it sort of goes against what these unions are for. They bring minorities together, giving them confidence in the fact that they are not alone, and that there are people like them who will have experience in the problems that come with being a minority. Because white people are 1) not a minority and 2) don't face discrimination/racism like minorities do, white unions typically turn into white supremacist gatherings.

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The idea that all white kids are walking around feeling good about themselves just because they're white is ridiculous. All kids need that type of encouragement and confidence. Student unions and alliances are great things -- I'm not attacking them in a general sense.

What I have a problem with are unions that divide the student body purely by race, all of this encourages the us vs them mentality. However, if you're going to argue that black kids need black kids tohelp deal with these experiences; then I don't see why we need to stop white kids from connecting with other white kids for the same reason.

Either way its a shame, if we encourage race division then we will forever have race division.
 
Artemisia said:
Creating a white community is pointless because it sort of goes against what these unions are for. They bring minorities together, giving them confidence in the fact that they are not alone, and that there are people like them who will have experience in the problems that come with being a minority. Because white people are 1) not a minority and 2) don't face discrimination/racism like minorities do, white unions typically turn into white supremacist gatherings.
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Regarding point #2, I know what you mean but you may want to clarify that point. Whites can certainly experience discrimination and racism. However in the US that typically won't fuck them out of a job. White people can also speak their regional dialects without being looked at as uneducated and poor, whereas Black people are forced to abandon African American Vernacular English to get ahead in life even though AAVE is a legitimate language with its own grammar rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English
 
erawsd said:
The idea that all white kids are walking around feeling good about themselves just because they're white is ridiculous. All kids need that type of encouragement and confidence. Student unions and alliances are great things -- I'm not attacking them in a general sense.

What I have a problem with are unions that divide the student body purely by race, all of this encourages the us vs them mentality. However, if you're going to argue that black kids need black kids tohelp deal with these experiences; then I don't see why we need to stop white kids from connecting with other white kids for the same reason.

Either way its a shame, if we encourage race division then we will forever have race division.
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Minorities didn't start or are continuing any division. These unions were created to give a voice to people that were ignored, excluded, etc.
 
Another case of few white people being delusional. There are black/asian/etc. student unions because up until recently white america didn't want to mix with those groups. Or in the case of blacks they had their culture taken away from them through years of oppression. White people can tell you that they are Irish on their mom's side and Italian on their Father's side, most of black america can't do that. Most black people in america can't tell you anything about their african heritage because that was stripped from their ancestors by white america. White culture is american culture. Anyone who is part of a white american culture club like the WSU at GS is an idiot.
 
what the hell is white identity? I mean yeah I am white, im half german, half italian, I guess I can identify with my heritage from those places?


I do enjoy bratwurst on my pizza....
 
You know, I'll gladly accept the idea of white history month and a 'white student union' to celebrate it on a couple of conditions:
- It should only involve European history and not White American history with details on the lineages of every major European royal family, and every important decision from Ancient Greece up until the Cold War including their social and economical ramifications.
- It should be hard as fuck. Think of that episode of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air where Vivian thinks Carlton and Will should go above the call of duty because they are black when they demand to have black history month and should be more involved.
- It should be mandatory for everybody that complains about black history month or that is part of a white student union.
- It should be a do-over your entire year if you fail course. I mean, if you can't even get your own heritage right, you obviously aren't worthy of graduating anyway.
 
While I'm relieved that most of GAF sees the WSU for what it is, I'm also saddened that people some people smart enough to use a computer are defending it, or worse yet trying to say minority student unions are racist.
 
Joni said:
You know, I'll gladly accept the idea of white history month and a 'white student union' to celebrate it on a couple of conditions:
- It should only involve European history and not White American history with details on the lineages of every major European royal family, and every important decision from Ancient Greece up until the Cold War including their social and economical ramifications.
- It should be hard as fuck. Think of that episode of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air where Vivian thinks Carlton and Will should go above the call of duty because they are black when they demand to have black history month and should be more involved.
- It should be mandatory for everybody that complains about black history month or that is part of a white student union.
- It should be a do-over your entire year if you fail course. I mean, if you can't even get your own heritage right, you obviously aren't worthy of graduating anyway.
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I don't think you understand how American college works.
 
Labor said:
While I'm relieved that most of GAF sees the WSU for what it is, I'm also saddened that people some people smart enough to use a computer are defending it, or worse yet trying to say minority student unions are racist.
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Well there's defending it and then there's defending their right to have it. It's incredibly stupid, but if they want have a WSU they can go right ahead while I mock them with Chappelle's Show references.
 
Labor said:
I don't think you understand how American college works.
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Isn't it possible to enforce mandatory classes? I'd assume depending on your major you'd be forced to follow certain classes already. Wouldn't it be possible to enforce stuff like that depending on your student union too? Aside from that, black history month isn't in colleges either though, it is in high schools, right? Where you also have the possibility of student unions and probably a lot of students complaining about black history month if Twitter has taught me anything. I never said my idea would have to be enforced in colleges.
 
Artemisia said:
Creating a white community is pointless because it sort of goes against what these unions are for. They bring minorities together, giving them confidence in the fact that they are not alone, and that there are people like them who will have experience in the problems that come with being a minority. Because white people are 1) not a minority and 2) don't face discrimination/racism like minorities do, white unions typically turn into white supremacist gatherings.

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Facing it right now in your post and at every school they apply to. Sometimes when applying for a job as well. People justify this type of behavior by saying that white people don't need the leg up that non-whites do. But there are plenty of poor white people just as there are plenty of rich black people, etc.

So explain to me why you are justifying racism as opposed to providing an advantage to the underprivileged? If what you wanted wasn't racist you would base these things on another factor, such as wealth, not skin color. This is why they formed a student union, and good for them.
 
Joni said:
Isn't it possible to enforce mandatory classes? I'd assume depending on your major you'd be forced to follow certain classes already. Wouldn't it be possible to enforce stuff like that depending on your student union too? Aside from that, black history month isn't in colleges either though, it is in high schools, right? Where you also have the possibility of student unions and probably a lot of students complaining about black history month if Twitter has taught me anything. I never said my idea would have to be enforced in colleges.
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Most major universities do acknowledge various cultural history months/weeks/whatever in some way. For example...

When I attended Ohio State, aside from the general acknowledgement of Black History Month in February, there was an African American Heritage festival over a weekend in May. It was basically a change to watch people drive slowly around campus in rented cars, go to some fun parties, and socialize with other African Americans. The white students on campus, however, called it "the blackout" and usually deserted the area for that weekend. Now, these are the same students who flipped cars over and set couches on fire after football games. Maybe if they'd had a union they would have felt safer...
 
Tylahedras said:
Facing it right now in your post and at every school they apply to. Sometimes when applying for a job as well. People justify this type of behavior by saying that white people don't need the leg up that non-whites do. But there are plenty of poor white people just as there are plenty of rich black people, etc.

So explain to me why you are justifying racism as opposed to providing an advantage to the underprivileged? If what you wanted wasn't racist you would base these things on another factor, such as wealth, not skin color. This is why they formed a student union, and good for them.
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In the job market it's better to be poor and white than to be black. White people don't need a leg up. I've walked into job interviews after having people like me during phone interviews only to have the interviewer's feelings change because I'm black. I literally see them deflate when I walk into their office for the face to face.
 
Tylahedras said:
Facing it right now in your post and at every school they apply to. Sometimes when applying for a job as well. People justify this type of behavior by saying that white people don't need the leg up that non-whites do. But there are plenty of poor white people just as there are plenty of rich black people, etc.

So explain to me why you are justifying racism as opposed to providing an advantage to the underprivileged? If what you wanted wasn't racist you would base these things on another factor, such as wealth, not skin color. This is why they formed a student union, and good for them.
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Artemisia is saying that they don't face it like minorities do, which is to say in an institutionalized and widespread fashion, not that they don't get it at all. And class discrimination is different from race discrimination, although the two can often be linked.

Supporting minority student unions is not justifying racism. We band together to help us deal with issues that the majority does not have to face, or may even in fact be responsible for. Also, some minority student unions have white members-that is largely dependent on the individual union. The WSU on the other hand is a not-even-thinly-veiled hate group on the rise. If you think that's a good thing, then that's an opinion you're free to have, but don't try to put forward something else.
 
Tylahedras said:
Facing it right now in your post and at every school they apply to. Sometimes when applying for a job as well. People justify this type of behavior by saying that white people don't need the leg up that non-whites do. But there are plenty of poor white people just as there are plenty of rich black people, etc.

So explain to me why you are justifying racism as opposed to providing an advantage to the underprivileged? If what you wanted wasn't racist you would base these things on another factor, such as wealth, not skin color. This is why they formed a student union, and good for them.
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If you haven't learned on here by now, there is a very vocal group of users that will scream racism/bigotry at any person defending certain rights for white people, while at the same time championing those for minorites, all the while screaming "equality", because you know, every white person grows up with a mom and a dad and lots of money and lots of friends and a college fund and is never discriminated against in any capacity. It's incredibly hypocritical.
 
Tylahedras said:
Facing it right now in your post and at every school they apply to. Sometimes when applying for a job as well. People justify this type of behavior by saying that white people don't need the leg up that non-whites do. But there are plenty of poor white people just as there are plenty of rich black people, etc.

So explain to me why you are justifying racism as opposed to providing an advantage to the underprivileged? If what you wanted wasn't racist you would base these things on another factor, such as wealth, not skin color. This is why they formed a student union, and good for them.
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When charged with a crime it is better to be white. When applying for jobs it is better to be white. When applying for loans it is better to be white.

This goes beyond wealth. A black Harvard professor got arrested for going into his own house.
 
Shamrock7r said:
If you haven't learned on here by now, there is a very vocal group of users that will scream racism/bigotry at any person defending certain rights for white people, while at the same time championing those for minorites, all the while screaming "equality", because you know, every white person grows up with a mom and a dad and lots of money and lots of friends and a college fund and is never discriminated against in any capacity. It's incredibly hypocritical.
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I'm debating internally whether it's even worth it to keep trying when gems like this pop up...
 
Shamrock7r said:
If you haven't learned on here by now, there is a very vocal group of users that will scream racism/bigotry at any person defending certain rights for white people, while at the same time championing those for minorites, all the while screaming "equality", because you know, every white person grows up with a mom and a dad and lots of money and lots of friends and a college fund and is never discriminated against in any capacity. It's incredibly hypocritical.
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Are you honestly trying to insinuate that minorities shouldn't be bothered by being downtrodden? Are you honestly trying to insinuate that minorities and whites have the same opportunities?

White people can be discrimated against, but don't me give this bullshit that they're the victims of a bunch of minorities ganging up them.

Oh and please enlighten me to what rights whites are missing out on.
 
The ideal world version of a white student union doesn't sound inherently horrible, but the reality of it seems to not work out.
 
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