On this date two years ago, Aziz Shavershian (Zyzz) died.

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Yeah, why do people still hero worship him after the discovery of steroid use to get to where he was? Anytime people mention him, it's in a positive light. The BB forums (and even here on GAF) are teeming with honest hardworking people that have transformed naturally. I just find it odd that they don't get the fame while a fraud does? Or is it being done ironically? bah

He's an angel. You don't badmouth angels.
 

Madness

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TBH, his physique is easily attainable if you give yourself time (5-10 years depending on various factors).

Jeff Seid on the other hand (claiming natural) not so much. Same goes for BB pros and many fitness models.

It really isn't... The Zyzz we saw is not who he really was. It was the Zyzz who would starve his body of carbs and then load up on weekends to look full. It was the Zyzz who went beyond simple tanning, to injecting himself with Melanotan peptides, the Zyzz who was on tren/test and who knows what else.

His physique just isn't attainable naturally, no matter how many years you spend at the gym. Could you look similar? Sure. Put in the hours, make sure you have a great diet, and you could look bigger, but nowhere close. He went from like 130 to 200+ pounds with a low body fat in under 3 years.
 

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I refuse to believe he had an undiagnosed heart condition. His mom worked in cardiology at a hospital if I remember correctly.

What exactly does that mean? It's damn near impossible to actually identify a lot of these congenital heart diseases in young men. Just because his mum worked on a cardiology ward doesn't mean he didn't have an undiagnosed heart condition.
 

IceCold

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I think people focus too much at the steroid use. I look at the overall transformation overall. But if we are talking about strictly physical, even with steroids, it's an achievement. You won't achieve what he has without working very hard. Don't let the juicing fool you. And regardless of what he did on his personal life, anybody that decides to change their life around is an inspiration. Yes he died because he was foolish but that's life. He made a choice and knew the risks. But a lot of people feel like turning their life around and never do (I'm not talking about just weightlifting here). They are either too scared, or lack drive but they always tell themselves they'll start next month but instead they end up staying indoors and bitch about their situation on the internet.

Obviously it would have been better for people to be inspired by natural lifters but people aren't just attracted to numbers and 1RMs but also to big personalities and their story.
 

Imm0rt4l

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I refuse to believe he had an undiagnosed heart condition. His mom worked in cardiology at a hospital if I remember correctly.

It's a simple case of 2-3 steroid cycles a year since age 19, coupled with excessive partying using recreational drugs. I don't want to speak ill of the guy since he's passed away, but he's been taking a myriad of steroids since the start.

He was a friendly guy who made some trollish videos. In the end, it was all for naught as his life ended too early. RIP Aziz.
It was undiagnosed, which doeant necessarily mean it was congenial but a result of the fuck ton of steroids he was on like you said.
 
I refuse to believe he had an undiagnosed heart condition. His mom worked in cardiology at a hospital if I remember correctly.

It's a simple case of 2-3 steroid cycles a year since age 19, coupled with excessive partying using recreational drugs.

Yup. Please tell me I am not the only one that has been close to going to the emergency room from excess?

Tell me am not the only one who thought he was having a heart attack when mixing Speed stack for the gym, then puffing on bad shit after?

You need something to wake you up, you need something to help you sleep. Sorry I am just rambling now. I am clean for 2 years now.

I do load on caffeine before the gym though. Its just your heart can only take so much.
 
It really isn't... The Zyzz we saw is not who he really was. It was the Zyzz who would starve his body of carbs and then load up on weekends to look full. It was the Zyzz who went beyond simple tanning, to injecting himself with Melanotan peptides, the Zyzz who was on tren/test and who knows what else.

His physique just isn't attainable naturally, no matter how many years you spend at the gym. Could you look similar? Sure. Put in the hours, make sure you have a great diet, and you could look bigger, but nowhere close. He went from like 130 to 200+ pounds with a low body fat in under 3 years.


His physique pre stomach tattoo is very attainable. Post tattoo? Now way. He got very big in the end
 

Imm0rt4l

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His physique pre stomach tattoo is very attainable. Post tattoo? Now way. He got very big in the end
This. Zyzz wasn't even that big especially for his height. This is what makes him less impressive, the amount of drugs while still being pretty skinny. He was hulking at the end of his life though. I think he was 220ish and <10% bf.


Speaking of tats I think it's lame that these guys get veni vedi vici tats on their chest.
 

Madness

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His physique pre stomach tattoo is very attainable. Post tattoo? Now way. He got very big in the end

I guess. Depends on your level of dedication to the gym and whether your diet and training are on point. It's hard to know with Zyzz because like a year after he started lifting, he was talking about taking deca and sus250. His bro was trainer at gym, used to sell roids in Aus.

He did get very big in the end, when he passed away, I saw some pics of him in Thailand and with some rose tattoo covering his veni vidi vici tattoo, looked to be like 215+
 

ZiZ

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From what I can tell the dude seems to be a huge douchebag.
He treats women like shit.
He's full of himself.
Lies about using steroids.

and yet people worship him.
 

IceCold

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From what I can tell the dude seems to be a huge douchebag.
He treats women like shit.
He's full of himself.
Lies about using steroids.

and yet people worship him.

Do you know of any god that isn't an asshole? He's the son of Zeus brah.
 

Jenov

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People like to attribute a lot of his transformation to his workouts and steriod use, but really he was just growing out of being a teenager. Most males don't finish fully growing until their 20s where they gain the majority of their muscle bulk. It's pretty obvious that that's why there's such a disparity between his before and after pics, he's literally still a kid in the before.
 

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when I have sex I'm going to give it up thinking of Zyzz and what he did for me


i'll whisper in the air "yeah bro...i'm mirin"
 
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Other than the douchie clothes, the guy looked way more healthy in the top picture than the bottom picture.

Define "healthy". The only visible difference between the two is lean mass; in the first picture he is underweight, in the second he has an above average amount of muscle. The only downsides to that health-wise came from the guy being egotistical and image obsessed and shooting himself full of PEDs to get there.

People like to attribute a lot of his transformation to his workouts and steriod use, but really he was just growing out of being a teenager. Most males don't finish fully growing until their 20s where they gain the majority of their muscle bulk. It's pretty obvious that that's why there's such a disparity between his before and after pics, he's literally still a kid in the before.

LMAO not sure if serious. He was on stupid amounts of roids (for someone in his position) from pretty much day dot. Sure it makes the transformation more drastic, but there's no way a skinny kid naturally 'filling out' puts on anywhere near as much lean mass in the same timeframe as he did.
 
From what I can tell the dude seems to be a huge douchebag.
He treats women like shit.
He's full of himself.
Lies about using steroids.

and yet people worship him.

This is the vibe i always got from him, seeing how he treats women it always surprised me how much love he got on gaf

Then again I dont know a ton about him so I could be totally wrong
 

Madness

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People like to attribute a lot of his transformation to his workouts and steriod use, but really he was just growing out of being a teenager. Most males don't finish fully growing until their 20s where they gain the majority of their muscle bulk. It's pretty obvious that that's why there's such a disparity between his before and after pics, he's literally still a kid in the before.

You're joking right? He was fully grown. Very few people grow past age 18 if at all. He was already about 6'1" by age 19.

His transformation is due to the fact all he did was workout, eat, and take steroids for large periods of the year. There's a disparity because the sheer amount of steroids he did transformed him. Just like it did his brother.

By the end, he was taking some of the most potent steroids available, things like trenbolone enanthate, test enanthate at 600 mg a week etc.
 

Imm0rt4l

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One thing I don't care about zyzz is some of his more adoring fans who go out of their way to imitate him. Zyzz unknowingly gave us jeff seid, who is largely a reason why scooby isn't around anymore.

Jeff pls go.
 

KillGore

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One thing I don't care about zyzz is some of his more adoring fans who go out of their way to imitate him. Zyzz unknowingly gave us jeff seid, who is largely a reason why scooby isn't around anymore.

Jeff pls go.

I had to look up who Jeff Seid is...holy shit.

What country was Zyzz from? What about Jeff?
 

Chinner

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One thing I don't care about zyzz is some of his more adoring fans who go out of their way to imitate him. Zyzz unknowingly gave us jeff seid, who is largely a reason why scooby isn't around anymore.

Jeff pls go.

what happened to scooby? he owned :(
 
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