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Movie was awesome. One of the few movies I actually enjoyed more in 3D.

Could do without the cheese and bad acting though. Fights were awesome and I thought the CG was some of the best I've seen.
 
NoRéN;74922527 said:
This is what happens when people go in wanting to hate something. Opinion had been formed already.

This is just the part where they must let everyone know.

i think he went to see Grown Ups 2 by accident.


Holy shit, assume much? ... is this like required thinking. "oh, he clearly had his mind made up". Good job at being completely wrong.

I attempted to drag my friend to come with me to see this on opening night at IMAX. I'm a huge MECH fan and was really excited to see this film; expectations were set to "who fucking cares! Skyscraper tall robots versus monsters!"

But eh, I've seen better action sequences and characterization in anime. -- WTF is up GAF these days? you either have to have undying devotion or hate it with a fiery passion? you can't simply not enjoy it as much as the next person. No, no that's not possible. OT is actually a Love-in thread in disguise, go figure..........
 
I've must of seen a completely different film. Both me and my younger cousin could barely stay awake. Aside from a good (battle?) scene here and there, it was boring. We found ourselves not really caring for any of the characters on screen.

That's understandable, I think. I went into the movie expecting big, dumb and stupid, and what I got was big, dumb and fun. I liked it. It was the perfect mindless summer blockbuster movie, and it looked incredible.
 
Doesn't change the fact that the main character was a sculpted wooden board in a blond wig. Was he blond? I can't actually remember. That's how much of an impression he left.
Yeah this was the one big thing that bothered me. I didn't care about who was right in the science theory sub-plot, Idris Elba was a super reserved military type, main character just seemed like a regular dude who happened to be good with jaeger, Mako was kinda childish peering through her door like a 12 year old girl.

Where is this movie's Snake Plissken?

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Holy shit, assume much? ... is this like required thinking. "oh, he clearly had his mind made up". Good job at being completely wrong.

I attempted to drag my friend to come with me to see this on opening night at IMAX. I'm a huge MECH fan and was really excited to see this film; expectations were set to "who fucking cares! Skyscraper tall robots versus monsters!"

But eh, I've seen better action sequences and characterization in anime. -- WTF is up GAF these days? you either have to have undying devotion or hate it with a fiery passion? you can't simply not enjoy it as much as the next person. No, no that's not possible. OT is actually a Love-in thread in disguise, go figure..........

i'm just kidding. it's okay if you didn't like it.
 
Anyone know where I can buy Gypsy Danger for a normal price?

I have one where the packaging is kinda beat up (the figure is mint) that I could sell you at cost ($17) and shipping just message me

Snaku said:
Yeah but he's the only one there that isn't a mech.

I assume the artist was going for the fact that each one fought big monsters and was piloted by a human (Ultraman while not a Mech was "piloted" in a sense by the Human who turned into Ultraman)
 
Sorry guys, I'm glad all of you seem to have collectively enjoyed it and are sharing in your various favorite parts, but I honesty hated the movie from start to finish.

Cliche/cheesy writing
Bad acting
ho hum CG

Sorry, I just did not like it on any level.

Agreed. I'm sad that this is supposed to be the great western take on the giant robot genre. None of it felt genuine or inspired to me, and no amount of technical prowess (even though I found the technical aspect of the movie very cheap and poor as well) could hide that.

A quote by Syd Mead sums up my thoughts about this movie:

"don't assume that technique alone will save your ass. It still is the idea that wins...every time. Remember that elaborate technique and dumb story produces a demo reel, not a narrative."

That is what this (and just about all other blockbuster movies I guess) felt like to me. Like a demo reel.
 
People are in love with this movie, so they don't see the flaws or really care about them, glaring as they may be. Other people see this love, and rush to 'sharp knees. would not bang.' That's just the way of the world. While I enjoyed the movie, it's deeply flawed in pacing, plot, and some characters. That's ignoring all the defying physics stuff going on, which I'm happy to do. Doesn't change the fact that the main character was a sculpted wooden board in a blond wig. Was he blond? I can't actually remember. That's how much of an impression he left.

You bring up some good points. I also loved to love this movie more that I actually loved it, and part of that is because the world does need more movies with cool fights and outlandish concepts and this movie's success might give me that.

Though regarding the main character: Charlie Hunnam does a very good job playing as Jackson "Jax" Teller in Sons of Anarchy (which also features a very devious and dangerous Ron Perlman as his stepdad Clay Morrow by the way). What I like about the characters he portrays is that they have a kind of disarming charm about them that actually manages to bring people together (as was the case in the film as well in a way). I also think that Del Toro might have purposefully directed Charlie's role a bit like a blank slate, hollow, "game avatar-ish" character, don't you think?

Why is Ultraman there?

And speaking of Ultraman, just yesterday I watched parts of the two English animated movies again for the first time since my childhood (after always having remembered parts of them). I even somewhat liked them despite them being essentially butchered versions of the 50 episode spanning anime series The Ultraman. Has anyone of you any familiarity with the Ultraman live action stuff? How does it compare to the Godzilla movies and is any of it worth checking out?

(And on a very unrelated side note, I also rediscovered two other old anime movies that I had been searching for for many years: Techno Police 21C and Jungle Boy Kenya. Both are silly, but also quite good in their own ways. I mean, you can't go wrong with remote controlled robots fighting an AI driven super tank, or with rhino's and hippo's fighting to the death or a giant friendly snake fighting a t-rex now can you?)
 
And speaking of Ultraman, just yesterday I watched parts of the two English animated movies again for the first time since my childhood (after always having remembered parts of them). I even somewhat liked them despite them being essentially butchered versions of the 50 episode spanning anime series The Ultraman. Has anyone of you any familiarity with the Ultraman live action stuff? How does it compare to the Godzilla movies and is any of it worth checking out?
The first few shows (Ultra Q until Return of Ultraman) compare well to the classic Godzilla movies. The formula is overall similiar but those had a lot more of Toho's ex -staff working on than later series. Including many Actors known from the Godzilla movies and even director Ishiro Honda in some of Return's episodes. Many early costumes were just reworked Toho kaiju and generally a lot of monster sounds can be heard by various Ultra-Kaiju.
 
I don't know what people expect out of a Giant Robot vs Giant Monster movie. /shrug

It's not a movie you go to for great acting. It's about the very definition of Summer Blockbuster as there can be. The CGI and 3D were both pretty great.


Just saw this in Level 7 ATMOS 3D. BAM!

Why does this movie bomba at the US box office?

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Because the movie was made for the anime-loving & hardcore gaming crowd.
 
I can"t hate on people who dislike PR because I like it for many of the reasons that they don;t.

- cheesy anime dialogue
- Gigantic robot suit up sequence
- skipping the origin story and jumping right into the action
- Wacky scientist/side character subplot


All are completely valid reasons to hate the movie, but I love PR because of them.
 
Interview with ILM animation director Hal Hickel:

Hal and the entire team at ILM put together some of the most complex scenes and characters they've ever constructed, all without using any motion capture. The gigantic Kaiju monsters have complete skeletal and muscular structures beneath their skin, which interact with the environment in an organic way. The Jaeger robots are each over 200 feet tall, with working parts that actually interact and connect, so it feels and looks and walks like a machine. To determine realistic physics, they would scale the speed and weight by 40 and apply those metrics to movements, all the while focusing on realism and del Toro's cinematic vision. As a big geek obsessed with all ILM has achieved, it is fascinating talking directly with the people who run the show.

This interview was conducted at a theater inside of ILM/Lucasfilm's offices in San Francisco. Earlier in the day were given a tour and presentation covering at the various stages of development on the CGI creatures and visual effects in the movie. I was given ~12 minutes to talk with Hal Hickel, animation supervisor on Pacific Rim, who first joined ILM in the late 90s and worked on The Lost World and The Phantom Menace. He won an Oscar in 2007 for working on the Davy Jones FX in Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.

Here is my full video interview with ILM animator Hal Hickel, recorded at Lucasfilm in San Francisco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7apgh60Xp8

Thank you to Hal Hickel (@halhickel) for his time, and to Warner Bros / ILM for arranging the interview. As I said right at the start of the interview, I'm a huge ILM nerd and was already geeked out that I had spent the afternoon inside the walls of Lucasfilm/ILM's offices. My focus was on Pacific Rim and all of the work ILM put into pulling off this movie, since Hickel wrote on twitter: "Pacific Rim has some of the largest, and most complex visual effects work that @ILMVFX has ever done. Really very proud of this one." If you've seen the movie, it shows in how perfectly choreographed and meticulous all the fights are. It's impressive.
 
Pacific rim was 2 movies to me.

part1
Frigging awesome fights, great CG, live action anime ho!!!!

part2
Terrible acting. Terrible script. Every possible cliche thrown into 1 movie.
They actually did the godamn closeup of the dog barking as a feelgood moment at the end of the movie.
The 2 scientists were just aweful. By jove? Really?
This movie was Battleship take 2, great effects, stuck with terrible actors for the most part. Elba shoulda been the lead, not the guy from Sons of Anarchy, he is incapable of carrying a movie.
Why not just ram the nuke up a dead kaijus ass?

The accents were terrible.
The whole drift mechanic was stupid as sin imo. If they are mentally interfacing with the Jaegers, why are they physically doing the actions in the cockpit? It was done so they could put the drama of 2 people having to get along.... meh
Cherno and Crimson down for the count that quick.... what was even the point? Oh, so wonderboy who hasn't piloted a Jaeger in how long can come back and save the day! /sad panda :(

Don't get me wrong, I loved the premise, and the execution of the fight scenes, but the movie as a whole was not good.

Still want a sequel however.
 
Why not just ram the nuke up a dead kaijus ass?

The whole drift mechanic was stupid as sin imo. If they are mentally interfacing with the Jaegers, why are they physically doing the actions in the cockpit? It was done so they could put the drama of 2 people having to get along.... meh

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Because the nuke got stuck on Striker Eureka's back after it got damaged by the Kaiju

2. They aren't mentally interfacing with the Jaeger, the two pilots are interfacing with each other to move as a single person while sharing the mental load of controlling the Jaeger. Left hemisphere, right hemisphere. The Jaeger obviously needs analog input like walking and arm movement, which is why they are in the cockpit and not remotely controlling it from the Shatterdome or whatever. Besides, what fun would it be if they were remote controlled? Come on now.
Of course this whole thing is a simple plot device for pairing up the two lead characters and doesn't make much sense, but that shouldn't really matter.
 
2. They aren't mentally interfacing with the Jaeger, the two pilots are interfacing with each other to move as a single person while sharing the mental load of controlling the Jaeger. Left hemisphere, right hemisphere. The Jaeger obviously needs analog input like walking and arm movement, which is why they are in the cockpit and not remotely controlling it from the Shatterdome or whatever. Besides, what fun would it be if they were remote controlled? Come on now.
Of course this whole thing is a simple plot device for pairing up the two lead characters and doesn't make much sense, but that shouldn't really matter.

Agreed on some levels. I liked it. Why? Because I have fun playing Dance Central and when you have a partner doing it with you, it's even more satisfying visually for observers when 2 people are in sync. A drone pilot setup would be boring as shit. Like I want to see the likes of Daigo and Justin Wong saving the world armed with Mad Catz arcade sticks. F that noise. Watch the video segment of GDT explaining the cockpit and how he built it. It's good stuff.
 

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Is it weird to think (admit) that I find these two pieces of art, to have more personality and humor than the main two characters during the entire movie?

Just saw this today, and I was really disappointed, even in the "It's a dumb, summer Blockbuster, just turn off your brain and enjoy it" Well.. I tried to turn off my brain but I kept being distracted by the very poor writing and boring main characters with cliche love story in the making...more than three times I found myself finishing the sentences of the characters before they did. Such poor writing. Idris Elba's character was the only watchable person in the movie, that main dude, was a horrible choice for a main lead...He was just an average (TV actor) that was given even worse script to work with.

The Asian lady (with blue tips, I had hard time taking her seriously, is that homage to Evangelion or something?)... was just slightly more blander than the dude, ironically they did kinda deserved each other. Much like many boring couples do in real life. Between the guy's relationship with her and that Aussie "bully" guy fight scene "Apologize to her", I swear I thought I was watching an episode of 90210 or Degrassi High or something, the fuck kinda high school bullshit was that?

Also you would imagine a professional (military) pilot, wouldn't use childish dialogue such as "I think it's dead but let's go back and double check" about their enemy during a fucking battle...! You know... maybe use some more technical combat terms to his copilot, such as "target down" "confirm kill" etc... video games have been getting this right since the first Call of Duty game, what's their excuse? And again, who wrote this shit?


I would've loved to seen a movie following that blond Russian couple around, manning that Russian Jaeger... They looked more interesting than the main two.. and not only they didn't say a word, they weren't even on screen for more than 2 minutes. What was their story? What's their relationship to each other? How long have they been piloting that weird looking Jaeger? nothing, who cares.. let's just drown them asap and... cut back to a close up of our high school heroes having weird sexual tension while staring at each other in the eyes.. fuck me! such lost opportunity...

Also, this one didn't bother me as much, (because I never expect to LOL or chuckle at action movies like this) But the movie lacked humour more than I anticipated. The only time I remember chuckling out loud was when Charlie Day's character says "It's classified information, I cannot tell you even if I wanted to.. well it's pretty cool... actually... I'm gonna tell you." to Ron Perlman's character on that balcony scene. I think there was at least another two attempts at humor in the movie besides that one, but I don't even remember, they fell flat.

Anyway I could go on forever just on the terrible writing and main characters of this show.. but I must stop there and applaud three things I liked about the movie.

1) The special effects (phenomenal) "Always raining, always night time" didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I can't imagine robot vs monster battle scenes be too convincing during broad, bright daylight settings.

2)This may seem trivial to some, but it's very important to me, the lack of shitty product placements we always see in this type of movies (summer, action blockbusters) I'm happy to say, I can't even remember seeing one, if they were a few, they flew right over my head.. I didn't see one Pepsi can, not an Acura SUV/car (maybe that little Nissan hatchback in the very beginning on the bridge?!?....nah!) Nothing, no Mountain Dew, No 7 Eleven, No iHop... And thank you to the film producers for not doing this to their film.

3)Last but not least, my favorite part of the movie that I was pleasantly surprised with was the Kaiju. Their designs were great, you could easily distinct the gorilla Kaiju from the crab kaiju to the alligator Kaiju etc. cool designs...And more importantly cool back-story behind them. Loved that they weren't just mindless monsters plowing through the city, they had a gameplan and they were adapting to their enemies strategies and fighting back accordingly. Charlie Day figuring this shit out by studying their brain was a definitely the only decent part of the story. I was honestly rooting for the Kaiju, I was hoping they would destroy all the stupid Jaegers and triumph and destroy the shitty, boring humans.

You know the movie failed in storytelling and character development when you gave two shits about the sappy, melodramatic "old soldier giving a pep talk...and returning back to the battlefield for one last time to give all he's got, including his life bullshit!" and just wanted to see those Kaiju kick ass (They were the true characters in the film)

I honesty didn't care if Idris, that bully, or that Japanese woman, along with the cardboard cut out, poor man's Changing Tatem dude died in battle against those cool monsters.. I mean they just killed off the pilots of the Chinese and Russian Jaegers like they were nobodies.. Why should I stop and care about what happens to the Gypsy Danger all a sudden? Oh yeah because it's "analog" it doesn't shut down during a power surge..really?
 
Finally watched it this evening. Really enjoyed it. It was loud, it was pretty, it was entertainment which in the end is all I wanted.

I felt they could have removed the wall scene and just have him lounging about or recovering after getting his arse wooped and replace that time with more backstory for the other Jargers. As others have mentioned, the Russian team seemed cool and considering that they had been defending siberia for six years previously one imagines they would have some stories to tell.

Additionally, I'm curious as to how the wall was supposed to work. From the fact that one just crashed through it, I would imagine that it was more then just a big wall since that would have never stopped the monsters.
 
Additionally, I'm curious as to how the wall was supposed to work. From the fact that one just crashed through it, I would imagine that it was more then just a big wall since that would have never stopped the monsters.

They should have elaborated on it more in the film, but from the novelization
No Kaiju had attacked a wall prior to Sydney scene shown in the film, so they thought it would work.
 
So I just saw this, didn't like it too much, it's OK with some great moments and a lot of bad ones. I kind of get that they're trying to go for that cheesy blockbuster feel, but it just feel way off balance, it's too... North American. The acting was atrocious. All of them, even Idris Elba were mediocre at best and at times pretty bad. I don't think it worked out to try including weird, "caricature" characters, they didn't make it work. The only one who did was
Ron Perlman
. It can also drag a bit at times.

It's not all bad though, the CGI and designs are fucking amazing, the OST was really damn good at times and the actions scenes are great too, really brutal. Could do with less shaky cam though.

In the end, it's really good when it's paying homage to Mecha anime and Godzilla and it's bad when it's trying to be an 'Murican movie. It would easily be a really, really good movie for me had they avoided this last part.
 
Anyone know some good figure stands? Gypsy trips, Crimson crashes, and Knifehead...uh...falls. Maybe those waist clip things?
 
I loved it. I can't deny it, but it was an anime fan's wet dream. So awesome. Nothing more to be said. Mecha fans should love it.

I can"t hate on people who dislike PR because I like it for many of the reasons that they don;t.

- cheesy anime dialogue
- Gigantic robot suit up sequence
- skipping the origin story and jumping right into the action
- Wacky scientist/side character subplot


All are completely valid reasons to hate the movie, but I love PR because of them.

This. Exactly this.
 
I got all the NECA figures but I'm trying to track down the Heroclix without resorting to eBay. Shit has sold out everywhere and all my local comic shops in the Chicago area can't get them from distributers because they have sold out as well.

Can't wait for series 2 of the NECA figures.
 
I went to see this yesterday with my brother and holy crap Gaf! This thing was atrocious! Horrible acting and I mean seriously bottom tier crap, stupid meaningless plot that goes nowhere from start to finish, crap cg.

We couldn't help but start laughing at some of the "acting" scenes and so did most of the audience! The whole thing was a giant cliche!

We actually had a lot more fun after the movie finally ended making jokes about how we wasted two hours of our lives that could've been spent doing various extremely lame and pointless activities!
 
I can"t hate on people who dislike PR because I like it for many of the reasons that they don;t.

- cheesy anime dialogue
- Gigantic robot suit up sequence
- skipping the origin story and jumping right into the action
- Wacky scientist/side character subplot

All are completely valid reasons to hate the movie, but I love PR because of them.

Indeed, if only the scientists were SD or Chibi characters it would have been perfect! :D it's an action comedy with ALL anime clichés thrown in. Its great entertainment after a few beers.
 
I went to see this yesterday with my brother and holy crap Gaf! This thing was atrocious! Horrible acting and I mean seriously bottom tier crap, stupid meaningless plot that goes nowhere from start to finish, crap cg.

We couldn't help but start laughing at some of the "acting" scenes and so did most of the audience! The whole thing was a giant cliche!

We actually had a lot more fun after the movie finally ended making jokes about how we wasted two hours of our lives that could've been spent doing various extremely lame and pointless activities!


you are trying too hard
 
you are trying too hard

Quit being such a fanboy. I went to see it with zero expectations and it's pure shit. I'm so shocked that so many people on Gaf love this movie.

Edit: I'm not trolling, I'm being dead serious, this is seriously the worst movie I've seen in ages in terms of acting. Just because this movie is about giant monsters, it doesn't mean that the acting should be forsaken or that we should give it a pass.

Edit 2: I honestly don't even want to discuss anything, I'm just posting my opinion to offset all the undeserved hype this movie is getting on Gaf.
 
I went to see this yesterday with my brother and holy crap Gaf! This thing was atrocious! Horrible acting and I mean seriously bottom tier crap, stupid meaningless plot that goes nowhere from start to finish, crap cg.

We couldn't help but start laughing at some of the "acting" scenes and so did most of the audience! The whole thing was a giant cliche!

We actually had a lot more fun after the movie finally ended making jokes about how we wasted two hours of our lives that could've been spent doing various extremely lame and pointless activities!

I agree with this post. I plan to agree with it for two hours.
 
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