Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 2 - The Final Eight Episodes - Sundays on AMC

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y2dvd said:
I'm just wondering what the peak of Walt's evil will reach. Will he be willing to kill family for his own hide. For what purpose? He knows he's a dying man. That ego of his...
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I think his children might simply be taken away from him, but Hank might not survive dat Heisenberg.
 
Raiden said:
What Ozymandias poem? I must know!
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From the teaser.
I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away
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KMD said:
Wtf are you talking about? I haven't once voiced an opinion on Walt's character.

That tag suits you.
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Anybody who goes out of their way to try to convince themselves this hard that Walt's intention in the matter was anything less than completely 100% sinister and the acceptance of a potential death has clearly already made their opinion on the man crystal. I mean you're fighting just over Walt being fine with Hank dying if that's what it took. That's what you're fighting for. I don't know how else to interpret such a bizarre point of view.

I mean literally every single aspect of the action was fucked up. He was potentially risking Hank's death - a man who was already nearly crippled by another fucked up element of Walt's life seeping into his and remained injured in that car drive - to cover up HIS fucked up meth life which has also simultaneously risked the lives of every member of his family, including his fucking infant child. Every little cog in that whole fucked up mess leading to the accident itself was Walt trying to fix collateral damage he caused. And you're going to sit here wasting away over some bullshit semantical nuance that literally changes absolutely nothing with either the moral take away of the moment or Walt's overall motives? I'd say I'm reading you quite well indeed.
 
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- AMC Q&A with Aaron Paul
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- NY Mag: Dean Norris on the Breaking Bad Premiere, Hank’s Machismo, and Bryan Cranston’s Overachiever E-mails
- NY Mag: Breaking Bad: Does Badger's Star Trek Episode Hold Up Under Trek Rules?
- Warming Glow: Breaking Bad GIF Highlights - Blood Money
- Daily Beast: ‘Breaking Bad’ Creator Vince Gilligan Spills on the Midseason Premiere’s Big Plot Twist
- NY Mag: This Week’s Breaking Bad GIFs: Walt Gets Sick; Jesse Gets Stoned
- NY Mag: See the Animated Version of Badger’s Star Trek Pie-Eating Story
- Onion A|V Club review of Talking Bad
- Onion A|V Club's For Our Consideration Feature: The case against Breaking Bad (response from memles)
- NY Mag talks with Dean Norris: Under That Dome
- Gigaom: Breaking Bad’s science advisor fact checks some of the show’s greatest chemistry moments
- memles with a few thoughts on Talking Bad over on his tumblr
- TVbtN: 'Breaking Bad' Premiere Delivers 5.2 Million Viewers, 3.6 Million Adults 18-49
- Warming Glow: ‘Breaking Bad’ Rewatch: Color Schemes, Theories, And Foreshadowing
- Pop Photo: Interview: Photographer Frank W. Ockenfels III On Shooting Breaking Bad
- NY Mag: 5 Theories Based on Last Night’s Breaking Bad
- Grantland's BS podcast discussing the first episode
- The Atlantic: 'Breaking Bad' Is Too Good a Show to Read This Much About
- Wired: The Nerd Fails of the Imaginary Star Trek Script in Breaking Bad
- Breaking Bad recut as a romantic comedy
- AMC's Breaking Bad Insider Podcast​
 
I tend to look at Jesse's depressive reaction to everything that's happened as how Walt should react to these events if he was a functional human being. Jesse's representing the audience in that respect. It would crush us if we were involved, but Walt is immune.
 
bangladesh said:
Poems are fucking weird

Can someone smart translate it please
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It's basically about the fall of Empires. Here is this monument of this once mighty king declaring all men of power to look upon his Earthly accomplishments and stand in awe. And yet, as we see from the poem, even that visage now stands shattered, a testament to an empty desert and no kingdom at all. In the end, all kings must fall, and all kings are naught but men.
 
And here I was thinking this show had a ton of grey areas, including the characters. According to GAF it's all black and white. Who knew?

Anyway, seeing the people in this thread say the things they are makes me think of what David Chase said in regards to Sopranos fans at the end of the Sopranos. He said something like "You cheer this guy on (Tony), him doing awful things for so long, and now all the sudden you want to see him die?" Kind of encapsulates this thread from what I can tell.
 
RoninChaos said:
And here I was thinking this show had a ton of grey areas, including the characters. According to GAF it's all black and white. Who knew?
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Some characters are grey, some characters have long since lost their shades. What element of Walt is at all morally ambiguous anymore?

I don't know why I'm asking this since I've never once seen an answer to this question that wasn't ridiculous, but I remain curious. Somebody has to have a good answer, maybe you're the one.

RoninChaos said:
Anyway, seeing the people in this thread say the things they are makes me think of what David Chase said in regards to Sopranos fans at the end of the Sopranos. He said something like "You cheer this guy on (Tony), him doing awful things for so long, and now all the sudden you want to see him die?" Kind of encapsulates this thread from what I can tell.
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But SOPRANOS SPOILERS
Tony Soprano did die. We merely saw his death from his perspective, thus black. He got his come uppance after seasons of criminal horrors, and the audience was rewarded for being mature enough to love a character and yet understand it makes sense that this is a fitting end.
 
bangladesh said:
Poems are fucking weird

Can someone smart translate it please
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Simply, line by line (more or less), the poem is:
A man is speaking to another man who has travelled. He notes that in the desert he saw massive two legs made out of stone. Near them was a shattered head. It isn't completely destroyed as some emotions can be made out, the craftsman clearly studied the subject. At the base of the statue is an inscription which reads “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!” Nothing is around the remains of the statue (the 'colossal wreck') except for sand; the statue is all there is.

The poem (simply) is commenting on the fall of empires with time; that no matter how large one is, time will destroy it. Ozymandias was the 'king of kings', the greatest to live. The inscription implies that, in its time, there would have been far more in this area to highlight his greatness, perhaps a city, a temple, etc, that which would make men gasp, become a true believer in his magnificent power, and be speechless at his greatness. Now however, there is nothing, only the ruined statue, that which once served as a shining monument to his greatness is now the sole indication of his ruin, and sand. In Breaking Bad, Walter would be Ozymandias.
 
blame space said:
no, seriously, where did that GPS locator come from? hank took a hot minute from his sick days to track walt's car in order to justify his bulletproof solid evidence that he was heisenberg?

that's what happened, right? i'm not stupid.
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I guarantee we will see that scene in a future episode.
 
RoninChaos said:
And here I was thinking this show had a ton of grey areas, including the characters. According to GAF it's all black and white. Who knew?
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The show definitely felt more grey in early seasons. But after 4, and clearly now with 5, they're trying to paint Walt as a bad guy who'll get his just desserts in the end. Meh.
 
I think Hank took his "sick days" and holed up in the garage not because he was really putting everything together (although he did do that) but quite frankly, he didn't know how to react to the discovery. I mean, so much must have been going through his head and it basically came out when Hank told Walt he didn't even know who he was.

brilliant decision by the writers.

That final scene was so brilliant. Man, The writers are ballsy. hank finding out now makes sense but who saw the confrontation coming this early? There was no cat & mouse aspect to it at all. They teased it. That first part of the convo where Walt is playing Walt and trying to figure Hank out and Hank doing the same. Then right as Walt was about to walk away, which we all thought he was going to do, he just turns around with the tracker and that was it. The gloves came off before the stands were filled!

Oh man, the garage closing.

The convo after was so amazing. Hanking laying the truth onto Walt. And Walt went from rationalizing (I won't see a jail cell, I'm dying) and begging (what's the point!?) to a flat out threat (tread lightly).

BTW, did anyone else notice Walt's "tread lightly" came with a much deeper and forceful tone than the words prior? Made me feel like in Batman begins "SWEAR TO ME" line.

And that final shot was just so good. It's not over yet and we have to wait a week!


Other thoughts:

Opening was also great and as we all know now, by this time everyone knows what Walt did the question is why is he back?

Lydia is such a great character but it was nice to see Skyler take charge. Speaking of which, not Walt is taking charge of the car wash over her...

Love the scene with Walt and Jesse and Jesse seems to have finally figured Walt out a bit. I understand people's frustrations with Jesse being an emotional wreck, though. We've seen it so much and even though it's part of who he is, people feel it's about time we get to the next of perhaps final phase of Jesse's arc. I hope it does come soon.

Man, this show is so good.
 
DukeBobby said:
I have a feeling that Ozymandias will be the best episode of Breaking Bad ever.

I'm expecting great things. Great things indeed.
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That's Rian Johnson's, right? At a panel Gilligan said he thought it was the best one of the whole show, but "unfortunately, there are two more after that."
 
vpance said:
The show definitely felt more grey in early seasons. But after 4, and clearly now with 5, they're trying to paint Walt as a bad guy who'll get his just desserts in the end. Meh.
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Just curious, did you start watching this show because you wanted to see Walt get it in the end? Did you cheer when he got Gus, when he did that meth crystal bomb thing-thing in the first season? When he killed those dealers?
 
Holy shit
I expected the pretend game to last more than one episode! That moment when the garage door closes was such a mind blower. That whole scene was phenomenal actually. When teary-eyed, cancer-ridden Walt pleads for mercy I actually believed him for a second... but then that veiled threat at the end.

As cool as that part was though, let's not kid ourselves. The best part of the entire episode was Badger's Star Trek pitch.
 
Amir0x said:
Some characters are grey, some characters have long since lost their shades. What element of Walt is at all morally ambiguous anymore?

I don't know why I'm asking this since I've never once seen an answer to this question that wasn't ridiculous, but I remain curious. Somebody has to have a good answer, maybe you're the one.
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The entire character is gray. Is this a serious post? How do you get away with trolling this thread as much as you do?
 
The Daily Mail have posted an article entitled: 'Is this the best TV show of all time? Breaking Bad is back and Jim Shelley picks 12 pivotal moments that make it a modern classic'

They go on to include in the article:

pursuer DEA agent Hank Shrader
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This premise – a decent, law-abiding, sick family man taking up manufacturing methamphetamine - is the premise of the show, a Faustian pact which, in Cranston's words, sees White go 'from Mr. Chips to Scarface.'
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Jesse goes to get even with two junkies who robbed him only to find no one home except a starving, neglected kid called Diesel watching a TV with only one channel.
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After a painfully tense attempt to blow up Gus’ car, Walter tries to persuade Jesse to turn against Gus, implicating Gus when Jesse's new girlfriend's little girl becomes almost fatally ill. In fact, it is Walter who has poisoned her.
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Later Walter tells Jesse: “you asked me if I was in the meth business or the money business. It's not about money, it's about empires.'
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i dont even think this guy has watched it
 
Jack Remington said:
The entire character is gray. Is this a serious post? How do you get away with trolling this thread as much as you do?
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I'm the one who is trolling? You must be fucking insane. What aspect of the character is gray? He is an abhorrent monster who has continually put everyone he loves in mortal danger. If he doesn't put them in mortal danger, he's busy corrupting them until they're so destroyed that they can barely stand to wake up. He poisons children to save his own fucking ass. He lets people die of OD in front of him. He kills virtually indiscriminately now, ordering the death of 10 inmates who could out him as well as Mike in cold blood. He continually emotionally abuses Skyler, stomping after her like so many drooling dogs and trapping her in a life she never wanted. He witnesses Todd slaughter an innocent boy and then doesn't even skip a beat as he begins to plan to hide the evidence. Skyler has to take responsibility for her actions, but as always it is Walt who causes the moral decline. He is a cancer.

He sells an extremely potent drug, one of the most dangerous on the market, so that he can personally gain a little power and fortune. He bombs nursing homes only casually giving a shit that there could be collateral damage. He manipulates Jesse, who used to look up to him as a father, to the point that he is nothing but a shattered husk of a man. He got his own daughter's life threatened. He almost was massacred in his master bedroom. He nearly got Hank killed - twice. He has destroyed his family down to the very core, and has refused near endless opportunities to exit the life.

At this point, this is beyond the pale. I'm trolling YOU? fuckin' please
 
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