I love Prime, probably my favorite now too. I'm glad I looked past the artstyle and tried it out. I was hooked from Episode 1 after seeing
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Starscream got away with so much
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I love Prime, probably my favorite now too. I'm glad I looked past the artstyle and tried it out. I was hooked from Episode 1 after seeing
I loved the part after that when Starscream is sent flying into space from the explosion and he goes past Galvatron and Galvatrons first reaction, without even thinking about how Starscream is even there after he killed him is "It's Starscream, blast him! Die you worthless.." and continues to blast him with his cannon lol
Actually, I just remembered Galvatron already knew of Starscream coming back as a ghost, but yeah, still a funny scene.
I really enjoyed the dynamic between Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave. It just made the Decepticons so much more interesting than the Autobots. Mainly because you had Soundwave kissing Megatron's ass all the time, and Starscream trying to undermine Megatron all the time.
Just made Megatron seem that much more awesome.
I also gotta say that I loved my Soundwave toy as a kid. Those cassette transformers were bad ass.
Just made Megatron seem that much more awesome.
I also gotta say that I loved my Soundwave toy as a kid. Those cassette transformers were bad ass.
VeryGooster
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I like the few episodes of Prime I've seen, but man I've fallen so out of the loop with Transformers. I'd been meaning to read some of the newer IDW comics for a while. Earlier this year I picked up the TF Generations Deluxe Starscream and it blew my mind that it was $20 at Toys R Us (even toy prices are lost on me now). I hadn't bought a figure since the first Bayformers movie, I think.
Duane Cunningham
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I'm telling you guys, Animated is SO underrated. It'll blow your mind about 50 times.
Oooh I like the War for Cybertron/Fall of Cybertron style quite a bit. Like the games too!
VeryGooster
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I really liked Animated. I wondered at the time though why Paramount didn't give it a full DVD release like they did for Cybertron/Galaxy Force.
The Horror the horror
Banned
Starscream got away with so much because he was an invaluable member of the Decepticon unit.
He's a brilliant scientist, having worked alongside Skyfire before becoming a full-fledged soldier. His brilliance is illustrated by his ability to create a roster of Decepticons from scrap, as he did with the Combaticons when he was abandoned and left stranded.
He's also the fastest transformer from G1. This has been mentioned in a few episodes. You can't teach speed and you can't replace speed.
So he's a genius, a crafty warrior, and he has abilities no other transformer can match.
So yeah, he's essentially irreplaceable.
He's a brilliant scientist, having worked alongside Skyfire before becoming a full-fledged soldier. His brilliance is illustrated by his ability to create a roster of Decepticons from scrap, as he did with the Combaticons when he was abandoned and left stranded.
He's also the fastest transformer from G1. This has been mentioned in a few episodes. You can't teach speed and you can't replace speed.
So he's a genius, a crafty warrior, and he has abilities no other transformer can match.
So yeah, he's essentially irreplaceable.
Space Runaway
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Not only that, the original plan was for him to stay dead after that too. You'll notice once they put him back together he never really does anything or is even seen after that until the group shot before the end credits.
Spectral Entity
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I'm not a hardcore TF fan, but I do like it as they were in my life before TMNT. Hell, I still have all my old Transformers, even some Rock Lords!
However, I get confused by the many continuities there are.
I remember a few years back that Hasbro decided to create one canonical, aligned continuity beginning with the novel Transformers: Exodus/War for Cybertron game, then the Fall of Cybertron, Exiles, Retribution, and Prime.
Aside from that, I've always loved Shockwave, from the moment he pinched my finger and fell prey to the hands of my enraged dad to his resurrection thanks to a new one from mom, continuing up through today.
However, I get confused by the many continuities there are.
I remember a few years back that Hasbro decided to create one canonical, aligned continuity beginning with the novel Transformers: Exodus/War for Cybertron game, then the Fall of Cybertron, Exiles, Retribution, and Prime.
Aside from that, I've always loved Shockwave, from the moment he pinched my finger and fell prey to the hands of my enraged dad to his resurrection thanks to a new one from mom, continuing up through today.
Yeah, the continuities are a mess. It's not helped by things like Hasbro saying the War for/Fall of Cybertron games are officially G1 canon when there are aspects that contradict previous canon. Or when Hasbro decides Teansformers Cybertron is the same continuity as Armada and Energon while Takara treats it as a new continuity and produces the show accordingly.
Basically show wise in the west, the continuity breakdown is G1/G2+ BW+BM, Robots in Disguise, Armada/Energon/Cybertron, Animated, and Prime.
The comics are a mess, almost to the point where every title may be its own continuity. Video games complicate things further, the Armada game clearly had no basis in either the show or comic, the HD gen games are a hodgepodge of G1 and War Within, etc.
Mr. Poolman
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This guy knows what's up.
I watched G1 when I was a kid, and loved it. My memories of it are fuzzy and clouded by nostalgia, though. I do remember there being a lot of backstory they went into, especially later on with the Cybertron stuff.
I watched Beast Wars (or "Beasties", as they stupidly called it here), and even then it made my eyes bleed. It was well-written, though, even if some of the characters were a bit dorky. I could never get used to Megatron with a deep, pompous voice, though.
Beast Machines was decent, I liked it. But after that, I was done with the whole series. I'd completely outgrown it.
Duane Cunningham
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And really, that's a pretty good continuity. If you look too closely, there are some discrepancies between the three (Prime, novels and games), like they were all working from the same very specific outline but then filled in some of the gaps in ways that contradict each other a bit. but all in all, it's a pretty good all inclusive mythos (even the spinoff show for preschoolers is specifically the same world as Prime). I just hope that when the new show starts, it continues this continuity it instead of giving us yet another reboot.
He's basically sociopathic Benedict Cumberbatch in robot form.
RumblingRosco
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This thread is getting me itchy to watch more Transformers.
So, here's what I've seen so far:
Every episode of Generation 1's English series (season 1-4)
Generation 1's Japanese-only "Transformers: The Headmasters"
Every episode of Beast Wars
Season 1 & 2 of Transformers Prime
The Transformers: The Movie (1986 film)
The three recent Transformers films
So, what's next that I can some how access on DVD, Netflix, Amazon, eBay, or otherwise? Any recommendations? I hear that Transformers Armada/Energon/Cybertron are great, but I'm not sure if they're available for purchase anywhere. Alternatively, if there are any games that are worth playing story-wise, that's cool too. Never touched a Transformers videogame.
So, here's what I've seen so far:
Every episode of Generation 1's English series (season 1-4)
Generation 1's Japanese-only "Transformers: The Headmasters"
Every episode of Beast Wars
Season 1 & 2 of Transformers Prime
The Transformers: The Movie (1986 film)
The three recent Transformers films
So, what's next that I can some how access on DVD, Netflix, Amazon, eBay, or otherwise? Any recommendations? I hear that Transformers Armada/Energon/Cybertron are great, but I'm not sure if they're available for purchase anywhere. Alternatively, if there are any games that are worth playing story-wise, that's cool too. Never touched a Transformers videogame.
Duane Cunningham
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Well, a few notes.
-If you're gonna watch all the old G1's, remember to soak in the nostalgia and try to overlook its many many warts. Also, after you watch the first episode, read the corresponding TF Wiki page: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/More_than_Meets_the_Eye,_Part_1 Then do the same for every episode. It'll enhance your experience greatly. Also, remember that the 1986 movie goes between Season 2 and Season 3. That'll be obvious when you get there, though... there's a 20 year gap in the story after season 2.
-Actually, read the TF Wiki notes for every episode of everything TF after watching it.
-If you're going to watch all of G1, you might as well finish it with Beast Machines, even though it has MAJOR problems, that's the end of G1.
-Add all three seasons of Transformers: Animated to your list. Seriously. They're far superior to the Unicron trilogy (Armada/Energon/Cybertron). It's almost top of the heap for me.
-Skip Robots in Disguise.
-Video game wise, just play WFC and FOC. Actually, when you're ready for Prime, do this: read the two novels, Exodus and Exiles (and the third if it's out by then), then play the two games, then watch Prime.
-Personally, I don't really care for the Unicron Trilogy that much... well, it has some pretty fun concepts, like Velocitron, etc, but overall, I think it's definitely lower tier.
EDIT: Oh, I totally misread. That first list is stuff you've ALREADY seen. Well, read the novels and play the High Moon Studio games. And watch Animated, but I'm not sure how. Actually, all the episodes might be on YouTube.
-If you're gonna watch all the old G1's, remember to soak in the nostalgia and try to overlook its many many warts. Also, after you watch the first episode, read the corresponding TF Wiki page: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/More_than_Meets_the_Eye,_Part_1 Then do the same for every episode. It'll enhance your experience greatly. Also, remember that the 1986 movie goes between Season 2 and Season 3. That'll be obvious when you get there, though... there's a 20 year gap in the story after season 2.
-Actually, read the TF Wiki notes for every episode of everything TF after watching it.
-If you're going to watch all of G1, you might as well finish it with Beast Machines, even though it has MAJOR problems, that's the end of G1.
-Add all three seasons of Transformers: Animated to your list. Seriously. They're far superior to the Unicron trilogy (Armada/Energon/Cybertron). It's almost top of the heap for me.
-Skip Robots in Disguise.
-Video game wise, just play WFC and FOC. Actually, when you're ready for Prime, do this: read the two novels, Exodus and Exiles (and the third if it's out by then), then play the two games, then watch Prime.
-Personally, I don't really care for the Unicron Trilogy that much... well, it has some pretty fun concepts, like Velocitron, etc, but overall, I think it's definitely lower tier.
EDIT: Oh, I totally misread. That first list is stuff you've ALREADY seen. Well, read the novels and play the High Moon Studio games. And watch Animated, but I'm not sure how. Actually, all the episodes might be on YouTube.
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Diggeh
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I love this thread. We need a Transformers community OT already!
DeaconKnowledge
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Retribution is out?! I thought it released in January 2014?
He was basically the anti Optimus. While Optimus was always in control and respected, they wanted to portray a young leader who wasn't sure of himself or his role.
Problem is you don't get to make a character like that when his first major appearance he gets the greatest Transformer ever killed.
Smokescreen in TFP is Hot Rod done right.
The Horror the horror
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In my opinion, Hot Rod earned the award for biggest asshole in an 80s animated film. Next to Apollo Creed's unnecessary death in Rocky IV, Optimus Prime getting killed marked a pivotal moment in my young movie-going career, and seeing that little bitch become the leader after getting Prime killed pissed me off. I still get pissed off thinking about it. Galvatron should have choked his ass harder.
Armada/Energon/Cybertron (the Unicron Trilogy) are actually usually derided by Western fans as the worst Transformers television out there, but it has its defenders (like me). Just go in understanding that Armada has animation and dubbing problems due to Cartoon Network asking the studio to rush it to air, that Energon's writing staff had their own ideas where to take the show in contradiction to what the Hasbro production team had intended, and that Cybertron was originally produced in Japan as a reboot but which Hasbro wanted to dub in continuity with the other two shows.
Basically, it's a mess, but it has some great characters and ideas.
Duane Cunningham
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Does everyone else know about that spot in the movie where Devastator hits Sludge so hard his eyes pop out? the animators just slipped it in to be funny, I guess.
Seconded!
Hot Coldman
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There's very, very few threads that have as powerful a sense of camaraderie as the various Transformers threads we get in the OT. It's pleasant and very satisfying.
Except for when people shit on Beast Wars, of course.
Those people are inhuman it is true.
And yes why not a OT for Transformers, it needs to have the epic Shockwave cover from Marvel in the day.
Maybe even a picture of all the original G1 bots hanging up side dead/deactivated. You see some who have no lower body, that always stuck with me.
And yes why not a OT for Transformers, it needs to have the epic Shockwave cover from Marvel in the day.
Maybe even a picture of all the original G1 bots hanging up side dead/deactivated. You see some who have no lower body, that always stuck with me.
Sir_Crocodile
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G2 Tank Megatron is eternally best Megatron. I loved Furman's closing G2 storyline.
Yeah, the comic adaptation has it in. Awesome scene.
Yeah, the comic adaptation has it in. Awesome scene.
Sorry, but Transformers Prime exists. The best Megatron and the best Starscream.
Space Runaway
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That scene cracks me up now. From his trouble-maker sounding "No you don't Megatron!", his inability to do anything while in a headlock and then being defeated by Megatron casually tossing him off-screen.
Still, I liked Hot Rod. Too bad TV Rodimus was a total joke and ruined any potential the character had.
And now that you mention it, what was up with Galvatron choking him. Since when could autobots be asphyxiated?
chadderbox77
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Soundwave was the best because he had Rumble and Frenzy, who formed the mighty Devastator.
What are half these shows? lol
We don't get them over here.
And Beast Machines is part of G1 continuity? Hell no.
The only two Transformers shows never released in America were Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo. And I guess Transformers Go! if that counts, but that's currently "airing" (it's a set of direct-to-video episodes).
Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory were not aired on tv but eventually got released on DVD.
Basically these are the shows that have been aired in America:
1980s - G1
1990s - BW, BM
2000s - RiD, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated
2010s - Prime, Rescue Bots
edit: Also, continuity goes like this (this will get confusing):
Japanese G1 continuity: G1 seasons 1 + 2 -> Scramble City* -> Car Robots** -> Robot Masters*** Movie -> G1 season 3 (dubbed in Japan as a separate series called Transformers 2010) -> Headmasters -> Masterforce -> Victory -> Zone**** -> Beast Wars -> Beast Machines -> Beast Wars II (and its movie Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger) -> Beast Wars Neo
Western G1 continuity: G1 (plus the movie) -> Beast Wars -> Beast Machines
Robots in Disguise: just the show that goes by that name
Unicron Trilogy continuity: Armada -> Energon -> Cybertron
Animated continuity: just the show that goes by that name
Japanese Prime continuity: Prime -> Go!
Western Prime continuity: Prime and Rescue Bots happen concurrently
*OVA produced that takes place after season 2 about the introduction of Metroplex
**originally came out in 2000 as an alternate universe show which was later retconned into the G1 universe by a comic series; the western dub (Robots in Disguise) is therefore a standalone continuity in the west that has nothing to do with G1, but the original show in Japan is now considered to be part of the G1 continuity
***some direct to video episodes of dumb time-travel battles between certain popular characters meant to sell repainted toys
****standalone OVA that takes place after Victory, was followed by story pages in a magazine
Dongs Macabre
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Uh, yeah, it is.
Peter Bazooka
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I don't know I really like the episode The Burden Hardest to Bear where Rodimus says fuck this and just throws away the matrix only to come to terms with the fact he needs to grow up and act like the leader he was destined to be.
Then Optimus comes back the next episode.
Agreed. Wreck-Gar <3
BW Megatron named himself after G1 Megatron, they're not the same character.
Price Drop
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No way would they ever do this today. The Movie may have been the G1 downfall, but that severity of the storyline made it so damn epic at the time. I still remember that's all anyone talked about at school - did you hear Optimus Prime DIED??
Even looking back at the G1 episodes, while they were used to just sell the action figure, it was really honest and well done. There were episodes about solidarity among the Autobots, betrayal and jealousy among the Decepticons. Even Season 3 has Rodimus questioning whether he can perform under Optimus Prime's shadow.
And Chris Latta's Starscream was THE BEST. No one will ever be such a squirmy little backstabber with the balls to consistently undermine Megatron as he did in G1.
They just don't make anything like this anymore.
Oh thank God. Still, why is BW part of G1 continuity when none of the characters return? Apart from the real Prime appearing in that one episode. Might as well be standalone.
That voice was perfect, did an excellent job of undermining Starscream as the credible threat he is. Just perfect for a backstabber.
Starscream returns for an episode, Megatron has a cameo in a recording being played back, Unicron also appears (sort of, it's just an illusion). Ravage, Soundwave's panther, appears as a major character later on.
It's a direct sequel to G1 that takes place a few hundred years after it and the entire plot revolves around the Predacons trying to prevent the Autobots from ever waking up on Earth.
gutter_trash
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Video sucks because it shifts to ''new'' shitty cartoons. G1 is all that matters
G1 Megatron was highly patient, level headed, calculative and boss. He may have seen value at keeping Starscream around.
G1 Megatron was highly patient, level headed, calculative and boss. He may have seen value at keeping Starscream around.
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