Sony Gamescom Press Conference Thread: Let Us Dream

It's interesting having watched the conference while GAF servers melted down, then returning to read post-conference impressions. I thought for sure many Gaffers would've been excited about all the stuff Sony announced/showed. Conference threads usually bitch about wanting games, Games, GAMES!!! Sony's conference was absolutely loaded with games, most of which are new announcements for Playstation, and not known about before. Yet, reading this thread without having watched the conference for oneself, one might think Sony's conference were no different than Microsoft's, only announcing a couple of new games. It's obvious that the most disappointed people are primarily big-budget-title-only gamers. That's fine. But for me, the best games of the generation are a mix of both big budget and indie titles. And I thought it was a pretty good conference.

Besides being light on new AAA announcements, everything else was great. We saw Shu navigating the UI, which now looks more like an evolution of the XMB(at least to me) which is great, because I love the XMB. Twitch was a big deal. They actually announced a launch date. They're countering Microsoft's trade-up deal for select PS3 games. They're launching in over 30 countries this year. And of course a ton of exciting games were announced/shown (to people who aren't allergic to indie titles).

I'm glad to see Sony are not simply showing the same stuff they did at E3, and are continuing to announce new things for PS4. And according to Mortimer, Sony are still holding back a bunch of announcements. Things are looking bright for the PS4. Now we wait for TGS and then launch!
 
It's getting harder to defend gamers when I come in this thread after watching Sony drop prices, announce partnerships with ISP's, praise indies, and drop content bombs on a scale never before seen, and see certain people act like spoiled, petulant children...
 
CaptainTiptop said:
Wait, since when were indie games just meant for mobile? Are you aware of PC gaming?
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Right PC too.

When I think of Indie games I think 99c games on the Ipad and smart phones mainly because that's what I own. I don't play any games on PC's except for MMO's(not saying its bad, I just don't do it for my own reasons).

Its just my own personal taste. I have yet to enjoy any indie game as much as I have enjoyed games like Uncharted, ME, Dragon Age, Skyrim, etc...

I am glad indie games exist and I hope they continue to grow and thrive but I want something more robust and something that can draw me in like the games I mentioned above. I still don't believe any indie can do that yet, so I was hoping for Sony to not put so much emphasis on them compared to the epic titles.
 
I'm still getting the system at launch, but I wasn't impressed with the conference at all. Way too much of a focus on indie games that are already out on PC/other platforms, and f2p stuff I have zero interest in. I really want to see some Japanese-developed next-gen games, hopefully TGS will deliver in that regard.
 
Honestly I would have liked for Sony to have offered 1-2 Japanese style games. Heck a 1080P port of Tekken Tag 2 would have been awesome.

Some of the indie games do look fun, but on the whole not too impressed.
 
I thought it was okay, I saw some of the predictions people had in the hype thread so I'm not surprised some people are angry. Shu said himself there would be no surprises, but that hype can't stay in check sometimes.

Rime was jaw dropping, best new game from the conference, and SS as always stays in front of everyone.
 
jWILL253 said:
It's getting harder to defend gamers when I come in this thread after watching Sony drop prices, announce partnerships with ISP's, praise indies, and drop content bombs on a scale never before seen, and see certain people act like spoiled, petulant children...
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Have you seen the PS+ thread? It's like watching those videos of teenagers getting cars for their birthdays and they scream at their parents because it's the wrong colour or something.
 
This thread:

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jello44 said:
That was if you buy a PS4, they'll give you 3 months free.

Unless there was another offer.
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I think they said if you buy a year subscription for PS Plus between now and the PS4 launch date, they'll throw in an extra 3 months on top of that.

I think the other information was every PS4 user will get a 14 day trial of plus when they buy the console. had some audio problems so I couldn't make it all out entirely, anyone clarify if that's correct or not?
 
Bamelin said:
From a console manufacturer point of view they don't want to have the fate of the market rest in the hand of a couple massive publishers -- and neither should you. A collapse of EA or Activision in a triple A only market would be disastrous for everyone. Not to mention a couple publishers only market allows them to run bullshit like exclusive crap on one system only ....

No ... Diversity is better bring the new glorious future on I say.
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Don't get me wrong. I am glad indie games exist and I understand their worth in the greater scope of things. I do hope they thrive and succeed.

This is my point:
Was this gamescon an indie game conference? It sure felt like one with the majority of the time spent talking about indie games.
I definitely don't want a glorified Ouya. I know PS4 will be awesome and they will eventually release some awesome games be it indie or AAA, but this gamescon had me feeling like the PS4 is a super glorified Ouya because of all the emphasis on indie games.
 
I'm seriously a bit miffed that so many people disliked this conference, honestly - I thought Sony delivered.

The only thing I hated about it was the bloody camera work. Why would you show us a shot of the audience when you have a video playing on the screen? This wasn't just a very occasional thing, either - it practically happened for every single video or trailer. Pretty annoying whenever something interesting was on the screen.
 
elite09 said:
Everyone's Gone to the Rapture, Rime and Shadow of the Beast is not enough? Those are 3 PS4 exclusives.
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If in going to be honest, I'll have to say no. Those games are not enough, not by a long shot.

Just like people where running to buy an Xbox 360 for Bloodrayne 2D, people won't buy a PS3 for Shadow Of the Beast. It's a nice addition, but not a system seller.

RayMaker said:
Yeah Fable Legends, Kinect sports rivals and free fifa 14 left me very impressed with MS and the X1
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Sarcasm or not, I'll have to agree. Kinect Sports Rivals looks pretty cool, specially compared to that atrocity that Sony show. (That gimmick thing with the robots dancing)
 
Breemin said:
Maybe its just me but I am really sick and tired of all the Indy games and the whole hype over Indy game development...

I would much rather use my very expensive and powerful console to play full blown epic games. Indy games can stay on mobile devices... I am sure a lot of people really love the Indy games and the Indy game scene but I am not one of those people, and I truly hoped not so much attention would have gone towards it.

like 75% of this conference was geared toward the Indy gaming scene...boooring

One new Naughty Dog game would blow away 10000 new Indy games.

Just my 2c
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They made more Indiana Jones games?!?
 
Conference was ok, but the director of the streaming must have been one of those people who wants to watch the world burning
 
jWILL253 said:
It's getting harder to defend gamers when I come in this thread after watching Sony drop prices, announce partnerships with ISP's, praise indies, and drop content bombs on a scale never before seen, and see certain people act like spoiled, petulant children...
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Ah, there it is. That's the word I was looking for.

Cool ava btw.
 
One thing I'm noticing talking to people, and I'm not accusing anyone here specifically of it, is that people are upset that it isn't a knockout punch to Microsoft. They wanted AAA game after AAA game and for them to bury MS in a ditch.


Indies and other creative games don't do that. But if you like a variety of games - who gives a shit if what they showed doesn't murder Microsoft... it was a giant stack of games that looked fun as hell.


Microsoft will be just fine in time. Sony isn't going to kill them. Microsoft also isn't going to ruin gaming forever if they sell some consoles. I don't get this almost paranoid hatred of them (and this is coming from someone who hates them quite a bit). Competition is good.


The PS4 wouldn't be what it is if the 360 didn't kick the absolute shit out of the PS3 for a few years.
 
To the people complaining about indies and comparing the PS4 to Ouya...
Indie Games DO NOT equal android or iphone games.

There are truly some great indie games that blow me away, and they can only be played on steam, or psn/vita, or xbl. These are not $0.99 throw away games.

I for one could have used more "megaton" announcements, but still, i think the conference was great.

Loved remote play
Loved the indie games (Rime especially)
And we got a date.
 
I was really a bit disappointed with the conference when it ended, but now that it has been a couple of hours and I have let everything sink in, I really do think it was a very good conference for the PS4. Yeah, the release date isn't as early as hoped and there really weren't any new AAA titles revealed, but at the end of the day, there were a lot of games shown from a variety of genres. Indie or not, I thought that the majority looked like a lot of fun to play and there is still lots of time to announce whatever SSM, ND, MM, etc. is making. Showing more games for a system isn't a bad thing, especially when they are so varied.

I'm still on the fence about getting a Vita, though. The showed a lot of games for it (Murasaki Baby looking the best, imo) and remote play seemed to work well, but the price is like ~$30 too high for me and the memory cards are still a bit pricey even after they have dropped.

EDIT: Does anyone know if LittleBigPlanet Hub is just for PS3 or will it show up on PS4 and Vita?
 
I haven't gotten a chance to read this thread -- but when my friend and I were trying to watch this thing, our talk about Sony and video games eventually turned completely to our talk of wanting to slap whoever's directing the video coverage of this thing.

"time to show some footage the audience wants to see? cut to a wide shot of the floor. fuck the people watching on video streams. fuck them. they don't deserve to see the things being shown."

I actually want to know the reason behind going to wide shows of the floor so much when videos are being played for the audience. I really want to know. what possible reason is there for this? something's being shown on the big screen, so people on streams clearly want to look at 2,000 people sitting in chairs?

eventually I just gave up and turned the thing off in disgust. didn't even see how it ended. did sony win in the end?

All that aside, I thought Rime looked *fantastic*. And Murasaki Baby -- While I'm not sure if I actually want to buy it, I am definitely glad that it exists. I like creative, artistic games that try different things from what we're used to seeing. I'm glad this exists.
 
jWILL253 said:
It's getting harder to defend gamers when I come in this thread after watching Sony drop prices, announce partnerships with ISP's, praise indies, and drop content bombs on a scale never before seen, and see certain people act like spoiled, petulant children...
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This how OTers are born.
 
How can anyone call that conference a failure? Good announcements both near term and future for vita and ps4. There was a price drop and launch day info.

What were people wanting or expecting?
 
What I find sad is that a lot of people associate indie games with short, shallow 2D games. With both PS4 and Xb1 being easier to make games on then the previous generations, who knows what we'll see in the future. Plus, it seems like a lot of these indie devs will be receiving financial and technical help from Sony from the look of things.

Didn't Cerny say his aim was to bring back the good old days of gaming? I interpret that as games no longer being so hard and expensive to make so that the devs no longer need major support from the big 3 publishers (EA, Activision, Ubisoft) to have a chance at success.
 
Personally, Im torn.

I love that the AAA garbage where you spend the GDP of a small country on your game isn't the only thing available on the PS4, Especially as these indie games will be cheap, concentrate on gameplay over cinematic conventions and be unique in design.

That said, there is no compelling reason to invest in a PS4 NOW without a similar amount of graphically amazing titles as the X1, it feels like im buying a Porsche to do the school run.

Sony does still have the edge for me, but only just. If the platinum title had been shown today, I may have cancelled my preorder.


RoboGeorgeForeman said:
Why does everyone assume that if you don't care much about indie games, you want some AAA high budget The Last God of Uncharted game or some shit?
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This. I would be feeling a lot more comfortable if they showed some mid-tier games. That's what I love more than anything.
 
To the people complaining about indies and comparing the PS4 to Ouya...
Indie Games DO NOT equal android or iPhone games.
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I did put PS4 and Ouya in the same sentence, but I did not mean it to compare the 2. Never would do that.
All I'm saying is that IMO way too much emphasis was put on indie games in this single conference. I personally came away with the feeling of a PS4 being a glorified Ouya, even though I know and I'm pretty sure everyone knows Ouya is not even close to being in the same category as a PS4.

Overall the conference was good and I am still happy with PS4. Canceling my pre-order never even crossed my mind. Same for Xbone. I'm happy with the release date. Cant wait!

Only thing is I wish they spent less time talking about Indie titles and more time talking about other things like the controller, eye, UI, etc... Not necessarily more huge budgeted titles.
 
famousmortimer said:
The PS4 wouldn't be what it is if the 360 didn't kick the absolute shit out of the PS3 for a few years.
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Microsoft's new-found direction and focus since a few years ago with the launch of Kinect seems to have done them well enough, I doubt they'd change course anytime soon.

Slightly off-topic mort, but regarding the Vita previously you mentioned Sony having a few things brewing in the pipeline for the next year. Did they 'blow their load' at GamesCom or are there a few surprises still left?
 
To me this just confirms that big announcements a rather scarce during Gamescom. It's more of a consumer expo where people get to actually play all the stuff. People were expecting way too much
 
I missed watching it live but an announcement of a new "Shadow of the Beast" automatically makes it awesome in my eyes.
 
E3 is usually the big game magnet. Although I think TGS might be used to excite Japan with big eastern developed games since it has all but isolated itself from the west with its gaming/cultural preferences. They really need a show aimed at being their E3 and not just some minor tier show.
 
I was expecting at least glimpse of what AAA developers are working right now. I mean just a 30 sec teaser would have been nice.

But instead we got indies indies indies indies indies indies indies.




and indies.


Good for those who like indie games, I guess. For me, it just sucked.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
You already got it at E3; it's called The Order

You already got it at E3; it's called Second Son

You already got it at E3; it's called You Can See My Point.
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Only two known exclusive retail titles for next year on PS4, and there are many many more retail titles known for XB1 for 2014. If it wasn't for the $100 price difference, I think the huge gap in AAA content would make the choice much harder between the two systems after all the Xbox 180s. PlayStation still clearly has the edge in PSN titles, which is definitely great.

People seem to think that asking for one AAA title is too much to ask. I'd also like one announced at TGS and one at the Spike VGAs. Let's see what happens!
 
That said, there is no compelling reason to invest in a PS4 NOW without a similar amount of graphically amazing titles as the X1,
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I'm genuinly interested in having you list all those graphically amazing titles on the One. Honest question since I must have missed on a lot of what has been announced...
 
Winterfang said:
If in going to be honest, I'll have to say no. Those games are not enough, not by a long shot.

Just like people where running to buy an Xbox 360 for Bloodrayne 2D, people won't buy a PS3 for Shadow Of the Beast. It's a nice addition, but not a system seller.



Sarcasm or not, I'll have to agree. Kinect Sports Rivals looks pretty cool, specially compared to that atrocity that Sony show. (That gimmick thing with the robots dancing)
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Not being sarcastic at all, not only does kinect sports look to handle really well but the game looks gorgeous.

As for playroom I quite like it , its llike a 3d version of the original eyetoy, but I think the novelty will were off quite quickly, I look froward to the first real game utilising the PS4 eye.

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hey pistolero kinect sports rivals look nice

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and fable legends is using UE4 so it should be a nice looking title to

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J-Man said:
Only two known exclusive retail titles for next year on PS4, and there are many many more retail titles known for XB1 for 2014. If it wasn't for the $100 price difference, I think the huge gap in AAA content would make the choice much harder between the two systems after all the Xbox 180s. PlayStation still clearly has the edge in PSN titles, which is definitely great.

People seem to think that asking for one AAA title is too much to ask. I'd also like one announced at TGS and one at the Spike VGAs. Let's see what happens!
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I would like for this to happen too but sometimes I wonder if it would be best to just create an event for one game just to draw more attention to a title that otherwise might be overshadowed by more recognized sequels.
 
Lesiroth said:
Microsoft's new-found direction and focus since a few years ago with the launch of Kinect seems to have done them well enough, I doubt they'd change course anytime soon.

Slightly off-topic mort, but regarding the Vita previously you mentioned Sony having a few things brewing in the pipeline for the next year. Did they 'blow their load' at GamesCom or are there a few surprises still left?
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Still surprises left. Both in hardware and software.
 
J-Man said:
Only two known exclusive retail titles for next year on PS4, and there are many many more retail titles known for XB1 for 2014. If it wasn't for the $100 price difference, I think the huge gap in AAA content would make the choice much harder between the two systems after all the Xbox 180s. PlayStation still clearly has the edge in PSN titles, which is definitely great.

People seem to think that asking for one AAA title is too much to ask. I'd also like one announced at TGS and one at the Spike VGAs. Let's see what happens!
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I am comparing the current gen titles for PS3 vs Xbox 360. I have pre-ordered both PS4 and Xbone launch consoles. But I do think PS4 will be better based on my personal experience this gen. For me PS3 is better in all aspects.

That said, I know others love the 360's lineup this gen better and that's cool. This is just my opinion.
 
jWILL253 said:
It's getting harder to defend gamers when I come in this thread after watching Sony drop prices, announce partnerships with ISP's, praise indies, and drop content bombs on a scale never before seen, and see certain people act like spoiled, petulant children...
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yup.
 
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