He doesn't mean one is the subsequent iteration, though
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 2: Where Pilotwings is apparently Minecraft
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He doesn't mean one is the subsequent iteration, though
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47092352&postcount=13277
I posted that way back in January, but I still stand by it. I think it's possible.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
interesting, i wonder if he meant its just because their 2 versions or if he literally meant 3DS is smash 5, i doubt it though if and by the time smash 5 comes around it will be described as such
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I believed that someone already brought it up last year, but yeah I would love to see it happening tho.
A zelda/sheik-like swap could certainly work! I don't think many ice climber like characters are going to be announced, at least not ones that are clones of another stand alone character. The ice climbers are designed to suck alone and they sure do! so I'm not sure a clone climber team could follow suit without some major moveset redesigns
MercilessMercer
Member
Why wouldn't you want them to be new characters? At this point, i doubt that smash 4 will have clones. Besides, Chrom uses Rapiers, doesn't he?
A rapier based moveset would be neat, I think. He could also use some magic using the Dread Scroll.
Think Mitsuru from Persona 4: Arena.
This would basically cover most sword types: Longswords, Rapiers, and Two-Handed swords. Each would have unique playstyles.
Chrom having more Magical abilities also would add more gameplay variety.
This would also clear the way for Lyn to join the battle due her Katana based fighting style.
Thoughts?
Freezie KO
Banned
I love this idea. It really reps the game and gets the superior Lucina into Smash even though Chrom is the main character (besides your avatar).
Throw in Female Morgan too somehow and I'd be ok with this.
C.Olimar788
Member
I'm really hoping for a playable Chrom with Robin following behind him, Pair Up style. Then Chrom can handle the normal attacks with his sword/lance, and Robin can use magic for his specials. It could be especially interesting as the characters could act out of synch with each other - think Ms. Fortune's head in Skullgirls, except with magic projectiles.
Lucina can be an alternate costume for Marth.
Lucina can be an alternate costume for Marth.
I never saw the issue with the other way around
"Hey new girl and you do not have to learn a new moveset, and they have the old guy as a costume."
" i see, I have no issue with this sir. I would like more girls on the roster and if I wish to play as marth, marth is an alternate with the same moveset.Everyone ones, even Steve and I hate that guy."
Maybe its me by due to the nature of his franchise, marth can be a damn chicken, as long as he plays the same. Meh.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Marth and Lucina have different VA's. >:I
So does Hal and John.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You lost me my fellow Villager.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I assumed he were talking about Green Lantern DLC costume in Injustice?
Hot Coldman
Banned
Green Lanterns. The Green Lantern character in Injustice is usually Hal Jordan, but they've introduced a John Stewart "alt costume" that changes the voice actor for the character as well as his appearance.
That's like some Brawl Minus level shenanigan. C.Olimar788
Member
Doing that would be like having Dr. Mario as the character in the game, with normal Mario as his alternate. Which character is the "primary" means a lot in terms of representation and how it will be perceived by the fanbase. I mean, in SSBB look at how many people were annoyed that Wario's "main" costume was his WarioWare outfit instead of his overalls. A case where the alternate costume involves changing the entire character would raise even more issues.
Marth is the face of Fire Emblem - his sword is even the emblem. Even if it is more or less semantic, Marth should stay in and Lucina should be his alt, not the other way around.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I see. Alternate sound packs linked to a particular costume.
Not at all.
Its if they had Kyle Rayner as the green lantern rep. Sure Hal is older and a bit more well known , but having a cool "new"( stretching this word) guy getting the spot light is fine. And I think the idea of having a girl being on of the faces of fire emblem in brawl is a grand idea. Taking of the honorable role of marth. Why not, he can be an alternate, I get a cool chick and people get honored. Why is this bad, why is having a new girl being the rep for fire emblem bad?
So no it isn't like that at all, how did you even come up with that comparison?
C.Olimar788
Member
Okay, let me try a different approach. Let's say, in a hypothetical alternate universe where Nintendo wasn't so stiff with the Zelda franchise, that a game came out where the main character was Malon. In the game, she played more or less like Link - she wielded a sword and shield, and collected various dungeon items typical for the Zelda series.
Now, which would make more sense for Smash Bros. - Malon being playable, with Link as an alt? Or Link playable with Malon as an alt? The answer should hopefully be obvious.
Lucina is great, and I definitely want to play as her in Smash Bros. But she shouldn't take away Marth's spot as the Fire Emblem posterboy - that is, and always will be, Marth and Marth alone.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
you know the weird thing about hal jordan and john stewart is that john is actually the most popular green lantarn due to him being on justice league, ever since then DC has been making sure hal gets all the pushing
You comparison still isn't valid because you are talking about a franchise where the hero besides not being the same guy is essentially the same guy, link. The one we are talking about can be anyone they are just lords, like Kyle , guy , hal, and John are green lanterns.
Now do not get me wrong I do not condone this type of alternate in all situations, actually would argue against it most of the time. Especially in the case of John in injustice because his powers function on will and imagination, and two people having the exact same move set in that situation in silly.( Yes I realize magical color coded sentai space cops is already silly but bear with me here) But in a case like this where the main character could be anyone and these two specifically share the exact same moveset, one trying to adopt the mantle of another, and in the newest game in the series. Why not?
She's new and cool, having a main female rep for fire emblem taking over for marth seems kinda of cool. To compare her to malon is silly, where you getting these comparisons from?
That movie ruined Hal's popularity too.
That seems terrible, and you're the only person who thinks it's a good idea. Marth is the face of Fire Emblem. He's been around for 23 years. You don't just up and replace him with a girl who isn't even the most important character in the single game she appears in.
Blame Geoff Johns for pushing the most boring of all the human Green Lanterns.
Lets see,
- that isnt true, I am sure there are plenty of people who share this sentiment lets not exaggerate here.
- If i learned anything from comic books is that you can replace anyone you want as long as the replacing process isn't crap. Kyle Rayner tried to replace hal, didnt work parralax was terrible. Doc oc living in petes head? Nope that was bad too. John being the main green lantern in The JL cartoon, everyone liked him. He was cool, they did it well they represented him well and got people to like the concept. Miles Morales, while he is only untimate spiderman, he was for the most part well revived.
Hell most people don't even know who the hell Jay Garrick or Allen Scott is.
You make the character cool enough, in a game like smash. It will be just fine, especially given her circumstances, people will understand.
Because doing an entire character's worth of model and animation work for someone functionally identical is damned silly.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
are you talking about hal, or john?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
wrong thread? This thread is for Smash only, but yeah we would hyping for possibility smash reveals.
This is a fan service game, give them what they want. There are other fighting games do this too, this isn't new at all. A fan service game that is supposed to represent the legacy of nintendo seems like the kind of thing you put in the extra work for. Especially one for all things considered, is going to do very well.
We gon' fight.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
john GOAT
As a celebration of Nintendo's history it really doesn't make sense, Marth has been the constant in the FE franchise representation. Replacing him because Lucina "is a girl and cool" seems shortsighted. Having him as a costume would just be bizarre because they are different characters with totally different models.
I dunno if feel like if anyone could make it work, sakurai could make it work. Thats just me. At least she is the right size to be a fighter.
Oh good I thought you were one of those silles who liked guy or something
It seems like we should be arguing that Lucina should be a Marth clone because the costume idea would be a whole new damn character if they want to be accurate and have the right voice. It would be like the Megaman X costume for Zero in MvC, not really pleasing anyone because they didn't go the extra mile and make it a separate character.
The difference here is that Marth has been the Main Character for 4 / 13 games, being also the lord from the first game, and the owner of the sword has been used so far as the Fire Emblem series logo. Lucina isn't even the main lord character from her game (even if she does play an important role).
If Lucina isn't a playable character, what about as an assist trophy? Because I don't see her being Marth's alt.
Your points are completely valid.
I am sure that made inafune happy though.
SSB games are such enormous productions at this point that Nintendo doesn't have the internal staff available to produce them to player expectations. They are already going the extra mile to keep making these things.
Red Arremer
Member
Nobody thought Brawl would, either. I think moveset consistency between titles must be more important to Sakurai than renovating characters that were originally underdeveloped due to deadlines.
Except of course, for the typical isolated "improvement" (ex. Mario's Fludd). Sometimes I just don't understand what's going on in ol' Masahiro's noggin
Counterpoint: Lucas
C.Olimar788
Member
Ack, no talking about Marth getting replaced! No one should think that! I'm confident Ike is getting the boot, though.
Oh, and although I own Fire Emblem: Awakening I've still yet to actually play it but I do hear Chrom mentioned a lot, so I suppose it'll be that guy to take over Ike.
I'm also someone that would also love Isaac as part of the roster, but I suppose that'll be one too many sword users? Ah well.
Oh, and although I own Fire Emblem: Awakening I've still yet to actually play it but I do hear Chrom mentioned a lot, so I suppose it'll be that guy to take over Ike.
I'm also someone that would also love Isaac as part of the roster, but I suppose that'll be one too many sword users? Ah well.
Lucas was available from the start in Brawl, and Ness was unlockable. They could make Lucina available right away (like Ike) and just make Marth a secret char as usual. I could see this happening: a lot of characters in Smash seem to be representative of their latest games. Even Other M or StarFox (ugh) Command.
On the other hand, Olimar's still there, but
he might be in Pikmin 3 as well? haven't played it.
C.Olimar788
Member
Considering the various special references made to Ike in Awakening, I think him being cut is a lot less likely than people think. Fire Emblem having three reps certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, after all.
Being unlockable is a bit of a different situation that being outright replaced and made into an alternate costume, I would think. The post back a page about Zero's X costume in MvC3 is actually a pretty apt comparison, and made exactly Zero people happy. Similarly, Fire Emblem fans would likely be less than pleased if Lucina replaced Marth as the "actual" character rep.