Microsoft: "It’s up to us to prove that [Xbox One is] worth $100 more [than PS4]"

BigDug13 said:
Ok then let's do it another way.

For $400 and $400 only, you can have access to the all the media functionality of the all in one media solution of PS4 as well as having access to 4 games.

For $500 and only $500, you have a box with no playable games and no media functionality on XBO. Where is the $500 "all in one entertainment system"?

For $500 plus tax, you have a box that without spending more money can't do a damned thing.
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I think they are counting on a few things to make it worth that extra $100

1. Better Games - Most important, comes down to personal preference but Microsoft has hit here with me.
2. A 'Next Gen' Feel - XB1's user interface and interaction seems far more advanced than PS4, partly due to Kinect. These features will get some 'wows' from casuals and people that see PS4 as more of the same, just more powerful
3. Entertainment - I am still fairly convinced they haven't played their hand here yet. Either they won't have much for launch or they are still more announcements to be made. Right now they have not made a compelling argument for how XB1 is better for entertainment than PS4 IMO. We don't know their apps, services, or partnerships.
 
LapinAgile said:
If Microsoft repeats this gens performance when it comes to exclusives then you will see rapidly diminishing returns when it comes to long term support. Outside of Forza and arguably Gears their core franchises suffered or were eliminated. Viva Pinata was a great game and they dropped it like a stone. I am not here to hate on MS or their value proposition but as an Xbox customer from the original box, I don't feel like they have delivered on the value I have paid out for.
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Anything Rare go crap quickly. Not to sound like a Rare fanboy but it really did. Viva Pinata and Kameo are good games, but then they wanted to be more serious and made Banjo nuts and bolts*shivers* along with crappy Kinect adventures. It's not really a company anymore.
 
LapinAgile said:
If Microsoft repeats this gens performance when it comes to exclusives then you will see rapidly diminishing returns when it comes to long term support. Outside of Forza and arguably Gears their core franchises suffered or were eliminated. Viva Pinata was a great game and they dropped it like a stone. I am not here to hate on MS or their value proposition but as an Xbox customer from the original box, I don't feel like they have delivered on the value I have paid out for.
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Agreed. If they follow the previous pattern, it will be annoying. It does make sense why the 360 started to dry up, mainly because MS was jumping to the Xbox One. Maybe a bit too early but at least they started working.

I also hope they did learn from the 360 and have a good flow of quality games throughout the life of the Xbox One.
 
In this very specific article context:
All Mr. Penello's portrayed "I think ...", "I believe ..." make it sound like the same usual PR BS, where they can't figure out a clear message and value proposition and push it through.
10 weeks from release and they still need to 'prove' it's worth $100 more.
Just drop the price already.
 
There's a reason the Xbox 360 is leading the US. The year head start is one of the reasons but the other is obviously the price advantage it's had all gen against the PS3.
 
something fishy said:
fair enough.


to me if I own something then I have access to it at all times. if I only have that when' i'm paying a sub it's a rental. just semantics I guess but having it on an account is meaningless if I'm not paying so I don't count that as ownership (especially as there's nothing stopping them changing that in future and taking things off the service).

having said that, we own very little of this stuff anyway, just a license to play it,
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Are you going to pay for Xbox Live next gen? Wouldn't you like to have some extra games to play as part of your subscription?


People paying for PS Plus get extra games to play and you don't get that service with the competition.

If you want to play games online, you have to pay a fee for BOTH systems. Except on PS4, you get to play these games as a part of the subscription, its just added value at $10 cheaper a year.

If you aren't going to play online and pay for these services, then it doesn't matter what services each system is offering. And I haven't even mentioned the services you get on PS4 without the subscription...
 
"I think we do more. I think our games are better. I think as people start to experience Kinect and see what it can do using voice, I think that’s better," he added. "I think the ability to have an all-in-one system where you can plug in the TV, that’s better. I think we’ll have a better online service."
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Games are better? Well, we'll see, but if current gen is any indication, MS is miles behind Sony in the 1st party department.

You always tell us that Kinect is great. But you've never told what is so great about it and you also never showed anything great.
Voice control is pretty "meh", its not like using buttons is a huge pain in the ass... Motion gaming is pretty shit. What exactly is so great about Kinect? Why don't you show us?

The "all-in-one" is a marketing buzzphrase. Also, the whole TV stuff only works in the US. Multimedia-wise the Ps4 is pretty much on par.

We'll see if your online service is better. But the fact that everything is behind paywall isn't a good start. Also PS+ offers WAY more value than XBLG.


"I just believe that we’re going to have a better system."
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I don't.

Ultimately, consumers want to buy the "best thing,"
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Ps4 is more powerful, yet cheaper.
And I am pretty sure that Ps4 will have stronger exclusives, just like Ps3 has more and stronger exclusives than Xbox360.(At least since 2008)
 
Dropping the price before launch could be the worst thing MS could do. Sony fans would have a field day. They could drop the price later when the console needs it.
 
I appreciate the honesty when he says 'I think' and 'I believe', but it just doesn't come off confidence in their system over the competitor, and further reminds us both consoles have VERY similar lineups that come down to taste and Kinect has never been something for the hardcore early adopter. So actually all things considered the only big difference IS the price. And which is better $400 or $500?

But as is Microsoft's problem at the moment, trying to turn their situation around will be difficult. It wouldn't have come off well if they were arrogant about it either.
 
Raide said:
Agreed. If they follow the previous pattern, it will be annoying. It does make sense why the 360 started to dry up, mainly because MS was jumping to the Xbox One. Maybe a bit too early but at least they started working.

I also hope they did learn from the 360 and have a good flow of quality games throughout the life of the Xbox One.
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The same way they dropped support of the original xbox, raised the price of live and "compensated" users by providing gated access to apps and services they already paid a premium for. Once Kinect entered the arena their focus on core games disappeared. it was not the planning of Xbox One, Kinect's reveal was the moment we saw them lose focus on the core. Now live is still 60 dollars, but we have dedicated servers. For some that justifies the price and the other services being held under that same umbrella, but not me. If I am paying you a premium for a service I want to see a tangible benefit.
 
Wickerbasket said:
I know I don't own any of the PS+ Instant Collection games I have attached to my account, but then I'm only paying $60 a year to have access to play 60+ games a year. It's incredible value to be able to play through that many games in a year for the price; I've never had rentals so cheap and for so long.

I'm also aware that I don't own any of Netflix's movies, but having access to watching all those movies is worth the price of entry to me, much in the same way it is with PS+.

What I do own though, are all the PSN games I've bought which PS+ has given me a discount on; which has paid for the cost of the service already.
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Its $50 a year, not $60. Hell best buy has it on sale this upcomming week for $40 for a year..
 
Pound_lb003 said:
I appreciate the honesty when he says 'I think' and 'I believe', but it just doesn't come off confidence in their system over the competitor, and further reminds us both consoles have VERY similar lineups that come down to taste and Kinect has never been something for the hardcore early adopter. So actually all things considered the only big difference IS the price. And which is better $400 or $500?

But as is Microsoft's problem at the moment, trying to turn their situation around will be difficult. It wouldn't have come off well if they were arrogant about it either.
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And the hidden fact that $500 gets you a box with no games and no media functionality while $400 gets you a box with full media functionality and 4 games and 1 tech demo.
 
Of course he thinks they have the better system, he's paid to say that. It wouldn't be any different if he were working for Sony or Nintendo. Look at Reggie's comments for example.

Still don't have faith in MS supporting the One all the way through with a steady stream of first-party games. They might very well do like they did with the 360 and just stop trying once they have a good enough install base. At least with Sony, you KNOW you're getting a system they will support not just to the very end, but for a few years after.
 
PG2G said:
I think they are counting on a few things to make it worth that extra $100

1. Better Games - Most important, comes down to personal preference but Microsoft has hit here with me.
2. A 'Next Gen' Feel - XB1's user interface and interaction seems far more advanced than PS4, partly due to Kinect. These features will get some 'wows' from casuals and people that see PS4 as more of the same, just more powerful
3. Entertainment - I am still fairly convinced they haven't played their hand here yet. Either they won't have much for launch or they are still more announcements to be made. Right now they have not made a compelling argument for how XB1 is better for entertainment than PS4 IMO. We don't know their apps, services, or partnerships.
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Are you purely looking at announced games? What excites me personally about PS4 is the games that aren't even announced yet. Lets be honest, both Xbox One and PS4 launch lineups are nothing special on terms of exclusives.
 
There is a reason $500 or even $400 is not considered a sweet spot for console prices, and $100 definitely makes a difference to those people.
 
If the dashboard/OS works like they say it does and they have some great games I don't see why somebody wouldn't buy a Xbox One if they wanted one.
 
CassidyIzABeast said:
If the dashboard/OS works like they say it does and they have some great games I don't see why somebody wouldn't buy a Xbox One if they wanted one.
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What does the dashboard/OS do exactly for $500? Can I snap a web browser? Nope. Can I make a Skype call? Nope. Can I watch my Netflix? Nope. Can I access a TV Guide? Nope.
 
dearodie said:
In this very specific article context:
All Mr. Penello's portrayed "I think ...", "I believe ..." make it sound like the same usual PR BS, where they can't figure out a clear message and value proposition and push it through.
10 weeks from release and they still need to 'prove' it's worth $100 more.
Just drop the price already.
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Just don't buy one.
 
if this $100 is pertaining to other things besides the gaming hardware, then I don't care. clear all that junk out and focus on the hardware
 
idrinkalone said:
So you blew almost 2gs on a laptop and rip on the xbox. Makes sense.
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Well, let's see, shall we?

What are computers used for? Oh, that's right, work! Entertainment! Games! Any damn thing you want to do on it! I don't buy a GAME console for it's multimedia functionality. I buy a GAME console for the games. Microsoft has not wowed me yet, and I am waiting for the price to come down like many other people are. I can easily buy a $10 HDMI cable, plug that into my MacBook Pro, and I would have all the streaming to my TV that my heart could desire.

Plus, who the fuck rips on people about money and how they spend THEIR OWN money? Grow up for crying out loud.
 
Wickerbasket said:
My bad, I'm in the UK and thought it was $60 in the US. I got my subscription on sale at GAME for £25 for the year.
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It is. You can get it normally for around $50 from places like Amazon and there are steep deals from time to time but the average Joe is going to get it at Best Buy or Gamestop when they pick up their console and those places charge the full retail price of $60.
 
Pain said:
Are you purely looking at announced games? What excites me personally about PS4 is the games that aren't even announced yet. Lets be honest, both Xbox One and PS4 launch lineups are nothing special on terms of exclusives.
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Yeah, primarily because I intend on picking them both up at some point.

Forza is probably one of my favorite games so that is $100 in value for me :P
 
BigDug13 said:
What does the dashboard/OS do exactly for $500? Can I snap a web browser? Nope. Can I make a Skype call? Nope. Can I watch my Netflix? Nope. Can I access a TV Guide? Nope.
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Let's be real, the majority of the people buying either of these consoles are going to be buying the corresponding subscription.
 
I think the PS3 proved that sheer power will carry your console far further compared to alternative input methods like the kinect or other motion controllers.

Even if lightning strikes twice with the kinect, this is marathon, it lacks the longevity.

Pain said:
PS360 are called the HD Twins for a reason.
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Which one has the recessive genes ?
 
Pain said:
PS360 are called the HD Twins for a reason. Their game library is virtually identical save for an Uncharted here and a Halo there.

Of course the 360 is a good system with good games.
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So why not say that in the first place? All I read on here is because of price and head start and that's it. No one seems to mention it also had a much better online service during those early years, many preferred the controller and it had exclusives like Mass Effecf, Dead Rising, Saints Row. Sony did great to turn things around imo.
 
Pound_lb003 said:
What? How does that work?

I definitely don't follow.
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For $500 you have a box with no games and no media functionality. You can sign up for $60 to access your "all in one entertainment system" media, web, and TV overlay functionality for 1 year. So to get started with no games and media functionality, a customer's initial payout is $560.
 
PG2G said:
Let's be real, the majority of the people buying either of these consoles are going to be buying the corresponding subscription.
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Not true. Only about 1/3 of 360 owners pay for Gold. So theoretically only 1/3 of XBO owners will be able to use it for media functionality.

1/3 is nowhere near majority so why is that changing this time?

The majority of gamers on this forum will pay the corresponding subscription, but speaking about the general populace? "majority" isn't even close to true.

And my underlying point is that Sony is offering an all in one media entertainment solution with 4 free games for $400 with no media lockouts.
 
Iacobellis said:
Well, let's see, shall we?

What are computers used for? Oh, that's right, work! Entertainment! Games! Any damn thing you want to do on it! I don't buy a GAME console for it's multimedia functionality. I buy a GAME console for the games. Microsoft has not wowed me yet, and I am waiting for the price to come down like many other people are. I can easily buy a $10 HDMI cable, plug that into my MacBook Pro, and I would have all the streaming to my TV that my heart could desire.

Plus, who the fuck rips on people about money and how they spend THEIR OWN money? Grow up for crying out loud.
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I think your over emphasizing the word GAME console. There's no such thing anymore. This isn't 1995. Every GAME console will and should do more than just GAMES. The fact the xbone will do what you are saying you can do with a 10$ hdmi cable is pretty cool, no? Btw if you're paying 10$ for an hdmi cable you're paying 5$ too much.
 
Iacobellis said:
Well, let's see, shall we?

What are computers used for? Oh, that's right, work! Entertainment! Games! Any damn thing you want to do on it! I don't buy a GAME console for it's multimedia functionality. I buy a GAME console for the games. Microsoft has not wowed me yet, and I am waiting for the price to come down like many other people are. I can easily buy a $10 HDMI cable, plug that into my MacBook Pro, and I would have all the streaming to my TV that my heart could desire.

Plus, who the fuck rips on people about money and how they spend THEIR OWN money? Grow up for crying out loud.
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X1 launch line up is better in the eyes of majority I believe. So if they haven't shown you something yet with their games, PS4 must not have yet either.
 
So far, they definitely have not.

The hardware isn't as good, yet it costs more. I don't really care about all the added media functionality on the OS level, especially since Gold will more or less be mandatory to make the most of it. Maybe if they added some compelling exclusive features to Gold, rather than just throwing basic features behind a paywall, I would be somewhat convinced. But I'm not even close to being convinced after seeing their efforts with Games for Gold.
 
Pound_lb003 said:
What? How does that work?

I definitely don't follow.
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PG2G said:
F2P and apps are behind XBLG pay wall but not PS+ pay wall
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This. Albert is spouting typical PR shit, but to come out and say you don't see a big deal between something being $400 vs $500 in an economy that is still recovering and forcing consumers to spend smarter, you can see why some people can't take him seriously whenever he comes in GAF and does damage control or "clarifies" something in a thread. Great guy, but still a mouthpiece.
 
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