Analyst: If Xbox One Tanks, It Could Be Microsoft's Last Console
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I dunno, Halo sales seem to have plateaued at the 8-9 million copy sold per installment, doesn't seem to be much growth there.
care to share how much its worth?
lol
BlackProdigy
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If you guys think the industry is the same when it was only Nintendo and Sega then idk what else to tell you guys.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
They do. They have. They've done it so much Nintendo's practically dead already to them. They need a new target.
<Sigh> It's Labor Day weekend.
People keep talking about the official Apple controller for iOS, except that it is more likely to be a niche product for a niche fanbase, namely people who want to play their mobile games with buttons rather than the touchscreen. If Apple TV actually ends up playing iOS games, then I would suspect that most games will be played with a touchpad like Sony's Dual Shock 4. It might have buttons but it would likely look more akin to a merger of a remote control, a touchpad, and an NES controller. It won't be the familiar Dual Shock design that most game consoles have used.
Neuro
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There is an interesting article on Gamasutra on this, maybe someone will find the link, most of the other Halo apart from Halo 3 have not really moved too many 360s last gen, they have actually lost the players interest in the franchise after Halo 3, its been a downward trend
Halo: Combat Evolved 6.43 million
Halo 2 8.49 million
Halo 3 11.78 million
Halo Wars 2.34 million
Halo 3: ODST 6.16 million
Halo: Reach 9.44 million
Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary 2.17 million
Halo 4 8.38 million
Halo 5 might be able to boost the sales for X1 post launch, but I dont know for how long it will hold on
polyh3dron
Banned
Two completely different situations. Nintendo is a video game company. They make money off of video games. They don't have shareholders who want them to get out of the video game business because if they do that, what else is there? Nintendo is in the video game business for the long haul and can survive this generation being the loser and maybe even make a little bit of money by the end of it. Also, 3DS profits will make up for any losses incurred by the Wii U.
Microsoft is not only a video game company and the vast majority of their profits come from OS licensing and enterprise business. The Xbox division loses money for them but in the past there have been advocates for it in the company as something of a loss leader in order to get into your living room so to speak. But a bad showing in this gen could be all she wrote for MS in the video game world and they could drop it easily and be more profitable with their other ventures. You see how quickly they dropped the Kin and Zune.
BlackProdigy
Member
HALO 4 ONLY SOLD 8MILLION...MICROSOFT IS DOOMED!!
Neuro
Member
They need games, that's it...I will plunk down my money for a Metroid or LoZ game..
yep. plus now they aren't doing so great with windows 8, windows RT and windows phone. Their shareholders may think they should focus on their core products before continuing to chase after the damn living room again.
CambriaRising
Member
If you actually read his post you would know that he was talking about the attach rate per console for the franchise. Not saying that the franchise doesn't do well.
Neuro
Member
Its largely the same people who bought Halo 3, Halo Reach, Halo 4 did not move any units neither did Reach. They have roughly 70-75 million consoles sold by the end of this generation, only a minor fraction of those have actually played Halo.
digoutyoursoul
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All my cheevos down the toilet 
Syphon Filter
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I'm not sure Halo moves systems anymore. Lots of people disliked Halo 4.
BuggyDClown
Member
This is about as far from right as you could be.
Official image from Apples official supported controller layout for iOS 7 devices. Literally it's the only thing missing to turn on games and add some more flash memory to a new apple tv.
When these devices are available in the next month or so, it's practically flipping a switch for apple. The idea that they would do some other touch pad or weird controller for apple tv only is wrong at best.
inpHilltr8r
Member
MS dropping out is unlikely, but with the twin earthquakes of the reorganisation and Ballmer resigning, it can't be ruled out entirely. That said I wouldn't bet on it. I mean, they're still in phones, and their market share there is laughable.
Neuro
Member
Halo 5 will move systems, I'd reckon it will atleast move 5-6 million units of the X1 broadening their base. Subsequent entries in the franchise might not, it will a smaller set of players who have bought Halo 5 will buy into the other entries in the franchise.
Didn't know that. I've been using that symbol for as long as I can remember.
Syphon Filter
Member
How come?
digoutyoursoul
Member
Hopefully you won't get your wish
Joke post?
Psssst...the console gaming industry was just fine before MS entered it...and will be just fine if they exit.
BuggyDClown
Member
I'm honestly way more concerned about the Xbox division in general than I am in the Xbox. I feel like it's going to do fairly well, PS4 may be off to a strong lead in mindshare, but it's hard to say what will happen as the games start to come out.
Both offer such great compelling experiences, I hope this is not the last generation for Xbox, or at least for console gaming.
Both offer such great compelling experiences, I hope this is not the last generation for Xbox, or at least for console gaming.
professor_t
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Hasn't the Xbox brand continued to fare better and better since it's inception?
Market share has increased dramatically.
Xbox Live Gold is a figurative goldmine.
The console has thumped the competition in the world's biggest market for about 30 months in a row.
Why all the doom and gloom over a brand that has been on a steady upswing? Yeah, Xbox One has been a PR disaster, but we still can't count those eggs until they hatch.
Market share has increased dramatically.
Xbox Live Gold is a figurative goldmine.
The console has thumped the competition in the world's biggest market for about 30 months in a row.
Why all the doom and gloom over a brand that has been on a steady upswing? Yeah, Xbox One has been a PR disaster, but we still can't count those eggs until they hatch.
gaming_noob
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This is where Valve or Samsung jumps in...
dorkimoe
Member
competition is good for consumers. If sony was the only console on the market, there is no competition with price or things they add. If the xbox one didnt exist, sony would not have priced their console that low
goldenpp72
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The Halo series sells between 6-10 million every time a mainline game releases. If another company not named Sony or Nintendo bought it, the series would be expanded to 2 other platforms and likely consistently sell at least 10 million copies. Factoring things like shelf life and price drops, dev cost, other fees, it's safe to say the series can pull 400-500 million each release. Which would mean a publisher could probably make a billion dollars back within 2-3 years of releasing games in the series.
Businesses do not sell things like this due to the value of one release, they do it based on it's general power and potential. The Halo series on 360 probably made MS 1-1.5 billion alone and that's not factoring anything outside of the 360 releases. No company would be stupid enough to sell something like Halo for what would likely be the profit amount of 4-5 years of development time at most. They would sell it based on how much it can make over decades and come to an agreement based on something more fair I imagine.
Something like Mega Man is probably worth less than a billion dollars these days, but even that amount probably wouldn't pry it out of Capcom's hands anytime soon. MS could likely sell the IP to a company like EA and make more money than they ever lost on the Xbox platform.
H_Prestige
Banned
Sega was once a powerful console brand. It doesn't mean anything. If the board decides it doesn't want MS to be in consumer, then they will get rid of Xbox.
Xbox is not a goldmine in any sense of the world. You can't just look at Live profits in isolation without considering the billions MS pours into the business. Because then the picture isn't so nice.
Syphon Filter
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What about Nintendo?
Syphon Filter
Member
Why would the board want them out if MS makes tons of cash on xbl?
AMD is the current vendor of choice for all three, so they can guarantee a profit no matter who wins.
Nvidia's in-house CPU tech is extremely limited, though I suppose they could go to IBM or wait another few years for high-end ARM to catch low-end x86.
Universal broadband penetration in the US would require a massive works program the likes of which this country hasn't seen since we built the highway system in the 1950s. Given this country's broken, polarized, and corporatized political system there's no way Congress reaches a consensus to make this happen anytime soon. And there's no profit for private corps to make it happen. I'd say barring a political miracle the dream of all digital delivery and thin clients will remain a dream for the next decade at least.
because of the giant losses they took because of the original Xbox and the RROD disaster .
Investors want to see results of profitability year one .
if the X1 doesn't satisfy them .there will be pressure from them to close it down.
H_Prestige
Banned
The board looks at the overall Xbox division, not just a single aspect.
ZombiePlatypus
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I'd rather have someone else take their place. They've been awful.
Syphon Filter
Member
I doubt someone will take their place if they do leave. How have they been awful?
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
Here in Austria it went from 25mbps to 150mbps for the same price, which is half of what I paid for 25mbps (Cox) in CA and there's already an option to upgrade to 250mbps.
I think worrying about broadband looking forward is a bit shortsighted.