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[fluffydelusions]

It is currently spreading around the web that a PS+ subscription will be required in order for you to make use of the PS4 and Vita’s Remote Play features, which seems like a massive drawback since it’s such a core feature.
That is not the case however – the original comment asks whether PlayStation Plus will be required for playing PS4 games online on the Vita, with Playstation Blog Manager Fred Dutton confirming that, quite obviously, you would need PS+ for that, as all online multiplayer games on PS4 require a subscription to the service.

He also confirms that online gaming on the Vita – as with the upcoming Killzone: Mercenary – will remain outside of the PS+ paywall even after the PS4′s release, as it always has.

Seems like a bit of a misread then, we just thought it would be best to make a post in order to clear up any confusion.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/02/no-you-wont-need-playstation-plus-for-remote-play/

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This has never been the case. Why is it that we need some of these things clarified? I suppose MSFT's transparency does things to shake people's trust in even basic things.

 

[Courage]

No, Sony Isn't Microsoft, according to TheSixthAxis

 

[Ricerocket]

Basically the only thing behind PS+ is just to play MP online. Actually Gaikai in 2014 will definitely be PS+ feature.

 

[kadotsu]

Of course you don't. Remote play doesn't require any infrastructure and Sony isn't in the business of monetizing boolean values.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Expected, but nice none-the-less.

 

[BigDug13]

Basically the only thing behind PS+ is just to play MP online. Actually Gaikai in 2014 will definitely be PS+ feature.

And only non-MMO's and non-f2p's. War Frame, Warthunder, Planetside 2, Blacklight Retribution(?), and eventually hopefully Everquest Next will all be playable multiplayer via remote play on your Vita without PS+

 

[Guymelef]

Basically the only thing behind PS+ is just to play MP online. Actually Gaikai in 2014 will definitely be PS+ feature.

I imagine Gaikai will be PS++

 

[McDougles]

The original source as quoted "spreading" the idea that PS+ was required for remote play was PlayStation Lifestyle, so I think that piece might actually have been necessary.

 

[Jockel]

Of course you don't. Remote play doesn't require any infrastructure and Sony isn't in the business of monetizing boolean values.

I was gonna post something like that, so this.

 

[SolsticeZero]

Was there ever a belief otherwise?

 

[fluffydelusions]

Was there ever a belief otherwise?

There were rumors floating around.

 

[Prince Vultan]

Jesus... when was this ever even a possibility?

Would be dick move enough to be putting apps and features behind Plus, but locking actual base hardware functions behind a paywall would just be the lowest shit anyone could pull.

 

[Freki]

Jesus... when was this ever even a possibility?

Would be dick move enough to be putting apps and features behind Plus, but locking actual base hardware functions behind a paywall would just be the lowest shit anyone could pull.

You mean like the game dvr on xbox one?

 

[CambriaRising]

It's cruddy that this even needs to be clarified because of people and journalists spreading fud. Like the giantbomb guys saying that streaming was behind ps+ on the last bombcast.

 

[JumpJeff84]

My concern about remote play is the disparity of buttons on the Vita and PS4. I hate the idea of using the rear touch pad on Vita for anything, but sadly I'll have to do this.

Still looking forward to the feature though- I love playing WiiU games on the pad.

 

[Prince Vultan]

You mean like the game dvr on xbox one?

Seriously? Surely it'd just be the uploading and online stuff rather than actually just using the function on your own console... right?

 

[SolsticeZero]

It's cruddy that this even needs to be clarified because of people and journalists spreading fud. Like the giantbomb guys saying that streaming was behind ps+ on the last bombcast.

Sony just needs to come out and say, "Yo. Online Gaming and the regular Plus content are the only things restricted to PS+"

 

[BigDug13]

Was there ever a belief otherwise?

There's this segment of these forums that continues to have a defense of "Well Sony will do it too". It started with the "online required checkins" and "no used games" policies, and then it ballooned into "f2p will be behind online paywalls just like Gold" and "DVR was unveiled to be paywalled on Xbox, surely Sony's game DVR will also be paywalled", and now it's "every new Sony feature is probably going to get locked behind the PS+ paywall".

And it mostly stems from the absurdity that MS isn't changing their paywall tune in the face of such a fierce competitor that is keeping more and more things as "free" on their console.

 

[Santar]

In a recent interview Shuhei Yoshida did state that certain conveniences would be behind the ps plus paywall, though he did not specify what those were. So at least some features will be restricted to plus.
Here's the interview (at around 15m mark for the ps plus mention)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmUxCmGo9I8&feature=youtu.be

 

[Freki]

Seriously? Surely it'd just be the uploading and online stuff rather than actually just using the function on your own console... right?

 

[TheRealTalker]

In a recent interview Shuhei Yoshida did state that certain conveniences would be behind the ps plus paywall, though he did not specify what those were. So at least some features will be restricted to plus.
Here's the interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmUxCmGo9I8&feature=youtu.be

probably something to do with faster downloads, bigger cloud saves and quicker updates

 

[Santar]

probably something to do with faster downloads, bigger cloud saves and quicker updates

Are you joking? I can't see them doing anything like that.
Imagine the backlash.

 

[Dragonborn]

It's crazy how people try to spread any bad rumor they can about the PS4. I'm glad Sony is on it and stops misinformation from spreading. This "sony too" mentality people have needs to stop. I would have thought they'd have learned by now.

 

[Prince Vultan]

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

It's cruddy that this even needs to be clarified because of people and journalists spreading fud. Like the giantbomb guys saying that streaming was behind ps+ on the last bombcast.

Never listen to Giantbomb for inside news. They barely know when a game comes out. Don't get me wrong they are entertaining, but I don't know how all of them can be working in the industry and seemingly know so little. You would think they would be the most informed.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Are you joking? I can't see them doing anything like that.
Imagine the backlash.

no I'm not joking... cloud saves makes sense since you wouldn't get that for free

Spoiler

in my point of view anyway

quicker downloads/updates could just mean you have a faster broadband connection and after Gamescom Sony teased that potential broadband packages for people who don't have the luxury of quicker internet speeds and if they would package that in or discount it with PS + seems quite reasonable

Edit: Oh and maybe some discount/tie in with their Potential Playstation TV and Music Unlimited

 

[excaliburps]

There's this segment of these forums that continues to have a defense of "Well Sony will do it too". It started with the "online required checkins" and "no used games" policies, and then it ballooned into "f2p will be behind online paywalls just like Gold" and "DVR was unveiled to be paywalled on Xbox, surely Sony's game DVR will also be paywalled", and now it's "every new Sony feature is probably going to get locked behind the PS+ paywall".

And it mostly stems from the absurdity that MS isn't changing their paywall tune in the face of such a fierce competitor that is keeping more and more things as "free" on their console.

Yep, noticed that, too. Seems like some people can't accept that Sony is doing X for free, or (hate to use the term) bitter since Sony has been getting good news consistently.

Good news is good news regardless who it is. In this case, assumptions led to the necessity of clarifcation.

 

[RalchAC]

Lol, i make a mistake. It's not the thread i want to post.

 

[coldfoot]

Allegiances to corporations are stupid but this is pretty much the reason why I would never have a MS console over a Sony one.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

This has never been the case. Why is it that we need some of these things clarified? I suppose MSFT's transparency does things to shake people's trust in even basic things.

This in a nutshell. It's kind of pissing me off to in a way because it's becoming an annoyance. MSFT fucks ups aren't the same as Sony.

 

[excaliburps]

Allegiances to corporations are stupid but this is pretty much the reason why I would never have a MS console over a Sony one.

Kinda sad that ever since the Xbox One DRM fiasco, every little feature needs to be clarified if it's free or not.

Sadder when you found out it's not.

 

[Killthee]

probably something to do with faster downloads, bigger cloud saves and quicker updates

Auto updates sit outside the paywall while cloud saves will continue being behind it. Priority access to downloads sounds like a shitty thing to lock behind the paywall and I really hope they decide against going that route.

"If you choose not to subscribe we are still gating relatively little in many senses, so access to online catch-up TV and online movie services sit outside of the gate, for example. The social features of PS4 and PS4 games sit out of the subscription service... things like auto-updates on PS4 sit outside of PlayStation Plus, so we're trying to be as balanced and as fair as we possibly can. If you choose to pay the subscription, yes, you get one important element of modern-day gameplay, but you also get fantastic value in games, including the PlayStation Plus Edition of DriveClub."

http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_details_ps4_playstation_plus_changes.html

Cloud storage and discounts
I can confirm that on top of the combined 2GB cloud storage we currently provide for PS3 and PS Vita users, members with a PS4 will receive an additional 1GB of cloud storage.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013...-on-ps4-the-revolution-continues/#more-142811

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Pfft, not charging for an expected service

 

[Plinko]

More great news.

 

[Salex]

I can't believe people are ignoring all of this. 2 months ago my XBL Gold ran out and I wasn't in the mood to play any fighting games for the last 2 months so I didn't renew it. I was laying down and decided to try to watch Netflix on my 50' HDTV only to find out that I couldn't even use Netflix then I tried Crackle and it didn't work, then I tried Youtube and it didn't work. I couldn't believe it and had to turn to my Android phone to watch a movie on Netflix that night.

 

[Fuzzy]

I imagine Gaikai will be PS++

I would hope not. If Gaikai requires a subscription (it will) then you better be able to have it without PS+.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

It's cruddy that this even needs to be clarified because of people and journalists spreading fud. Like the giantbomb guys saying that streaming was behind ps+ on the last bombcast.

I almost yelled at the radio when they said that. Seriously, love Giantbomb, but the amount of misinformation and just saying things without confirming them (especially Brad) is pretty bad.

 

[LeleSocho]

It makes me sad that is considered a news.

 

[BigDug13]

I would hope not. If Gaikai requires a subscription (it will) then you better be able to have it without PS+.

It's not that simple. Consider the following scenario:

PS+ is currently $4.17 per month.

They determine internally that Gaikai costs per each PS4 owner (whether they have PS+ or not) is $8.34 per month to make it sustainable for Sony.

If they just offer PS++ for $8.34 per month (so you get PS+ and Gaikai for the cost that they determined internally Gaikai needed for individual pricing), did you get screwed?

You were never going to be able to get it for an additional $4.17, it was always going to cost you $8.34, but they lumped it into PS+ so that for your $8.34, you get the PS+ benefits as well. So in that scenario you didn't get screwed, they just didn't reveal the internal pricing calculations to you.

I can see your concern, and I'll reserve judgement until the pricing and packages are released. I'm just saying if it's lumped into something like a PS++, that doesn't automatically mean they're forcing PS+ subscription money to be ripped from your wallet.

 

[level44]

Excellent. Very happy with my PS4 preorder.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

It's not that simple. Consider the following scenario:

PS+ is currently $4.17 per month.

They determine internally that Gaikai costs per each PS4 owner (whether they have PS+ or not) is $8.34 per month to make it sustainable for Sony.

If they just offer PS++ for $8.34 per month (so you get PS+ and Gaikai for the cost that they determined internally Gaikai needed for individual pricing), did you get screwed?

You were never going to be able to get it for an additional $4.17, it was always going to cost you $8.34, but they lumped it into PS+ so that for your $8.34, you get the PS+ benefits as well. So in that scenario you didn't get screwed, they just didn't reveal the internal pricing calculations to you.

I can see your concern, and I'll reserve judgement until the pricing and packages are released. I'm just saying if it's lumped into something like a PS++, that doesn't automatically mean they're forcing PS+ subscription money to be ripped from your wallet.

Just the same as Xbox live. It costs them money to get the apps and run the servers etc.

Instead of charging $1 a month for that separately they just charge $5 for everything and it's all included.

 

[Version 3.0]

If I'm a PS+ member, can I get reverse Remote Play? I'm not remotely interested in using my Vita to play PS4 games, but the other way around would be fantastic.

Spoiler

pun intended

 

[Version 3.0]

Sony just needs to come out and say, "Yo. Online Gaming and the regular Plus content are the only things restricted to PS+"

I think they could get right back to the insane level of goodwill (for doing nothing) that they had post-E3 "no DRM" announcement by doing their own 180 on that multiplayer paywall.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I can't believe people are ignoring all of this. 2 months ago my XBL Gold ran out and I wasn't in the mood to play any fighting games for the last 2 months so I didn't renew it. I was laying down and decided to try to watch Netflix on my 50' HDTV only to find out that I couldn't even use Netflix then I tried Crackle and it didn't work, then I tried Youtube and it didn't work. I couldn't believe it and had to turn to my Android phone to watch a movie on Netflix that night.

It's one of the reasons I didn't even bother to connect my Xbox 360 online, it also a reason I hardly ever played it outside of the early kinect messing around with family. Kids in the 80s would have lost their minds over this, today they get tired of it quick it seem.

 

[BigDug13]

Just the same as Xbox live. It costs them money to get the apps and run the servers etc.

Instead of charging $1 a month for that separately they just charge $5 for everything and it's all included.

Partially. Xbox is not doing any work on Netflix servers, Hulu servers, internet browsing to other servers, youtube servers, f2p game servers, Elder Scrolls Online $15 per month servers. Yet costs $5 additional a month to use on Xbox Live.

 

[casmith07]

I think they could get right back to the insane level of goodwill (for doing nothing) that they had post-E3 "no DRM" announcement by doing their own 180 on that multiplayer paywall.

They won't. One of the big reasons people didn't like PS3's online multiplayer is that the maintenance, administration, and such was extremely lackluster, while Microsoft's has been very robust.

By putting multiplayer under PS+ features, they hopefully add a hurdle for 12-year-old, racist trolls to make it a little bit more difficult to get online, but at the same time are also hopefully able to pull some of the revenue to improve their online services which honestly have been fairly poor on PS3.

 

[msdstc]

So how well should we expect remote play to run? Also will it be like the current one where you can play on wifi?

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Partially. Xbox is not doing any work on Netflix servers, Hulu servers, internet browsing to other servers, youtube servers, f2p game servers, Elder Scrolls Online $15 per month servers. Yet costs $5 additional a month to use on Xbox Live.

They still are purchasing content though and there is still servers to run, there is a cost associated with the apps and everything else online. It maybe isn't much but its fair that everyone going online pays rather than just people playing paid multiplayer games.

I selfishly don't want to be subsidising someone to play f2p, watch Netflix or play fantasy football etc

 

[CorrisD]

Was there ever a belief otherwise?

In a previous topic some people here thought it was due to someone from Gaikai saying that their technology was helping Sony with the remote play feature. Which to some meant that it was using their online network to do it, which isn't the case of course and a bunch of us said as much in the topic.