No, You Won't Need PlayStation Plus For Remote Play

They still are purchasing content though and there is still servers to run, there is a cost associated with the apps and everything else online. It maybe isn't much but its fair that everyone going online pays rather than just people playing paid multiplayer games.

I selfishly don't want to be subsidising someone to play f2p, watch Netflix or play fantasy football etc

If the Xbox One existed in a bubble with no competition, your words would ring true. If the Xbox One was dominating in preorders over PS4 and if Sony was viewed as doing all the wrong things, your words would ring true. If Microsoft was able to emphatically show why even f2p games should be locked away behind a paywall when their competition does no such thing, you would have a point.

But Microsoft and the Xbox One do not exist in a bubble. They can choose to persist in their paywall policies, and their defenders can continue to try to paint a picture where Sony is going to do the "same thing as MS". But the reality is that Sony simply isn't and they're showcasing a value proposition that gives the $400 spender who doesn't care about online gaming plenty to look forward to.

less than 40% of the 77 million XBO owners pay for Gold (I used to be one of them for 7 years). That's around 35 million subscribers at best. The remaining 42 million do not use their Xbox to play f2p games, netflix, hulu, internet, youtube, etc. I personally can no longer use my 360 to play f2p games, netflix, hulu, internet browsing, youtube, update rosters on games, etc. I'm just thankful the arcade games and Rock Band DLC that I've purchased is not locked away.

Is a PS3 or PS4 owner subsidizing that f2p player? You seem to have all the financials figured out when ultimately the basic question every consumer should care about is "how much does this cost me compared to the competition." Advertising an "all in one media system" doesn't quite work in the face of the $400 option with no subscription fees giving you that same stuff but without voice control.
 
If the Xbox One existed in a bubble with no competition, your words would ring true. If the Xbox One was dominating in preorders over PS4 and if Sony was viewed as doing all the wrong things, your words would ring true. If Microsoft was able to emphatically show why even f2p games should be locked away behind a paywall when their competition does no such thing, you would have a point.

But Microsoft and the Xbox One do not exist in a bubble. They can choose to persist in their paywall policies, and their defenders can continue to try to paint a picture where Sony is going to do the "same thing as MS". But the reality is that Sony simply isn't and they're showcasing a value proposition that gives the $400 spender who doesn't care about online gaming plenty to look forward to.

less than 40% of the 77 million XBO owners pay for Gold (I used to be one of them for 7 years). That's around 35 million subscribers at best. The remaining 42 million do not use their Xbox to play f2p games, netflix, hulu, internet, youtube, etc. I personally can no longer use my 360 to play f2p games, netflix, hulu, internet browsing, youtube, update rosters on games, etc. I'm just thankful the arcade games and Rock Band DLC that I've purchased is not locked away.

Is a PS3 or PS4 owner subsidizing that f2p player? You seem to have all the financials figured out when ultimately the basic question every consumer should care about is "how much does this cost me compared to the competition." Advertising an "all in one media system" doesn't quite work in the face of the $400 option with no subscription fees giving you that same stuff but without voice control.

I care about me as a consumer not really about other people. If I need to pay to play online why should someone who wants to play a F2P or subscription game not need to? Does it cost MS any less than that I am playing World of Tank rather than Fifa?

Gotta agree about Sony though, when I saw this article I was like what?

Sony have been so clear and consistent on everything from the start, I have no idea why these things keep coming up.
 
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Need XBOX Live gold to use Skype? Haha.

Anyway, even though I will be a PS+ Subscriber, glad Sony isn't putting a great feature like Remote Play behind a pay wall. Some PS4 games will look awesome on OLED.
 
This has never been the case. Why is it that we need some of these things clarified? I suppose MSFT's transparency does things to shake people's trust in even basic things.
Was going to post just this. Amazing how MS's policies scare everyone on platforms that don't belong to MS.
 
Was going to post just this. Amazing how MS's policies scare everyone on platforms that don't belong to MS.
Beforehand it was presumed that the bone was going draconian because of publisher pressure, and that similar pressure had to be coming down on Sony. After e3 there is still some doubt because of PS4's paid multiplayer copycat action I'd think.
 
I care about me as a consumer not really about other people. If I need to pay to play online why should someone who wants to play a F2P or subscription game not need to? Does it cost MS any less than that I am playing World of Tank rather than Fifa?

Gotta agree about Sony though, when I saw this article I was like what?

Sony have been so clear and consistent on everything from the start, I have no idea why these things keep coming up.

Subscription games already have a monthly fee. F2P games are free to play. Such things are obvious and for people pushing back I question their laziness. Why exactly should I pay to access Netflix when every other device does not require it. There is no rational explanation beyond MS are greedy and people pay for it. Neither of which is viable in the slightest.
 
I understand that, it's currently garbage.

Well their execs have said latency will be unnoticable, but that's probably speaking of adhoc mode where you connect Vita directly to PS4. Not sure how many "hops" the signal can take, or if it allows true away from home remote play, or what.
 
This has never been the case. Why is it that we need some of these things clarified? I suppose MSFT's transparency does things to shake people's trust in even basic things.

Microsoft has normalized it. We can thank Xbox and Xbox fans.

There's hardware in each PS4 dedicated to remote play. It will be leagues better than it ever was on PS3.

Really hope this is the case. Lately I've bought a few cross buy games and it's nice being able to go back and forth between Vita and PS3 even at home. Sometimes I just want to play in bed etc.
 
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