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You're not #500 in line for any given available girl; it's much more about being the guy who takes the iniative over the other guys who are too nervous or lacking in self confidence to go for it, which would be most of those hundreds surrounding her. That's the easiest and most important selection process a girl has for a boyfriend: that he has the balls to put himself out there on the line for a shot at her.

Refuse to accept that you're not good enough for someone, and at the same time strive to be the best version of yourself so that you have that assurance and composure to fall back on. Then say "fuck it." You have to go for what you want in this world, that's the only way it works.

I read this and said, "damn dat truth", then went to reply and saw it was EviLore with a new pic.

Yeah I finally broke up with the gf last week. I just turned 31 and saw that there was no way in hell I could spend my life with her. I want kids someday and I want stability. She acted looney way too often, and she was the type to find a reason to make me the mustache-twirling villain every damn day.

I have a date Friday with a girl who is so completely not something I thought I would ever go for (hipster). It's nice to see that I can still pull in dates after being out of commission for so long.
 
Well if they like you, they are finding you more attractive and interesting than other guys. And how to do that, is to put yourself out there.

I was thinking more along the lines of how you tend to be more interested in a few people within a group than others, even if you find all of them attractive. My assumption was that the reverse was a prerequisite - as in, a girl would only be willing to start a relationship with a select few.
 
I read this and said, "damn dat truth", then went to reply and saw it was EviLore with a new pic.

Yeah I finally broke up with the gf last week. I just turned 31 and saw that there was no way in hell I could spend my life with her. I want kids someday and I want stability. She acted looney way too often, and she was the type to find a reason to make me the mustache-twirling villain every damn day.

I have a date Friday with a girl who is so completely not something I thought I would ever go for (hipster). It's nice to see that I can still pull in dates after being out of commission for so long.

WHAT?!
That poor girl flew you over to her for some sex, and was apparently doing everything to make you happy.

Man, you cold hearted.
 
You can't just cheap out with your gifts to women. How much did you spend? Anything less than $1000 is a waste of money.

lol

I appreciate the joke, but I was checking my Facebook messages and noticed that, yup, she blocked me.

It hurt more than it should to be honest.
 
I still can't shake the self-esteem issues I have in regards to potential romantic relationships. I'm attractive enough, funny enough, interesting enough, etc, which is OK for friendships (I guess - I don't have a whole lot of close friends), but I get the impression that anything further requires more. It's just hard to see why anyone would be interested in me over the hundreds of other guys they're surrounded by every day.
Most girls aren't surrounded by hundreds of guys actively trying to get with them. I think guys tend to overestimate the number of men that actually make a move. And I think for both genders, someone who makes a move will stand out more than someone who didn't in most cases.
 
It's never too late if you actually want to try. How's your social situation in general? How are your relationships with your friends? Coworkers? Would you say you're reasonably friendly and affable and just have a problem closing the deal with women specifically? Or is this part of a bigger social dysfunction?

My social situation is really bad. I have two friends and we get together maybe once a month. I work as a security guard at Pearson intl, so I only meet my coworkers at the job (and I don't want to hang out with most of them).

I would say I am very friendly but I suffer from social anxiety that goes in and out
 
My social situation is really bad. I have two friends and we get together maybe once a month. I work as a security guard at Pearson intl, so I only meet my coworkers at the job (and I don't want to hang out with most of them).

I would say I am very friendly but I suffer from social anxiety that goes in and out
Pearson? So you're in TO? Go to a GAF meetup, I've been once and its a good bunch of people.
 
You're not #500 in line for any given available girl; it's much more about being the guy who takes the iniative over the other guys who are too nervous or lacking in self confidence to go for it, which would be most of those hundreds surrounding her. That's the easiest and most important selection process a girl has for a boyfriend: that he has the balls to put himself out there on the line for a shot at her.

Refuse to accept that you're not good enough for someone, and at the same time strive to be the best version of yourself so that you have that assurance and composure to fall back on. Then say "fuck it." You have to go for what you want in this world, that's the only way it works.

I was going to quote this post and say listen to this man but then i saw it was you and people praise you too much already that its bothering me.

But yes, this is the only thing you have to put in your mind when you're out there and not talking to a girl. Just have the balls to say/do something. And try not to care if you get burned anyway.
 
My social situation is really bad. I have two friends and we get together maybe once a month. I work as a security guard at Pearson intl, so I only meet my coworkers at the job (and I don't want to hang out with most of them).

I would say I am very friendly but I suffer from social anxiety that goes in and out

I have about the same amount of friends that I consider close, and we get together about the same amount. One of them is family. When I meet new people I'm always intimidated...are they smarter than me, in better shape, make more money...all that shit. Then I just sit down and start talking with them and realize that none of that shit matters. No one will think you're not good enough or incapable or anything if you assume (correctly, most of the time) that they're in exactly the same place as you.

Now, when I smoked grass, fuck was I paranoid. Man.
 
I was going to quote this post and say listen to this man but then i saw it was you and people praise you too much already that its bothering me.

But yes, this is the only thing you have to put in your mind when you're out there and not talking to a girl. Just have the balls to say/do something. And try not to care if you get burned anyway.
Owner of GAF or not, Evilore is always spot on in here, honestly.
 
I've been back in the dating game after a 12 month break after breaking up with my long term gf. She was uber hot but uber hardwork and really knocked my confidence constantly saying shes too good for me etc

Messed up with a girl I met. Really got on but something wasn't right. Need to get my ex out my head.

Free tip, if a girl asks if you are down cos of an ex...never say yes! So that one ended badly.

I have another 2 girls lined up so hopefully won't fuck things up again :-(
 
so I am 29 year old virgin, never been out with a girl before


should I start panicking?

It's okay bro. I was 29 as well.

Hit the gym and man up cos life aint over, met an amazing girl, 3 years later it didn't workout but gained shitloads of experience. You can too.
 
Most girls aren't surrounded by hundreds of guys actively trying to get with them. I think guys tend to overestimate the number of men that actually make a move. And I think for both genders, someone who makes a move will stand out more than someone who didn't in most cases.

So how does one actually go about making a move in a way that doesn't seem anime-ish("I want to confess to you senpai!)? I'm curious. I've only ever had like one relationship and I just....don't know how to go about it naturally. Is it just moving in for the kiss when it feels right?
 
Ok, so today something happened that really made me smile. I've spent a long time crafting myself socially into what I hope is a confident, fun, and not needy person. One of the things I've learned in pursuing relationships is that you should stick to what you want and ALWAYS make sure the girl respects you. Once she loses respect, its over.

I used to be very defensive when I was younger because one of my friends attempted to use me. I've posted about her before. Anyway, we liked each other but I forced myself to let go because I just knew she had a rotten personality. Which was painful because I was absolutely hooked onto her physical features. No other girl ever had me in such a trance. It was exceptionally difficult because I ruined my chance at another relationship which was perfect for me, just because I was a bit more attracted to this girl. I told myself I would let go because I wanted to make sure I could do it out of my very own free will. And I become much stronger and happier for it.

Around this same time I came upon the teachings of Brent Smith. I was always curious about the dynamic behind relationships so I started watching his free videos. He seemed genuine and had a smooth voice, I figured why not. Anyway, I just want to say that I absolutely believe in what he preaches. You want to attract women not by asking them out and pursuing, but by naturally showing them how interesting, fun, and charismatic you are.

Now, here comes the ugly part. You may have to play the game. I'll be honest, I hate playing mind-games with women. I'm a down-to-Earth guy who likes good jokes, people, and plays games in his spare time (and watches old cartoons when the nostalgia hits). I've always sought a kind and honest girl with a passion for something.

The reason I've played games with girls is because the materialistic, jealous, and scheming types always remind me of the one I really liked. And yes, I become slightly spiteful and try to show them that they can't stomp on all guys. Its a flaw of mine that took a while to change.

Anyway, all this rambling has a point. I think some of you who lack confidence and have been through shit need to change it up. You need to develop more of a backbone and cover your own needs before anyone else's! You need to stop being needy for female attention and start approaching them as regular people. Inspire them, show them a good time, and have fun with them. Be a bit flirty, be a bit mysterious. Don't go blurting your feelings out or complimenting all over the place.

Be cool about shit. Above all else, always make sure you are being respected! Stick firm to your principles and don't let ANYONE make you change them. I realized that preserving my own integrity is most important, hence why I'm very comfortable with letting go of girls who don't deserve my attention. And it also allows me to see the girls who are high quality and deserve someone kind and fun (the lovely ladies in this thread, for example, all seem absolutely awesome).

So, I basically urge all guys to go catch up on Brent Smith. Don't think of it as a dating lesson, think of it as just a general lesson on how to manage people. Now, you might be wondering where this sudden inspiration came from?

LINK

The password is "dating". Why did I refrain from replying to this girl? Because her personality sounded awful. She is most definitely down for a booty call. I acknowledge that she's "hot" but I'm sticking to my principles. I'm comfortable with letting go because I know that this is what makes me stronger. And I've attracted her just through that. I am different just because I didn't reply.

I'm not saying you want to play games with every girl you see. All I'm saying is don't be desperate and think that you NEED a relationship or NEED whatever.
 
Posted in the LGBThread.

Right, I'm joining this gay running group as I've mentioned before, but there is some things I'd like to know about before doing anything foolish -

If there is a guy whom I like while there, what would be the best thing to do? Particularly those whom I feel will be out of my league. My self-esteem isn't fantastic so I don't know how good looking I am to others. Would it be best to talk to him for a few weeks...then ask if he'd like to join me for a cup of coffee one day?
 
Quite true stn. I had to end contact with my friend because despite everything, I was not able to stop trying to get a relationship out of our friendship.

In my eyes, it was too tainted and it was annoying enough that, welp, she got angry and actually said stuff to hurt me. I did provoke it.

1. I asked he out, out of the blue because of something she showed.
2. She later on thought i was joking because of the random timing.
3. Instead of following along, i told her i was being serious and go the no. But she didn't want to say why
4. I dropped it there, but my damn subconscious trolled me. I left her a message that I had dreamed about it.
5. I got a message during the night from her asking me about the dream.
6. I thought about it for an hour and wrote what I had dreamed
7. She answers that it was interesting and that I was spot on
8. Idiot me goes and asks who of the candidates I mentioned was
9. I get annoyed, shitstorm ensues.

That is when I realized that something had to be done because the mess was too great.

That, and that I seemed to have a case of one itis. What truly sucks is that I lost a very good friend, and that is what I'm hurting about.

I can get another girl for a relationship, sure, but that friendship will be impossible to replace.
 
Posted in the LGBThread.
First off, welcome :D It doesn't matter you're straight, bi or gay; looks and all that isn't as important as you think. I'm sure you're handsome and if some random hot guy doesn't agree, that's his problem and not yours. Know you're hot and assume they think so too and it'll go much smoother.
 
First off, welcome :D It doesn't matter you're straight, bi or gay; looks and all that isn't as important as you think. I'm sure you're handsome and if some random hot guy doesn't agree, that's his problem and not yours. Know you're hot and assume they think so too and it'll go much smoother.
Thank you for the welcome. I don't feel completely comfortable talking about how to pick up fit guys since people won't find it as right or normal as heterosexuals. I truly think what you're saying is true. I recently have felt like a handsome guy (ask if you want pics). It's a good confidence booster to go with the way you think.
 
I'm pretty sure any progress I had made this year with being more social and talking to girls has been lost this summer. I have not gone out or talked to anyone in three months and I've lost any confidence I had and I feel afraid of socializing again like I used to a couple of years ago.
 
So how does one actually go about making a move in a way that doesn't seem anime-ish("I want to confess to you senpai!)? I'm curious. I've only ever had like one relationship and I just....don't know how to go about it naturally. Is it just moving in for the kiss when it feels right?
Well, in the situation I was responding to, making a move would be something as simple as asking someone out on a date. I guess my advice would be if you're interested in someone, when you tell them, have it be accompanied by some sort of action.

I'm pretty sure any progress I had made this year with being more social and talking to girls has been lost this summer. I have not gone out or talked to anyone in three months and I've lost any confidence I had and I feel afraid of socializing again like I used to a couple of years ago.
Progress is never completely lost. You've done it before; you know you can do it again.
 
Progress is never completely lost. You've done it before; you know you can do it again.

I hope so. It's just that I don't feel the confidence that I felt 5 months ago when I was making lots of progress. It's my own fault though, I chose not to socialize at all this summer, mostly because the heat puts me in a depressed emotional state.
 
Inspiring post

So, you're saying it takes a human to get a human? I can see that :p Being into games I've seen more than enough people trip over themselves because they're not seeing women as regular people. Heck, I sorta' did that with VN girl a while back; I was too smitten to be "normal".

Funny then how the girl I started off being totally neutral towards on OkC was the one I got the furthest with. I was surprised she replied in the first place, so I just talked with her as a friend, not trying to impress her. Next thing I know, I have a date with her this Saturday. I have to call her to work out the details, but she's up for it. First date ever, OMG guuuuuys!

I think I'll invite her to a mall crawl. Austin's in a heatwave, and there's plenty to do inside. Lego store, Brookstone, Apple store, cheap lunch, candy, and a movie theater. Should be pretty versatile, I can make stuff fun on the fly.
 
God .. you know you're really into a girl when you dont even care or look at other women. I have this "thing" going on with my biggest crush for almost two years now.

Only problem is she has a boyfriend. Its just a ridiculous situation and even though i dont know the guy i actually feel bad for him now (I'm assuming he loves his girlfriend).

We kissed and cuddled and the stupid thing is if she would leave him i would want to be with her anyway. Even knowing she cheated on her boyfriend.

Best advice is to stay far away as possible i know, but she's like a drug, makes me feel good while i got it, but like shit when its gone.
 
Quite true stn. I had to end contact with my friend because despite everything, I was not able to stop trying to get a relationship out of our friendship.

In my eyes, it was too tainted and it was annoying enough that, welp, she got angry and actually said stuff to hurt me. I did provoke it.

1. I asked he out, out of the blue because of something she showed.
2. She later on thought i was joking because of the random timing.
3. Instead of following along, i told her i was being serious and go the no. But she didn't want to say why
4. I dropped it there, but my damn subconscious trolled me. I left her a message that I had dreamed about it.
5. I got a message during the night from her asking me about the dream.
6. I thought about it for an hour and wrote what I had dreamed
7. She answers that it was interesting and that I was spot on
8. Idiot me goes and asks who of the candidates I mentioned was
9. I get annoyed, shitstorm ensues.

That is when I realized that something had to be done because the mess was too great.

That, and that I seemed to have a case of one itis. What truly sucks is that I lost a very good friend, and that is what I'm hurting about.

I can get another girl for a relationship, sure, but that friendship will be impossible to replace.

What the fuck. Man, you want something, go for it! Acting like you're twelve and got a crush is not conducive to hooking up.
 
Thank you for the welcome. I don't feel completely comfortable talking about how to pick up fit guys since people won't find it as right or normal as heterosexuals. I truly think what you're saying is true. I recently have felt like a handsome guy (ask if you want pics). It's a good confidence booster to go with the way you think.
Trust me, you can be as open about homosexuality here as you want. This is gaf, homophobia is pretty much bannable. I don't give a shit, talk about your questions as much as you want, fuck any haters :) Send pics for sure, though I'd encourage you to post them publicly.
 
Went to a club yesterday and had a good time with friends. Been feeling much better about myself but went to talk to two (admittedly very attractive) girl and didn't really get shot down but they both excused themselves after about a minute. I talked to one in the smoker's room and she went to go to her friends and the other one was on her way to friends and I just stopped her for a bit so both have valid excuses and I believed them. It's just that if I had a cute girl talking to me I wouldn't mind talking for a few minutes so for them to not want to spare the time did say something.

Had another girl I was looking at while dancing who looked my way a couple of times as well, I swear to god I walked up to her twice just for her to coincidentally get a drink or go to the bathroom or something. Didn't want to actually follow her but didn't find her for the rest of the night so was kinda bummed about that. And just as a cherry on top the girl I do run into is my crush that I have a long history with and now has a boyfriend.

Still had the number from a girl I met Saturday so I texted her asking to grab drinks Friday but she had some introductory college thing, she did suggest doing something next week though so I guess that's something. Guess I'm gonna drown myself in League of Legends and work for a week again :(.
 
God .. you know you're really into a girl when you dont even care or look at other women. I have this "thing" going on with my biggest crush for almost two years now.

Only problem is she has a boyfriend. Its just a ridiculous situation and even though i dont know the guy i actually feel bad for him now (I'm assuming he loves his girlfriend).

We kissed and cuddled and the stupid thing is if she would leave him i would want to be with her anyway. Even knowing she cheated on her boyfriend.

Best advice is to stay far away as possible i know, but she's like a drug, makes me feel good while i got it, but like shit when its gone.

I've been in the same boat before - and got really, really hurt. You know it, you need to walk away from her. Save yourself the time and effort, think about all the chances with other girls you're missing by pining over this one girl who doesn't want you.
 
Quite true stn. I had to end contact with my friend because despite everything, I was not able to stop trying to get a relationship out of our friendship.

In my eyes, it was too tainted and it was annoying enough that, welp, she got angry and actually said stuff to hurt me. I did provoke it.

1. I asked he out, out of the blue because of something she showed.
2. She later on thought i was joking because of the random timing.
3. Instead of following along, i told her i was being serious and go the no. But she didn't want to say why
4. I dropped it there, but my damn subconscious trolled me. I left her a message that I had dreamed about it.
5. I got a message during the night from her asking me about the dream.
6. I thought about it for an hour and wrote what I had dreamed
7. She answers that it was interesting and that I was spot on
8. Idiot me goes and asks who of the candidates I mentioned was
9. I get annoyed, shitstorm ensues.

That is when I realized that something had to be done because the mess was too great.

That, and that I seemed to have a case of one itis. What truly sucks is that I lost a very good friend, and that is what I'm hurting about.

I can get another girl for a relationship, sure, but that friendship will be impossible to replace.

Man, that sucks. It happens, though. If you didn't give it a shot, it could have bugged you for some time and kept you from progressing toward finding someone right for you. That's what happened to me in high school. My biggest regret from that time is not dealing with my feelings for a girl sooner. Really delayed my dating life.

This semester is looking up for me. There are couple of cute girls, including one with a great Australian accent, in my small, discussion based history class. It's like the universe keeps throwing easy opportunities out for me. Never had this many chances to meet girls without actively seeking them out.
 
Don't ever give expensive gifts before you're even in a relationship.
Heck, I think it's a good idea to start off with small gifts the first couple of years in your relationship, while the two of you are still discovering new things and haven't gotten bored of one another.

Save the big shit like hot air balloons, expensive shit, song & dance routine at her work place for much later when you need to put in more work to keep the relationship alive.
 
Yeah, I went overboard on that one. I did give her small things but oh well.

I got class in 30 minutes and all day I've been... neutral. Man, its been a while since I've had to flush my heart.

I'm not sure I want to log in to FFXIV and find myself still in our guild or kicked and deleted from her friend list.

I just want to delete the crush and have my friend back if its possible.
 
Yeah, I went overboard on that one. I did give her small things but oh well.

I got class in 30 minutes and all day I've been... neutral. Man, its been a while since I've had to flush my heart.

I'm not sure I want to log in to FFXIV and find myself still in our guild or kicked and deleted from her friend list.

I just want to delete the crush and have my friend back if its possible.

If that's the case, the best thing you can do is apologize. Tell her your sorry that you put her in that position. Tell her you had to get that out in order to move passed it. Tell her you accept that you and her will never have a romantic relationship and you really want her back as a friend. Put the ball in her court and see how it goes. You'll likely never repair things if you wait for her to make the first move.
 
God .. you know you're really into a girl when you dont even care or look at other women. I have this "thing" going on with my biggest crush for almost two years now.

Only problem is she has a boyfriend. Its just a ridiculous situation and even though i dont know the guy i actually feel bad for him now (I'm assuming he loves his girlfriend).

We kissed and cuddled and the stupid thing is if she would leave him i would want to be with her anyway. Even knowing she cheated on her boyfriend.

Best advice is to stay far away as possible i know, but she's like a drug, makes me feel good while i got it, but like shit when its gone.

Having been the other guy....you are a prick. Play fair and leave her to mess things up with the other dude with someone else.

Last thing you want is beef with some other dude.
 
I was going to post them publicly anyway :) http://i.imgur.com/Y297yY9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FRMXOyM.jpg

Thanks for being really nice about it.
There's nothing wrong with you, you're just being silly about not looking good enough, just like everybody else :) I hope that's not ice cream in the second picture ;) I'm not entirely sure why, but I find homophobia incredibly offensive even though I'm straight myself. To be perfectly honest, I might be bi-curious to some extent. I don't find men sexually attractive and I have no interest in going home with a guy but dancing sexually with friends is no problem and I can appreciate a hot body even if it's a guy. If anything, I'd be jealous xD Some random drunk guy dropped his pants on the dance floor recently and while quite odd, it didn't bother me to see his dick per se. Stuff like that I have no problem with and I've had a devil's threeway before. Perhaps it's because I've been an outsider too, but I take homophobia personally. And even if I didn't, you're quite free to speak your mind and tell us your worries here :) I believe most situations and the advice we give are universal no matter what the sexual orientation. In your case, it's pretty clear that you're over thinking it and putting unwarranted value on physical looks. It's supposed to rhyme, but while it's the outside that give the inside a chance, it's the inside that give the outside its shine.
 
Alright, so today has been both good and bad.

Good: I spent an hour with the girl I like. We bumped into each other while buying lunch, and she asked me (yeah, I know) if I wanted to eat with her. Honestly, I feel we really hit off, and I caught her smiling when I got stuck on words. It ended with us walking to her next class.


Bad: I didn't admit that I was interested in her, didn't get her contact details, and didn't arrange anything further. We don't have a class together until next Wednesday.


Now I'm on my break and she doesn't finish for another 2 hours. Obviously there's no way I meet her afterwards without seeming creepy, but I've got a uni group meeting today that she seemed interested in attending. Maybe she'll show up, I dunno. I'm just not keen on waiting a week just to talk to someone again.
 
I need some advise about moving from online messages to the phone.

Been exchaging messages with a girl on a dating site.
Asked her if she wanted to meet up for a coffee.
She said yes and gave me her mobile.
I replied saying great and also gave her my mobile number.
But I also asked in the message what area she lives in so we can figure out a time and place to meet up.

But because she already gave me her mobile should I be aranging this meet up via phone or still keep on using the website messages?
 
^^ Use the phone, avoid the site now. You've already acquired the more personal contact method, just use quick and simple texts to coordinate the plan.
 
I need some advise about moving from online messages to the phone.

Been exchaging messages with a girl on a dating site.
Asked her if she wanted to meet up for a coffee.
She said yes and gave me her mobile.
I replied saying great and also gave her my mobile number.
But I also asked in the message what area she lives in so we can figure out a time and place to meet up.

But because she already gave me her mobile should I be aranging this meet up via phone or still keep on using the website messages?

Call her.
 
If that's the case, the best thing you can do is apologize. Tell her your sorry that you put her in that position. Tell her you had to get that out in order to move passed it. Tell her you accept that you and her will never have a romantic relationship and you really want her back as a friend. Put the ball in her court and see how it goes. You'll likely never repair things if you wait for her to make the first move.

I would be lying if I did that right now.

I'll give it some time and try to date other girls so I can get her out of my system and then talk to her again with a clear mind.

I'm not waiting for her to make the first step, but I'll go for it when I think its right.
 
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