When was it not? I don't give a shit about Sakamoto's feelings to put it bluntly.
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When was it not? I don't give a shit about Sakamoto's feelings to put it bluntly.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
dont know what your talking about but metroid prime was this kinda crab monster that was also like pure phazon and given the name metroid prime, and when it's 1st form was defeated it turned into a semi-mother brain, or atleast thats how I remember it.
OHHHH, lol, I totally misunderstood the context. I thought you were asking whether Metroid Prime was considered a Metroid game. *whoosh*
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
lol yes, just a FYI sakumoto never said the prime games werent cannon, that was a mistranslation
Starphoenix
Member
It's the only "dark" character I'm ok with. For starters: she floats when moving.
Well now I feel like a jackass to a guy who created some of my favourite games. I despised that he said that about Metroid Prime, not even Other M really soured me on him as much as what he said did (since I blame Team Ninja too on that).
But to answer your original question, yes, it is a Metroid.
PorygonVandal
Member
Well, if this is a Metroid Queen
I'm not sure why Metroid Prime can't be a Metroid.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
haha thanks for the answersWell, if this is a Metroid Queen
I'm not sure why Metroid Prime can't be a Metroid.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'll accept Dark Samus if I can actually Shinespark in Smash Bros.
balladofwindfishes
Member
wasn't there a general or something in Other M that was in Prime 3? I vaguely remember that happening.
Green Mamba
Member
No. There is a similar looking military guy, but they aren't intended to be the same character.
The only references Other M makes to the Prime games aren't story related (the generalized behind the visor FPS view is clearly inspired by it, the Charge Beam uses the same sound effect, and the Seeker Missiles are a purely Prime invention). That said, the "Sakamoto said the Prime games weren't canon" is overblown BS. He said that Prime is a separate story from the story Other M is telling, which is both correct to what he was saying and says nothing of the Prime games' canonical quality.
Yes, Other M does contradict the Prime games in a few points, but it contradicts Super Metroid at a few points as well, and, honestly, the Prime games are inconsistent with both the main Metroid series and their selves even. This is hardly a point worth noting; Metroid canon is a mess.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
I am not a fan of Dark Samus, I like my Samus medium rare.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
metroid prime series were suppose to take place in between metroid 1 and metroid 2, but I think hunters and prime 3 takes place afterwards which really screws with the cannon now
Green Mamba
Member
No, all of the Prime games take place in between Metroid Zero Mission and Metroid II, which is an undefined length of time. The Metroid timeline is:
Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission -> Metroid Prime -> Metroid Prime Hunters -> Metroid Prime 2: Echoes -> Metroid Prime 3: Corruption -> Metroid II: Return of Samus -> Super Metroid -> Metroid Other M -> Metroid Fusion
That said, Prime 3 is a screwy game canonically that does not mesh particularly well with anything in the established lore.
Can you explain why its screwy?
Because its interesting and I want to know more about the Metroid series.
Haven't played a few of the other Metroid games but I'm alright with spoilers.
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Metroid is trying to copy Zelda's bumbled chronological mess.
friskykillface
Banned
just give me Brinstar Depths as a retro stage
i'd pick it every other match in online multiplayer.
i'd pick it every other match in online multiplayer.
Green Mamba
Member
It throws a lot of unnecessary wrinkles into a timeline that was previously very simple.
--Ridley's path from Zero Mission to Super suddenly makes no sense. He's killed in Zero Mission; Prime introduces Meta Ridley and makes talk of rebuilding him along with Kraid and Mother Brain, clearly calling out to their later appearances in Super. Meta Ridley works pretty well as an intermediate stage between being dead and being revived. Prime 3 also includes Meta Ridley, sure, okay, but then corrupts him fully with phazon, turning him into a phazon charged Omega Ridley, and then his body completely vaporizes and Samus absorbs his phazon into her blood stream. What?
--Where are the Aurora Units in the rest of the series? The Galactic Federation apparently relies on large mechanical brains modeled after Mother Brain, but this is never mentioned in any other title ever.
--The Space Pirate Homeworld is completely farcical to the entire purpose of the pirates. They are stated to be interstellar nomads with no home planet of their own in Prime, and Zebes is explicitly stated several times throughout the series material to be their main home planet after they took it over--that's why they are called "Zebesians" in pretty much anything not Metroid Prime. Metroid Prime makes this very clear, with Tallon IV just being one of their many scouting missions, along with Aether. There is no room in their established backstory for a central homeworld, and it absolutely does not gel with the rest of the series. Thankfully, the Japanese version helps this a bit by calling it "Urtraagia" and stating that it is just one of many homeworlds.
--A majority of the Space Pirates are said to be destroyed at the end of Metroid Prime 3, adding a completely unnecessary wrinkle to their established Prime -> Super timeline. It was quite clear: the Pirates started rebuilding their base on Zebes while scouting out some side projects on other planets, segueing directly into Super. Prime 3 mucks that up quite spectacularly by inserting "AND WE WERE ALSO A MILITARY SUPER POWER BEING USED BY DARK SAMUS IN SOME GREAT BIG GALACTIC WAR NEVER AGAIN MENTIONED BY ANYONE." The whole military super power angle was played up a bit in the other Prime games, but not to the absurd extent Prime 3 does. Somewhere along the way they forgot they are pirates.
Prime 3 in many ways feels like it was written solely to be a conclusion to the Prime series (which I still felt it was off on that mark as well), with no regard to the greater Metroid lore or canon.
I'd love Neku in the game. I would really like to see what Sakurai does for him moveset wise, considering all the pins that there are in the games.
New way to bring back Ridley from the dead: split the Metroid timeline!
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
The Jason Voorhees method would be a good way to approach Ridley.
Evil never dies only rests.
Evil never dies only rests.
Green Mamba
Member
Concerning Smash Bros. for a moment in the Smash Bros. thread, the past week and a half of pics have been pretty weak compared to early August or so. I wonder if its the calm before the storm or the first sign of a long dry period.
Or nothing at all.
Or nothing at all.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I really do think its either the calm before the storm, or just a generally winding down from all the more than expected screenshots of the past 2 or so weeks
astarisborn94
Member
I'd be all for me. He's my most wanted Mario rep and is my 2nd most wanted third-party character (only one who topped that is Mega Man, who's already in). Unfortunately, his chances are absolutely horrible.
Depends on what you're asking.
If Dark Samus does prove to be an exciting character that separates herself from Samus, then I'm all for her. More unique characters are always welcomed as long as they're done right. However, it would not make up for Ridley's absence (although I'm speaking more for the community than for myself). I see Sakurai excluding Ridley as a big mistake and not something Sakurai can justify with either a crap reasoning or "I didn't want Ridley in".
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hell I prefer SA-X for lulz
Thanks for the explanation
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
he cant just throw ridley in just because people ask for it, thats not how it works, he has to come up with a good moveset and balance him to fit with all the other characters, and size could very well play a part in that
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Dark Samus or nothing.
American democracy in action.
American democracy in action.
What Sakamoto said was:
I actually didn't have a lot of input on the Prime series. But when they're doing with Other M here, it's not so much a different universe, it's just a different part of the story. You can't say that there's no relation here; it's probably best to think of them as being in parallel in this world.
I think the implication is that they are both canon but not together. There's no reason to say they're not canon. It would be like saying Wind Waker isn't canon because of Twilight Princess.
Honestly, although the Prime games are better, I think Other M is more consistent with the rest of the games than the Prime games are. As you've stated the Prime series did a lot of major stuff that just doesn't jive with the rest of the franchise, while most of the stuff that people object to in Other M happens inside Samus' head, which most of the other games don't give us a glimpse into.
I love the Prime games, but in terms of plot it's shame that the Prime games are very very inconsistent just amongst themselves. It's clear that Retro didn't have much of a plan for their trilogy and each sequel pretty much rewrote the script. As individual games they're great, but as a trilogy they leave a lot to be desired.
astarisborn94
Member
Size isn't the issue here. Heck, we've already gotten a picture showing comparison between Olimar and Kirby and Olimar was taller than Kirby in Smash 3DS and Wii U.
And it is true that he can't just throw Ridley in the game, but what about characters like Snake, Sonic and Mega Man?
You heard straight from the man himself. Third-party additions are in some ways, more difficult than making the game itself. Any viable first/second-party characters is bound to be an easier addition than third-parties and this does include Ridley. I am not saying he wouldn't be difficult, but if we can get Mega Man in despite his addition supposedly being "harder than making the game", then Ridley can clearly fit in.Sakurai said:
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I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
They're gonna reveal Mega Evolutions for all the Smash Brothers.
Mega Mario, Mega Link, Mega Donkey Kong, Mega Wii Fit Trainer...alright, that last one doesn't really work well, but you get it.
Truth be told, I kind of wish they'd abandon the cinematic/awkward Final Smashes and do a Wario-Man/Giga Bowser transformation for everyone.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Will we get Battlefield Wii U or Battlefield 3DS? Either way, my battle is field.
astarisborn94
Member
Not really a fan of this idea. I like Final Smash because it shows that the biggest card they have to play doesn't have to just be a transformation. Sure some are lame (I hate DK's Final Smash), but we have seen some truly great and unique Final Smashes from characters and I'd like to see them crafted in their own way. That and everything being transformation reminds me a bit too much of Dragon Ball Z.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Mega Mega Man
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Between Lucario and Mewtwo getting mega forms, Jigglypuff being a representative of a brand new type, and now the confirmation of the R/B starters returning (and getting Mega evolutions), it seems like the existing Smash Pokemon are all becoming incredibly relevant in X and Y.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
The classics are always relevant.
astarisborn94
Member
I'll be really surprised at this point if anyone from Pokémon gets cut at this point. I am sure that the Pokémon Company will at least want to see Brawl + Mewtwo on the roster and will push for it. I also think Sakurai will want them all back as well.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hell, not just cut, we might even get a new rep with Mega Blaziken 
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
I am glad that Battlefield is continuing the Brawl layout and not the Melee one. They both look wonderful.
I agree. Prepare for some backlash though. :/
joffocakes
Member
Of course. Final Destination is just a boring flat platform. I hope we get some interesting new large stages similar to Hyrule Caste from Melee.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
"Sorry I was late with the pic update! Was busy cutting X FAVOURITE CHARACTER from Brawl. Here is a picture of Mario wiggling his toes whilst using a Super Mushroom."
I have a feeling Pokémon Trainer might be announced today! The amount of hype I consistently have for these daily pictures are pathetic
...Sorry.
