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Last time they tried it didnt go so well. For Nintendo I mean.
The Death Of Nintendo Has Been Greatly Under-Exaggerated
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Last time they tried it didnt go so well. For Nintendo I mean.
I think there is two types of people who say this.
Analysts: They want it to happen so that once one of the biggest/older console manufactures is no longer making consoles/handhelds, they can say "See, we were right. Mobile/non-stand alone gaming is the future." or something like that anyway.
Consumers: Like someone said above, I think some consumers want Nintendo to be 'doomed' so they go 3rd party and people can buy their products on other hardware. (PS/Xbox/iPhone/PC/whatever)
That's the only reason I can think of for people screaming the doomed line even during the height of their business.
They may be great games but they're niche unless you follow the industry. It would help them out substantially to have some big 3rd party exclusives. And I don't mean tech demos by unknowns like with Conduit on Wii. I'm talking quality Western developed stuff. Theres big money and mindshare in diversity. I love me my Japanese games, but if you want to move a lot of units you need a lot more quality and a lot more diversity. Heck even most Japanese developers don't give Wii U much thought unless your definition of thought is closer to afterthought.
They could use an injection of dudebro. FPS, horror, adventure, etc. Not overwhelmingly so, but some because it has none.
And even if it does get some, I'm at the point of "pfft who cares, there's more and better elsewhere".
If they're fine with what they have, that's fine. But if they're wondering why they have so little of the market, they need to make some changes and open up the wallet big time.
Once the games are there, they need to market the hell out of everything at the same time.
Play it Loud did it right. IIRC, they had TV ads all the time showing multiple games from multiple developers.. that right there is how you start to change people's minds.
KillerMan91
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It's so far behind 20% in sales mostly because DS had so slow start. It will fall more and more behind DS every month. Still it will of course do quite well. Bigger concern for Nintendo regarding 3DS is software that is way way behind DS pace. Regarding of WiiU of course drought is a problem but when your console sells something like 20k in a month in Europe it's not only about the drought. The console itself in unappealing. PS3 during its first year drought and having 599 price tag was selling way way beyond WiiU numbers. WiiU is absolutely dead in Europe and life support in US and Japan. You have to go pretty long way to history to find home console that is selling so badly. No game will resurrect it when retailers are already starting to abandon it.
hardcastlemccormick
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"Console gaming as a whole is dead" most likely
The main problem is that Square Enix has been supporting the 3DS pretty well, it's just those games aren't getting localized. Third party 3DS games in Japan are in a much better situation.
KennyLinder
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The_Macho_King
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I just put my launch unit on craigslist. I'm having a hard time trading it for a PS3!
A good amount or downloaded software too.
A good amount or downloaded software too.
runnin_blue
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Yep Microsoft & Sony make revenue from things other than games whilst Nintendo only makes money from the games industry.
Solution: nintendo need to take some of that moolah and invest it in a real growth industry. Porn.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Solution: nintendo need to take some of that moolah and invest it in a real growth industry. Porn.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
peanutbutterlatte
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That's great in retrospect, but it's very easy to say that sort of thing now. What's apparent in retrospect might not always be so at the time.
Are there any numbers to back that up...? Also, it won't always remain at the current rate. Pokemon next to Animal Crossing is probably the biggest title released for the system so far, if it is still doing badly by your metric in November, and the 2DS flopped, maybe your predictions have some grounding, but I just don't see it as of now.
Using the PSP marketbase to see if dedicated handhelds are viable isn't always the best idea. A large share of the PSP market was Monster Hunter, and that's Nintendos now for the foreseeable future.
moltonasty
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Isn't the 3DS the best selling console in the world at the moment? Beating out PS3, 360, etc? How is the best selling console at the moment a "failure"? Sure Wii U ain't doing hot, but 3DS? This article is nonsense.
Wickerbasket
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I bought the DS during launch, and I remember the drought of games near launch; I felt like all I had to play was Mario 64 DS.
Saying that, I'm not really sure who's missing from the 3DS right now, but it's noticable to me that the third party titles aren't there. I think I own a single third party title and I own around ten games. It's definitely not from want to buy them, there just isn't a big selection of third party games yet.
captmcblack
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This article is the same article people have been writing since they were making playing cards.
They will someday "die" - go out of business, go bankrupt, fail, retire from console manufacturing, whatever. All things do.
But it's not going to be this gen. And probably not the next one, either.
Technology has changed around Nintendo for years. And Nintendo has responded by making stuff that doesn't care about whatever technology is changing, or by making their own technology that demands attention. They are definitely doing poorly in console sales right now. They may do poorly the entirety of this gen. But they will not just go away, no matter how hard you wish for it.
They will someday "die" - go out of business, go bankrupt, fail, retire from console manufacturing, whatever. All things do.
But it's not going to be this gen. And probably not the next one, either.
Technology has changed around Nintendo for years. And Nintendo has responded by making stuff that doesn't care about whatever technology is changing, or by making their own technology that demands attention. They are definitely doing poorly in console sales right now. They may do poorly the entirety of this gen. But they will not just go away, no matter how hard you wish for it.
SloaneRangerSW1
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Author misses a lot of points, etc - but people in this thread citing the fact that Nintendo has built up a large war chest of cash are missing the point that shareholders will not be happy if this cash is a) sitting on the balance sheet generating little return or b) making foolish investments/sub par product launches.
A little outdated but yeah for the most part they're likely still way more profitable than either Sony or Microsoft. Didn't they make profits last quarter.
H_Prestige
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Again, why does this matter? Truth is truth no matter who's mouth it comes from.
Actually try responding to the points raised instead of posting "lol lol shit author" or "lol nintendo is DOOMED amirite".
peanutbutterlatte
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Looking up on my shelf;
Bit Trip Saga
Epic Mickey
Professor Layton
Rayman Origins
Not exactly the best. Ports and stuff. Resident Evil and KH3D are great though. Much more indie stuff available.
...but he didn't overlook it. That is literally an entire section of the article.
People have been posting counter points and you've obviously chosen to ignore them in favor of posts you can easily dismiss. Keep on with the good anti-Nintendo fight though. This article was specifically written for you.
The DS already had Ace Attorney and Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow at that point.
Guess you must have missed the period of time between 1995-2007?
BronsonLee
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This is an op-ed, not a straight news report of statistics or facts, as much as he'd like to believe otherwise.
His credibility matters here. Stop trying to handwave the fact that he sucks. There's plenty of legitimate articles about Nintendo's current situation that deserve play, not this crap from AppleMan
Wickerbasket
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Isn't Professor Layton a Nintendo game? Not really sure if they funded it, since they published it.
But yeah, that's what I mean. The selection isn't great.
I'm hoping it will pick up in the same way the DS did.
It's only "pretty clear" if you dissmiss the Wii as a "blip" or "fad", and saying they are decades behind is a great exaggeration. Of course you also conveniently forgot the DS, was it a blip too?
I'm prerty sure Nintendo is the only company doomed even when they succeed.
peanutbutterlatte
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3DS has had Castlevania this year (not everyone's favorite, but still point stands) and AA5 is out later this year.
dantevsninjas
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I keep hearing this, but aside from the new Zelda & SMTIV, I don't see much that isn't a rehash. What am I missing?
I'll have to look for said thread, my Wii is still hooked up.
hardcastlemccormick
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There is no truth in the article though. It's a bunch of faulty assumptions and foolish logic.
I already did in many posts in this thread, as have others. But continue ignoring them to validate your "nobody can attack this perfect article" defense, I'm sure it will go great for you.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
- Well you'll just have to take my word that this was what I was saying back when the N64 was aflopping. I could see a company that no longer had its finger on the pulse, and not much has changed/has actually got worse.
- 81.51 million is the number to beat, and even then to be honest the GBA had its legs cut off prematurely. Pokemon and Monhun (in Japan only) are going to be big pushers no doubt (Puzzle and Dragons possibly too thats a hard one to call), 2DS will find its Fisher Price graduation audience, but are we going to go from... 40 million zone right now to double by 2015-16 when a successor is at the gates? I'm not convinced.
- PSP sold a helluva lot around the world, so no it wasn't just MonHun. It was GTA, God of War, Final Fantasy, and Metal Gear. Now though, peoples phones are easily putting out "console level graphics" so theres an entire portion of the dedicated portable market thats been wholly assimilated. Smartphones and Tablets are only going to encroach more on those areas with innovations in tech supplying buttons and whatnot and also game designers finally getting how touch only controls should effect game design.
For my "Nintendo is serious shit a decade or two away" prediction to be total balls, the management will need an overhaul like nothing else before it and I'm not sure conservative Japanese company Nintendo has what it takes to poach their own Cerny and suchforth to get them back onto a long term survival track.
Yep, both blips I'm afraid. When you lay all the hardware out on a chart, especially home console, and its a downward slope, then something that spikes the data way higher but then goes back to normal next generation is a blip. Thats the "extended audience blip". If Nintendo had managed to keep them locked into their ecosystem, then it would have been a longterm change and great thing for their prospects. They didn't, and now all those people are very locked in to iOS and Android ecosystems.
if Zelda isn't a rehash then Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion and Pokemon aren't rehashes.
If you can look through the superlatives and sensationalistic writing, then it's obvious that this article describes Nintendo's situation pretty accurately. They are in a world of trouble. Yes they are sitting on cash, but that doesn't allow them to just muck about, as some fanboys in here will have you believe.
Both the 3DS and the WiiU as products, have shown us just how out of touch Nintendo has become with its audience. 3DS obviously is a great succes, but not when compared to the DS. And that is something you need to take in account when your company mainly rests on two product strains, with one pretty much on life support. They cannot survive on 2DS/3DS alone, especially when their target group is contracting instead of expanding, as the DS numbers indicate.
It's 2013, and the world as all but forgotten about the phenomenon called Wii, and with the increasingly fast evolution of the industry Nintendo is poised to slip to a new depth of irrelevancy. One that is beyond it's current low (the gamecube age) and one that much harder to flip around, when the casual crowds have all left for greener pastures. The nintendo fan is a dying breed, and with a market as agressive as today, they CANNOT afford to wait for the next lightning in a bottle.
Both the 3DS and the WiiU as products, have shown us just how out of touch Nintendo has become with its audience. 3DS obviously is a great succes, but not when compared to the DS. And that is something you need to take in account when your company mainly rests on two product strains, with one pretty much on life support. They cannot survive on 2DS/3DS alone, especially when their target group is contracting instead of expanding, as the DS numbers indicate.
It's 2013, and the world as all but forgotten about the phenomenon called Wii, and with the increasingly fast evolution of the industry Nintendo is poised to slip to a new depth of irrelevancy. One that is beyond it's current low (the gamecube age) and one that much harder to flip around, when the casual crowds have all left for greener pastures. The nintendo fan is a dying breed, and with a market as agressive as today, they CANNOT afford to wait for the next lightning in a bottle.
Chû Totoro
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Wii U is a big failure for now, true. Everything else in this article is bullshit.
Nintendo launched the 2DS because the economy is bad (games aren't selling vs. past years and I'm not talking about Wii U like a lot of other products) and a 129$ portable system fits perfectly.
Of course it also a better proposition to people who were thinking about playing on an iPod touch. I'm not speaking about iPhone / smartphones since 2DS is for kids mainly and an iPhone costs 600$ so I'll assume with good reason that most 12 years old kids don't have an iPhone and won't have one even if they ask every day to their parents.
2DS will disappear when 3DS's price will go down a little or when it'll have its next revision.
Now for coming back on the Wii U case I won't be bothered if they release a new version of the system more powerful or if they just make another system but I'm clearly a minority and that's not because I'm ready to pay extra cash for having the new Nintendo system that people will do it. At the contrary not supporting their struggling system would be a sign that they can't have any difficulties without giving up. Can someone tell me which 3rd party or even which people would buy the new system knowing that?
The worst things that could happen to them would be to have a Gamecube 2 with very few 3rd party support and mostly Nintendo only million sellers.
I'm ok with this and if you think a little, be or not a Nintendo fan, you'll be ok with this.
If you're a Nintendo fan then you'll play their games on Wii U and keep another system to play the 3rd party games (with the benefits to play this other system's exclusives).
If you're not a Nintendo fan, you've just saved enough money to buy many more games and the other(s) beloved systems you own.
Why can't people calm down a little and do what they should do. Buy, play, talk about games. We're not in a finance forum and there is no gaffer with enough knowledge and skills to claim that he has the solution or the explanation for Nintendo's situation.
But if you like to go in circles we can go for the entire generation. Post a Nintendo sales / Wii U / 3rd Party thread... stupid posts... fanboys war... thread disappear or closed... aaaand newt Nintendo thread etc.
Nintendo launched the 2DS because the economy is bad (games aren't selling vs. past years and I'm not talking about Wii U like a lot of other products) and a 129$ portable system fits perfectly.
Of course it also a better proposition to people who were thinking about playing on an iPod touch. I'm not speaking about iPhone / smartphones since 2DS is for kids mainly and an iPhone costs 600$ so I'll assume with good reason that most 12 years old kids don't have an iPhone and won't have one even if they ask every day to their parents.
2DS will disappear when 3DS's price will go down a little or when it'll have its next revision.
Now for coming back on the Wii U case I won't be bothered if they release a new version of the system more powerful or if they just make another system but I'm clearly a minority and that's not because I'm ready to pay extra cash for having the new Nintendo system that people will do it. At the contrary not supporting their struggling system would be a sign that they can't have any difficulties without giving up. Can someone tell me which 3rd party or even which people would buy the new system knowing that?
The worst things that could happen to them would be to have a Gamecube 2 with very few 3rd party support and mostly Nintendo only million sellers.
I'm ok with this and if you think a little, be or not a Nintendo fan, you'll be ok with this.
If you're a Nintendo fan then you'll play their games on Wii U and keep another system to play the 3rd party games (with the benefits to play this other system's exclusives).
If you're not a Nintendo fan, you've just saved enough money to buy many more games and the other(s) beloved systems you own.
Why can't people calm down a little and do what they should do. Buy, play, talk about games. We're not in a finance forum and there is no gaffer with enough knowledge and skills to claim that he has the solution or the explanation for Nintendo's situation.
But if you like to go in circles we can go for the entire generation. Post a Nintendo sales / Wii U / 3rd Party thread... stupid posts... fanboys war... thread disappear or closed... aaaand newt Nintendo thread etc.
Go back a few months before the WiiU, when the Vita was GAF's plaything. This "Sony bias" thing is frankly, quite immature.
I do wonder about that. I feel that any article that tries to point out some problem with Nintendo's strategy will inevitably be bombed with "nintendo is d00med!11!" posts, though I partially blame the fact people are more inclined to post these sensational articles in the first place.
runnin_blue
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Oh dude...
Pretty much this. It's like when we got different versions of the Xbox so people who wanted one could get in based on what they wanted out of the system.
hardcastlemccormick
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If you look through the superlatives and sensationalistic writing, then there is no article left.
There is a discussion to be had about Nintendo's future, but this garbage writing is not it.
I agree that the "Nintendo is doomed!" bombardment is pointless and annoying, though it's an accurate representation of what the press likes to do. We can talk about the company's issues without discussing death or doom, which is a much greater occurrence than a lot of people seem to estimate. Nintendo can be headed for trouble without falling off the face of the planet. Granularity exists.
Mauricio_Magus
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I read it all, what a bad article. Truly Pathetic.
BigEvilTurtle
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So not profiting from one console = doomed? Moronic. Nintendo is fine.
Q
qizah
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Hey so they should probably back up such claims with some financials and data.
But nah, fuck it, they need more clicks.
But nah, fuck it, they need more clicks.
dantevsninjas
Member
Zelda probably is too, but it still seems like it'll be entertaining. Fire Emblem does look good as well, and I can't say much about Luigi's Mansion as I've never played either of them. Pokemon is for kids, it'll do well in that market, but it's definitely not for me.
Just wanted to also say thanks for copying the entire article. It's an article written for clicks more than anything.
What Sony bias? Way to make a mountain out of a molehill. I simply said I wondered what such a thread would be like. Also, vita threads are still a shit den of negativity on this site, but you'd have to be naive to think that Sony isn't in a good place with the majority here, and it's warranted. They're really doing good with the ps4 launch and ps3 right now. That doesn't take away from the fact that we still get fanboyish drivel thrown left and right around here though. As soon as they fuck up the tone will be against them.
When it comes to Nintendo, quite often here and around the web, if it's a sequel it is called a "rehash"