Vita PSN Game & Service Thread | September 2013 | Token Indie Thread

re: that Kickbeat review. All I listen to is hip-hop, really (plus some dubstep, old classic rock and soul once in awhile), and aside from Marylin Manson I haven't recognized any of the songs in Kickbeat... not my genre at all, but I can enjoy any kind of music so it still sounds good to me, and good for the gameplay. Sometimes I'll get hit with a blue halfbeat sequence that starts on the side I thought was about to be the second hit, and get thrashed for a second, but I haven't encountered a single sequence that isn't onbeat and in tune with the music.

You don't recognize Styles of Beyond? O_o
That makes me sad.
 
It's more comedic than it is valuable. probably the most useless item in the game next to the parachute

parachute > teleporter :P

I'm like 90 minutes from Philly in Harrisburg



Very little. It can kill bats and skeletons, but mostly just stuns enemies. If you snap a picture of the ghost, it turns into a girl posing for the camera. It stuns her for about 3 seconds. Could help to ghost a particular level

You're not terribly far from me then. I'm over in the Hudson Valley of NY.
 
Teleporter is amazing.
Throw sticky bomb into shopkeepers face, teleport away from his counter attack and profit.
Then swap it out for a shotgun, obviously
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Ok these are mine opinions:

Native vita games

A-Men:: i liked this puzzle game a lot and i'm waiting for the sequel
Atelier Totori Plus: The Adventurer of Arland:: i liked it a lot, but the time limit cuts heavily the potential enjoyment of the game.
Army Corps of Hell: bad game, too bad because it had some good potential
Big Sky Infinity: a really enjoyable shoot'em up with random levels
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend: tbh i enjoyed the visual novel component more than the fighting one.
BreakQuest: Extra Evolution: for a free game it's really good, a little confusing though
Chronovolt: bad game
Coconut Dodge Revitalised: just a very little game, probably addictive but not for me
Dynasty Warriors Next: really funny, content filled and awesome looking game
Dokuro:: a really awesome and charming puzzle game
Dragon's Crown: Awesome awesome awesome game
Ecolibrium: good idea but a full game instead of a cheap f2p would have been better
Escape Plan:: absolutely not a bad puzzle game, but imo not that good too.
Everybody's Golf: undeniably a good game but not for me
Frobisher Says: good and enjoyable f2p game while it lasts
Gravity Rush:: even with its faults it's an awesome start for a new ip, if well made a sequel would be amazing
Hotline Miami:: good game, but once finished i have never touched it again
Jacob Jones and the Bigfoot Mystery : awesome game with a little price
Jet Set Radio HD:: hasn't aged well at all
Jetpack Joyride:: a very addictive game while unlockable lasts
Lumines: Electronic Symphony: not for me
Knytt Underground:: a very awesome metroidvania but not for everyone.
Kung Fu Rabbit:: not bad but nothing amazing too
Limbo:: not a bad game, but heavily overrated
Machinarium:: awesome point and click adventure
Metal Gear Solid HD Collection: i only tried it because i wasn't in the mood for stealth, but the mgs2 camera makes it unplayable for me.
Mortal Kombat: awesome fighting game filled with contents
Need for Speed: Most Wanted:: if you expect burnout paradise 2 don't buy it. It's good, but not for me.
New Little King's Story : a very awesome game and maybe an easy platinum, it has framerate problems though
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus: well made port but i don't like it, there's a sort of input lag in walking
Persona 4: Golden:: awesome jrpg
Pinball Arcade: feels more realistic than zen pinball 2, but pinball games are not for me
Puddle: not for me
Rayman Origins:: good platformer, but i didn't enjoyed it as much as other vitabros
Rocketbirds: Hardboiled Chicken:: a good game, but nothing more
Silent Hill: Book of Memories:: i really liked this game, but it's not for everyone
Sine Mora: awesome shoot'em up, but i really don't like the time mechanic tbh
Stealth Inc.:: i still have to play it
Super Stardust Delta: awesome shoot'em up
Superfrog HD: i really liked it, a platformer with big levels and no gimmicks
Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack:: awesome platformer
Thomas Was Alone:: extremely overrated platformer
Total Recoil: i'm at the beginning and it seems not a bad game, but nothing special, the price is right
Trasure Park: a very little free game, enjoyable for a while
Treasures of Montezuma Blitz:: very good for a f2p game
Uncharted: Golden Abyss:: i liked it a lot, and i didn't like any other uncharted!
Unit 13:: a very underrated tps but not for everyone
Velocity Ultra :: a very overrated good little game
When Vikings Attack:: i have to play it
Wipeout 2048 : undeniably awesome but not for me
Zen Pinball 2: tables feel almost like toy pinball tables, but pinball games are not for me
Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward:: awesome game and easy platinum

Playstation mobile games

Aqua Kitty: the best psm game imo
Bullion Blitz: not bad for being free but not that good too.
Dungeon Bandit: it's not a bad game but it's really repetitive
Life of Pixel:: bad game
OMG zombies HD: a good little game, but nothing more
MechHit: a really original arkanoid clone with scrolling levels and boss fight, it's very far from being perfect but i really liked it
Megablast: good game, but i don't like restarting from the first level each time
Picbox: a very good game made by a gaffer :)
Rebel: while it lasts it's fun
Super Crate Box: heavily overrated game
ZooZooGo: a good game
Samurai Beatdown, Imagineinstruments, Beat Trellis(and most of the others): don't waste your money
 
It does work. The song's prompts do match its beat. This can be proved objectively - the enemies are on the beat or half-beat (but on the easiest difficulty - which I'm assuming is the only one you played - the scripts don't even use the half-beat much) at a precision of something like 2ms.

That's one of the downfalls of rhythm games with no pre-existing reputation. If people suck at them, they assume something's wrong with the game, whereas with a game like Rock Band, when people suck, they realize they have to get better and do so.

Based on your lack of skill development and paucity of information about the music import mode in the review, I'd wager you spent very little time with the game. Did you even unlock and try Beat Your Music? (Yes, the unlocking scheme sucks - that is a very valid criticism.) I wouldn't consider a review of Audiosurf very complete without some analysis of the feature that lets you use your own music, yet you offer none for the first beat-matching game ever to have a music import mode that actually works.

KickBeat may be an inexpensive indie game, but not every inexpensive indie game can be fully grasped in an hour or two of playtime. It's designed to be played over dozens of hours and still provide challenge and room for growth. One or two hours in, most people haven't even gotten to the real game yet at Hard difficulty (Normal, with button icons on the ground, is just there to help people transition from traditional rhythm games.) and are worlds away from the game's ideal experience at Expert/Master. It's like if you saw nothing but Easy mode in Guitar Hero and concluded that it didn't really make you feel like you were playing guitar in connection with the song, and thus the whole concept was a failure, even though that is exactly what it does when you develop the skill to play at Expert.

The soundtrack criticism is a valid opinion, I suppose, but what $10 indie game has a diverse, well-rounded lineup of mainstream artists? (aside from something like Tap Tap Revenge, which can do that because it's all DLC-based) Usually it's some chiptunes or generic electronic stuff that has equal or less diversity compared to the KickBeat soundtrack. Could we have found a few songs that were better? Sure, maybe, (we definitely tried - denied), but the expectations here seem way out of whack with what they normally are for a game in this weight class.

And even though it doesn't match your personal tastes, a lot of people like it. I mean, slam Papa Roach all you like, that song has over 50 million views on YouTube and over 150K likes. We make games for fans. Do you write reviews for fans, or for yourself? If your review is supposed to be your subjective opinions on the game and its music, fine. But if your review is supposed to be geared towards an enthusiast video game audience, it's way out of sync. After all, gamers are the ones who comprise the majority of Blue Stahli's audience and that put him "on the map" on youtube in the first place. And this standard of "score the game base on how much I like the soundtrack" doesn't jive with well-reviewed rhythm games featuring nothing but Fresh Prince-like kiddie rap (Parappa), nothing but sugary J-pop (DDR and others), or bland, homogeneous techno (too many to list).

Furthermore, lumping the entire soundtrack into "nu metal" is just plain wrong. Even if you are lumping in the hip-hop stuff that has guitar tracks in it (e.g., Styles of Beyond), and redefining "nu metal" to include Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie, it's still less than half the soundtrack. The review is simply misleading in that respect.

Finally, the game exists as an alternative to what's out there right now. It's targeting people who don't want another dance game, another odd Japanese-styled rhythm game, another music performance game, another game with bars, arrows, icons, etc. in the foreground and the scripted, non-interactive action in the background. And the soundtrack reflects that - it's got a much different character than those of other rhythm games. It's a game about rhythmic fighting. And the soundtrack is loud, angry, aggressive, kinetic, rhythmic fight music.

1) We have differing opinions on what genre the music falls under. Apart from the hip-hop song near the end (Shen Yi, I think? I don't have my Vita with me, and I can't find a tracklist online -- I'm 99% sure it was the second-last song) and the Voicians track, most of it sounded pretty Linkin Park-y to me. As far as I'm concerned, sounding like Linkin Park is the definition of nu-metal. That said, if you're more into the genre(s) of music featured -- as I'm assuming you are -- you're probably going to have much narrower genre definitions than I do.

2) I'll readily concede that the style of music fits with what you're going for -- it's all "loud, angry, (and) aggressive". As I said, though, it all starts to sound the same after awhile, which doesn't make for a very diverse experience.

3) I did unlock Beat Your Music. I'll admit I didn't use it (as my game list suggests, my Vita memory card is constantly full), which is why I didn't critique it -- I just said it was potentially a very cool feature, and it would be neat to see how it evolved once the game had a broader community.

4) I played the game on Easy and Hard -- the two easiest difficulties. Easy worked most of the time, but every so often it seemed to be wildly out-of-sync with song beats. Obviously it wasn't so bad I wasn't able to finish the game, but I did notice some issues. Hard was...well, hard. I tried that mode a couple of times, but without the prompts I couldn't get past the first song.

5) And finally, RE: "Do you write reviews for fans, or for yourself? If your review is supposed to be your subjective opinions on the game and its music, fine."

I write about my experience with the game. I'd never claim it's the definitive opinion. Honestly, I'd be kind of appalled if anyone ever tried to say that their review was an objective statement of fact, because that's pretty antithetical to the concept of reviews. If there are people out there who love Papa Roach or Shen Yi or whoever who also love Kickbeat, that's fantastic -- it's always nice to find something that speaks to you like that, and if those 150K Papa Roach followers turn the game into a hit, it'd be even better.


re: that Kickbeat review. All I listen to is hip-hop, really (plus some dubstep, old classic rock and soul once in awhile), and aside from Marylin Manson I haven't recognized any of the songs in Kickbeat... not my genre at all, but I can enjoy any kind of music so it still sounds good to me, and good for the gameplay. Sometimes I'll get hit with a blue halfbeat sequence that starts on the side I thought was about to be the second hit, and get thrashed for a second, but I haven't encountered a single sequence that isn't onbeat and in tune with the music.

This might have been my problem, I think -- I found that any time I got off the beat in a section, it was really hard to salvage the rest of the section. Conversely, Perfect Sections felt like they flowed so smoothly, and they made the game fun.
 
parachute > teleporter :P



You're not terribly far from me then. I'm over in the Hudson Valley of NY.

teleporter + jetpack are AMAZING in speedruns.

I've also used the teleport to transport into a sealed vault, instantly killing the shopkeeper, gaining access to riches without any of the work.

the teleporter is hard to master but absolutely insane after doing so.

i say the parachute is utterly worthless because if you have a cape or a jetpack, it will be used whether you say so or not. if it was used outside of that you already messed up.
 
Been debating on whether to get a 32GB card or KZ:M.

Gonna get dat card. I figure I'd rather have tons of goodness, be able to get all the ps+ stuff, and I'll have the card "forever".

Will get KZ down the line someday... Though it hurts.

Probably for the better, though. I have Uncharted, Rayman Origins, Gravity Rush, and Guacamelee to finish still.

And, of course, spelunky. You guys are blowing my mind as to what I can do in that game. Will start practicing killing shopkeepers next time I play.

Also, I'm a fairly new vitabro... Add me? Jarsonot
 
no, go play 2 immediately.

like right now.

It's for 15 bucks in PSStore. I promise I'll buy it and play it as soon as I finished Xillia. I'm in that
weird cruise ship that Exodus has as it main base.
Once I ended it my life will be devoted to Uncharted. And after that I'll probably buy P4G an Tearaway.

Good God people!

I feel unworthy being in the same Vita thread as you folks! Hahahaha.

So-many-games!

You people seriously need to do something with those posts. Put them in the OP, make a proper thread or something. It'll be a waste if those lists get buried under the tons of comments we'll do until the end of September.
 
Of course I understood the philosophy. It's not like the game was my first time playing a puzzle platformer. At the end of the day, the game just wasn't very enjoyable. I was no longer involved or engaged in its world or game play or story. I don't drop words like "suck" out there, but Knytt felt like amateur hour when it comes to game design and execution. I don't need to be blowing things up or killing things in my games, but I, at the least, need to be having fun while I play. After 15 hours, I wasn't having fun with Knytt anymore, so I dropped it. I have a plethora of other games that I do enjoy playing that I could be spending my limited game time with, so I play those.

As i said myself knytt is not for everyone, so i understand that you didn't enjoyed it, but imo knytt underground has an amazing level design because the map it's either the challenge and the teacher, i mean have you ever seen an environment that makes the player, not the character, undeniably better and more skilled just by playing on it without a single tutorial or a single upgrade?
Games should take lessons from knytt underground's level design imo.

Been debating on whether to get a 32GB card or KZ:M.

Gonna get dat card. I figure I'd rather have tons of goodness, be able to get all the ps+ stuff, and I'll have the card "forever".

Will get KZ down the line someday... Though it hurts.

Probably for the better, though. I have Uncharted, Rayman Origins, Gravity Rush, and Guacamelee to finish still.

And, of course, spelunky. You guys are blowing my mind as to what I can do in that game. Will start practicing killing shopkeepers next time I play.

Also, I'm a fairly new vitabro... Add me? Jarsonot
Welcome!
Imo a 16gb card is a good compromise, you can store a good amount of games but with a more reasonable price.
 
i wish i could play mega man powered up on my vita

It's for 15 bucks in PSStore. I promise I'll buy it and play it as soon as I finished Xillia. I'm in that
weird cruise ship that Exodus has as it main base.
Once I ended it my life will be devoted to Uncharted. And after that I'll probably buy P4G an Tearaway. .

rest assured, U2 is better than all of those games you mentioned.
 
Goin to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to visit some family. Vita is now in my hands! Well, lap, due to typing and only havin 2 arms...need to work on that. Time to spelunk!

@breakfuss, I enjoy ZP, send a FR if ya want. Psn in profile. I think I have one more slot left. I don't play it too often, but I'd love to have a pro on my friends list to know what I need to shoot for.

Hey! :O I'm a Philly native. Where's your family live, what section of the city?
WTF, its like we all live in PA. Why is there no PhillyGAF in OT?!
 
Question about the games in PS Plus. I joined this month (Sept), so I'm entitled to any free PS+ titles that come out. What if you don't have the space for them and don't grab them the month that they come out? Do you lose the ability to download them, say next month, when different titles come out? Or are they yours forever and you can get them at anytime.
 
Question about the games in PS Plus. I joined this month (Sept), so I'm entitled to any free PS+ titles that come out. What if you don't have the space for them and don't grab them the month that they come out? Do you lose the ability to download them, say next month, when different titles come out? Or are they yours forever and you can get them at anytime.
You need to flag them as purchased when they're available. You can do that by purchasing them in the PSN web store.
 
Hey! :O I'm a Philly native. Where's your family live, what section of the city?
WTF, its like we all live in PA. Why is there no PhillyGAF in OT?!
Well I must confess, they now live in Honey Brook, which is about 48 miles outside of downtown Philly, but it's close enough. My early childhood years were in Greensburg, and I consider that Pittsburgh, even though that's almost te same distance away as Honey Brook is to illadelphia.

It IS surprising how many gaffers are in PA or around it. I live in Cincinnati, still not that far from the PA!!

Back to topics, got several great starts in Spelunky, but never make it far...always get great setups with like 15 bombs and 11 ropes, full accessory sets, all sorts of goodness. I guess I get too excited or something, cause it hasn't panned out too far yet..
 
Well I must confess, they now live in Honey Brook, which is about 48 miles outside of downtown Philly, but it's close enough. My early childhood years were in Greensburg, and I consider that Pittsburgh, even though that's almost te same distance away as Honey Brook is to illadelphia.

It IS surprising how many gaffers are in PA or around it. I live in Cincinnati, still not that far from the PA!!

Back to topics, got several great starts in Spelunky, but never make it far...always get great setups with like 15 bombs and 11 ropes, full accessory sets, all sorts of goodness. I guess I get too excited or something, cause it hasn't panned out too far yet..

I had to google Honey Brook. I know nothing of Chester County, lmao!
I live like 14 miles from Center City (downtown Philly), lol.
 
So yeah, Legends is up on the Aus store now for $48, $13 more than the Steam version, but considering it's getting all of the missing content I can justify paying the extra to play it on the Vita.
 
i'm thinking if i should bite in the Doa5+ sale on EU or wait and see if it comes to plus or maybe tecmo announces doa5 ultimate coming to vita on tokyo game show.

i can dream.
 


daaaaannnggg - i misssed so much ;__;

only became ps+ when I got my vita last november because it came with the 3-month trial.

edit: on ps3 i mean i missed a lot

edit2: and shit. i knew PAL was better than NA in regards to plus, but gad dayam!

edit 3: i posted this in the dragons crown OT - but i'm not sure how great of a response i'll get.... i want to get dragons crown on vita, but i finally tried the game out ( on ps3) and it seems like a lot of the beauty of the game will get lost on vita. it seems like even 1 player will be a clusterfck on the vita screen no matter the size and glory of the OLED. so which version should i get?? esp if i plan to mainly play 1 player.
 
32GB get!

Backing up to PC now. Sooooon... Sooooon...

A little tip for anyone new to this (like me): When you get the content manager on your PC, you may want to consider changing your default folders for photo/video/music. It took quite awhile for the content manager to build its database. Not a big deal, but it annoyed me because I couldn't cancel it.

(rubs hands together) Sooooon...
 
32GB get!

Backing up to PC now. Sooooon... Sooooon...

A little tip for anyone new to this (like me): When you get the content manager on your PC, you may want to consider changing your default folders for photo/video/music. It took quite awhile for the content manager to build its database. Not a big deal, but it annoyed me because I couldn't cancel it.

(rubs hands together) Sooooon...

get ready to have your entire library in your pocket, palms, and at your finger tips.... on the go... ANYWHERE
 
Thanks frost! I actually looked up Playstation Plus on wikipedia but I should have thought of looking up IGC specifically.

Yeah that list really made that obvious. I wish our Plus was that good.

Well, Europe is Sony land. I guess more people = more money = better games.

Maybe next gen will be different.

Although the PS+ offerings in Vita are more equal quality wise than the PS3. I suppose is because it's doomed everywhere.

Sooo September for Terraria? Cuz maybe I should get it for android.

Once you have played a Vita, you can't go back to touch controls. I barely use my Nexus7 (OG model) since I bought it. Before I played a little with it, now I use it for correcting texts (with Word to Go) and listening music with ListenOnRepeat while i'm writting.

My Shin Megami Tensei 1 file is there, waiting for me...
 
I know people advised against getting a 16gb card when going all digital, but I don't think it's as big an issue as people have said. The content manager link between PC is awesome, and once set up you can even wirelessly copy between them (from bed) which doesn't take long. I don't need more than 5-6 games at a time to instantly play, I'm happy to wait 5 min to transfer new games to the device.
 
I know people advised against getting a 16gb card when going all digital, but I don't think it's as big an issue as people have said. The content manager link between PC is awesome, and once set up you can even wirelessly copy between them (from bed) which doesn't take long. I don't need more than 5-6 games at a time to instantly play, I'm happy to wait 5 min to transfer new games to the device.

agreed - the wait isn't that bad. its similar to transferring stuff to an ipod/ipad/iphone. etc... faster i think. i made it with a 4gb for like 6 months.. but it is a nice luxury - ends up defeating hte purpose going all digital if you dont have your entire library with you where ever though.

16 at the minimum!
 
daaaaannnggg - i misssed so much ;__;

only became ps+ when I got my vita last november because it came with the 3-month trial.

edit: on ps3 i mean i missed a lot

edit2: and shit. i knew PAL was better than NA in regards to plus, but gad dayam!

edit 3: i posted this in the dragons crown OT - but i'm not sure how great of a response i'll get.... i want to get dragons crown on vita, but i finally tried the game out ( on ps3) and it seems like a lot of the beauty of the game will get lost on vita. it seems like even 1 player will be a clusterfck on the vita screen no matter the size and glory of the OLED. so which version should i get?? esp if i plan to mainly play 1 player.

For edit 3, you're lucky I like you. :P
If you get it on Vita, I can play with you.

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Damn it sony, i had to order a second 32gb card

Why for the love of god, they know the size of files especially when it comes to digitlal games ,psp and psone, ps+ and cross-buy and pacthes like 1gb for killzone, yet we are still restricted to 32gb only

To hell with transferring games back n forth, in a day and age where i can buy a 160gb ipod, to jukebox my songs why can i not jukebox my games in an instant? I can now buy a 128gb ipad and leave a ton of games on there. Or i can have a android phone with 64gb and all my apps and games, music and videos
 
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