That isn't nearly enough. Not even close.
Microsoft Is So Sorry About How It's Treated Xbox One Fans So Far
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That isn't nearly enough. Not even close.
The discussions on GAF will be a lot less volatile in a year or two.
It'll be a lot less about Console Warz and more critical discussion about the individual games.
People are too concerned on the potential of each system rather than the actual games showcased so far
Yep. They had plenty of money to get there console out there and buy up studios like Rareware and Bungie (which at the time, Halo was coming to Mac).
Giant Panda
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Sorry Microsoft, I'm only going with one console next generation due to time constraints and you have already pushed me over to PS4. There's always (maybe) next next-generation.
As a primarily Xbox 360/PC player who, shockingly enough, didn't actually have many problems with the pre-180 box in the first place, (though I certainly understand why so many do) I think this is the right step for MS when it comes to rebuilding their image. People and companies are allowed to make mistakes, and Microsoft's policy reversals plus at least an attempt to reconnect with the consumer is, again, a step in the right direction. Look at Sony 2006 vs Sony 2013; mistakes are made, things change.
Iacobellis
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And now Bungie has joined the Sony camp and Rare is stuck making Kinect games.
I'd say less then that.
Titanfall and Halo will generate interest in the console and from then on, people will be talking about games again.
Edit. It's started already, Forza and KI both look to be great games etc.
Sheesh, talk about persecution complex. Do people ever do that to juniors who are pro-PS4?
If the discussion is about console wars then it's wrong.
It should be about how Microsoft was basically giving the middle finger to most people. And people responded by completely dropping the system from their minds and not spending a dime on it.
This is the only reason we're getting an apology. Because gamers, as a collective, said "No thanks, Microsoft. We're done being screwed over."
This isn't about PS4 vs XBox One. This is about a corporation trying its hardest to take away the rights of its consumers and saying it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I don't think most of it is unwarranted, but I do think a lot of it is excessive bandwagon dogpiling.
Hell, it was borderline excessive from some people back when Microsoft was making horrible decision after horrible decision. At this point a lot of the hate is really pathetic.
I mean, I get making a decision to not buy an Xbox One for plenty of perfectly good reasons - I have my own reasons for not having one pre-ordered - but the need some people have to slag on them over and over and over again in every single thread even tangentially related to them from some people is pretty sad, especially when it's coming in many cases from people who never would have bought one even if they didn't do a bunch of dumb shit.
Garrett 2U
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They must have really broke your heart.
BleachAndPepsi
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This post I agree with almost entirely (including the fact I was a primarily Xbox 360/PC player last-gen), except I did have a major problem with the box pre-180.
As I said earlier, change has to start somewhere. I believe Microsoft is showing they can change faster than Sony did back in 2006, and I think they deserve some degree of credit for that. That doesn't mean I'm running out to get an XBO (not until it's $299.99 I think), and it doesn't mean I don't view actions taken in the near future from Microsoft in a cynical fashion. But it does mean I can say "well, let's see where this takes us. Open mind."
They're all corporations, all of whom are in this market with the sole interest of maximizing profits.
TheSpoiler
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There we are.
It's absolutely hilarious, but it also makes me want to cry.
To everybody here calling out people being harsh towards Microsoft, you have to understand this, even if it's gonna come off entitled. Until I get some justice from Rare, which was my whole reason I was in the Xbox camp for a while, I won't lose any bitterness towards Microsoft.
SonicXtreme
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like when booker T thought he could get away with robbing a bunch of Wendy's', huh?
It's not about 'Console Warz'. It's about not supporting a company who was about to shit on your rights as a consumer and dress it up like chocolate cake.
They're not getting a red cent from me ever again.
I completely agree. The difference is that Microsoft did it in the worst way possible. Which lead to the, very deserved, backlash.
If Sony had done the same thing, you would have seen the same level of hatred.
Yes. I do. It's just harder to find those people, because the PS4 is better in so many areas.
SymbolicGamer
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And what's wrong with the idea that's going on with Killer Instinct? Do you not like free content? They could have just sold the game for $20, but instead they give everyone Jago for free, letting people play through the game, and earn some achievements before deciding if they want to purchase more characters.
I wish all Xbox One game demos were like that.
I know I would.
A lot of people are curious on junior members since that massive influx of MS shills.
We did see that hatred Pre-PS3, get a second job sorta thing.
First thing I did was read the entire article in the OP, but the content in the link doesn't seem to match the article title. I can't find an apology at all in anything the MS rep said.
Can someone quote me exactly where MS says they are so sorry about how they've treated their fans? Nothing he says (that I could find) resembles an apology.
digoutyoursoul
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I keep hearing about 29th September for some sort of NDA being lifted about Xbox One, don't know if its possible or some fan having a breakdown
NullPointer
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I really, really would have just preferred a full price game with 25-30 characters. and a longer development cycle. The fact Microsoft is pushing Killer Instinct out so soon is worrisome. They only started work on it late last year.
Exactly. And PS3 sales were extremely soft thanks to it. In this case, XB1 sales were horrific.
Sapphire Dreams
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It'll take me a long while to trust you again Microsoft, I still haven't forgotten about the RRoD fiasco.
Iacobellis
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Me too. I miss the early days of the 360. I'd be playing UNO with buddies from school, just having a good time. We'd then hop over to Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 and have no worries. The days of LIVE being an unmatched service seem to be over.
Personally, the things Microsoft were implementing that were set to "screw over consumers" simply didn't effect the way I play games, but that's a whole different can of worms. Like it or not, the industry is going to the place MS proposed when they revealed the bone, but they simply jumped the gun; we aren't ready for it yet as a whole.
And you're last point is absolutely key, and it's why I think MS will turn this ship around. Though nothing sparked quite as big of a fire as their initial policies, the reversals have not gone unnoticed. Just a few months later, the overall sentiment towards the Xbox One has seen a massive upturn compared to how things were in May/June. It'll take time, but MS understands what they need to do to win back the consumer, and they're on the right track.
Until we can be sure they won't try something similar, I'd say. This isn't about "spinning". Microsoft has to earn our trust again.
Don't see why people are defending MS. They messed up horribly in PR having the success of 360 (in the US) get to their heads. Also, it's moot to talk about sales at this point when consoles have not launched yet.
Either way, the story is out that MS took their fans for granted thinking they can get away with all they tried to do.
Sony has done a bang-up job of taking advantage of MS tomfoolery and speaking to the gamer that the PS4 is mainly for games.
They need to cut the price or kick the bundled kinect out a sell the One standalone.
It costs too much.
It's really amazing.
BadAss2961
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It's hard to climb out once you dig yourself a hole this deep. As people have been saying, Sony had the same problem early this gen.
CoD 4 and Halo were a blast back then. I remember being so happy that Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero, which I had been following since their Gamecube days, were finally coming out. The Banjo-Threeie trailer Rare released was probably when I was most excited for any game this generation. I never would have guessed we'd be where we are now with Rare.
I'd say early next year when most people who dead-set on next gen have already purchased they system of choice. Which means they'd no longer have to complain right? If your content with what you going to purchase this fall, why all the furor about the product you had no intention of buying?
Forever. Its the cool thing to do man. Microsoft could give away free xbones and people would still hate on it. Now go put on your "i hate Microsoft" bumper sticker on your 86 Buick Regal, next to your Gore/Lieberman bumper sticker and lets move on.
SymbolicGamer
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But that has nothing to do with the free model. It has to do with them pushing the developers to get a game out for launch.
And they will be adding more characters as time goes on. You could just wait until they release the full roster before playing it.
I'm just waiting for Spinal before sinking any money into the game.
I just think they mean. The system is much more efficient and powerful design than we realize just looking at the numbers with the esram and helper chips
But you see, even though it isn't released yet, the PS4 is WAAAAAY better than the Xbox One. It blows it away! I know this even though I haven't played on it yet...
Therefore those juniors are perfectly fine!
I see things in a pragmatic way: the way I spend my money influences the product strategies that companies will employ in the future. Even though the XB1 has become buyable after the 180s, I will spend more money and buy more games on the PS4, not because I admire one company over the other, or because I am angry, or because a company's desire to make more money offends me, but just to contribute to the only relevant communication channel that connects us customers with the product planning people at those companies that can make products that we want: money. That's how market economies work, and that is fine.
The longer this message is communicated, the firmer the general contempt of certain product strategies will be established, even after those 180s. The important part here is that this message is not only directed at Microsoft, but at the entire industry. If people forget Microsoft's original policies too fast, if a few PR stunts are enough to clean up the mess, then the only lesson learned will be that the next company will just communicate such policies in a less moronic and less visible way; but they will implement them nevertheless.
CouldBeWorse
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Nah. It's more like asking your wife to be a swinger and apologizing when she says no. You didn't do the deed but your intentions were clear.
Zatoichi's Cane
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It's not.. Gamestop was advertising how yesterday was the last day to preorder to get it on launch day. People reporting it's readily available at target/walmart. The microsoft store had it in stock last time I saw.
I can't believe that there are people like you who don't think that what he stated is possible. MS tried to screw the consumer in the behind, and I won't put it past them to have a second pass.
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