Microsoft Is So Sorry About How It's Treated Xbox One Fans So Far

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Neuromancer said:
I'm just saying it'd be nice, is all.


As much as I enjoy slinging my feces at MS like a poorly behaved monkey at the zoo, I can't really blame them for this. There is still probably a significant number of people out there who don't know about all the 180's, this is fairly educational. Although I'd agree it'd be nice if they hadn't had to do this by just being decent in the first place.
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I feel guilty of still telling causal gamers that Microsoft is banning used games to this day. oops...
 
MS laid out their plans for their DRM fantasy, and they'll simply flip the DRM shit switch once more people have bought the system and are already invested. I'll have no part of it.
 
benny_a said:
You can make something that isn't for NeoGAF without lying to the people that are on NeoGAF.

The Xbox One wasn't designed for those things the way they are presented there. Either that chart is lying now or Microsoft was lying at E3.
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So you want the ad to start with "We've been forced to redesign Xbox One". Yeah that would be a great ad for mainstream consumers. So salty.

Every design decision made up until the point the device is released to the public is how it's been designed. The product is 3 months away from release and not final, still being designed.

The only "apology tour" that Microsoft needs to go on is the one where they release a steady stream of AAA must-have games and a great entertainment experience. Words and token gestures are nice, but ultimately of little value relative to great games and affordable prices.

People who want to be salty about this are going to be. A lot of people can harbor ill-will against Sony over the past too, but it's immature.
 
tino said:
Xbox is not longer trust worthy until a new CEO is in placed and an actual game industry veteran is installed to run the division.

Hire some one in the caliber of Peter moore and I give a shit about your console Microsoft.
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Don Mattrick was a game industry veteran. In fact he's way more of a game industry veteran than Peter Moore who came from Reebok. Mattrick has been making and selling games since he was a teenager.

The way some people try to act like Xbox is completely run by suits who don't play games is hysterical

Love hearing people talk about Ed Fries, Robbie Bach, and J Allard as great reps of the game industry when none of them had a background in games at all. Robbie Bach and Ed Fries worked on MS Office. J Allard worked on networking technology. Peter Moore is a freaking marketing guy with zero engineering or video game background prior to Dreamcast. Financially these guys were running the Xbox division into the ground.

Don Mattrick had the biggest background in gaming of anyone who ever led Xbox and he was the first guy to make the business profitable, by expanding it's appeal beyond just core gamers.

Iacobellis said:
Doesn't mean jack, he still did it for money. The guy was greedy. On that show he was featured on in the 80's, he started boasting about already buying a sports car.
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CliffyB boasts about his cars and life too. Does that mean he has no understanding of what gamers/consumers want? In fact if you're successful selling games then that suggests you have a pretty good idea of what gamers want.

During Mattrick's time running the business, Xbox sold more consoles and Xbox Live grew way more popular. The problem of this forum is that it selectively chooses what's a "real" game and what's not. Kinect/Wii, Facebook/Social, Smartphone/Tablet gaming is outright dismissed as not being "real" games despite the fact that millions of consumers love to play those games. No decent head of a game division is going to ignore those markets and solely build games for core gamers.
 
RedNumberFive said:
I love how most of their responses have been insulting, insinuating that we're too stupid to buy into their future of getting F'd in the A. Like somehow we just can't wrap our heads around their horrible vision.

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"Come join us in the future..."

Seriously, get fucked with that attitude.
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Erm, what is that on his face?
 
Too bad Microsoft wanted to charge us $500 for no fun. Never forget that ish.
They changed their policy because pre orders were horrible, not because what they were about to do was wrong toward consumers, no other reason.
 
Penguins&PolarBears said:
Don Mattrick was a game industry veteran. In fact he's way more of a game industry veteran than Peter Moore who came from Reebok. Mattrick has been making and selling games since he was a teenager.

The way some people try to act like Xbox is completely run by suits who don't play games is hysterical

Love hearing people talk about Ed Fries, Robbie Bach, and J Allard as great reps of the game industry when none of them had a background in games at all. Robbie Bach and Ed Fries worked on MS Office. J Allard worked on networking technology. Peter Moore is a freaking marketing guy with zero engineering or video game background prior to Dreamcast. Financially these guys were running the Xbox division into the ground.

Don Mattrick had the biggest background in gaming of anyone who ever led Xbox and he was the first guy to make the business profitable, by expanding it's appeal beyond just core gamers.
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Doesn't mean jack, he still did it for money. The guy was greedy. On that show he was featured on in the 80's, he started boasting about already buying a sports car.
 
To Far Away Times said:
MS laid out their plans for their DRM fantasy, and they'll simply flip the DRM shit switch once more people have bought the system and are already invested. I'll have no part of it.
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It'll be optional\opt in and in that case I'll be fine with it, either way I'm on the sidelines for X1 for at least a 3-6 months after launch to see how all this shit plays out.
 
soul creator said:
wait, how is that picture lying again?

note: change in policies before a console is available for purchase to the public isn't lying.
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Read the ad. Was all this possible before the 180?

If you come to the conclusion that yes all of that was possible before the 180, then we have nothing to discuss.

If you come to the conclusion that no, some of these things were not possible in the way they are portrayed there, then look at second sentence of the ad.
 
To those who think people aren't going to forget about the early XB1 policies, I guess you've already forgotten about Microsoft releasing the 360 knowing it had a horrible failure rate.

Microsoft denied it for 2 years, and then finally, in the face of overwhelming evidence admitted things were bad, and gave a half hearted offer of "free repairs".
 
benny_a said:
Read the ad. Was all this possible before the 180?

If you come to the conclusion that yes all of that was possible before the 180, then we have nothing to discuss.

If you come to the conclusion that no, some of these things were not possible in the way they are portrayed there, then look at second sentence of the ad.
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No, it wasn't possible before the 180. And are you referring to "we designed Xbox One" as the lie?

protip: they're "designing" the Xbox One all the way up until it launches. That's kind of how products in development work. If a consumer buys it, and can't do those things, then it'll be a lie.
 
soul creator said:
No, it wasn't possible before the 180. And are you referring to "we designed Xbox One" as the lie?

protip: they're "designing" the Xbox One all the way up until it launches. That's kind of how products in development work. If a consumer buys it, and can't do those things, then it'll be a lie.
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Thanks for the protip. As I am obviously part of the design team, as my feedback was taken into account to change the design of the device I'm hereby offering an additional design mandate:

Make the console more powerful than the PS4, so the baseline for next-gen games is at PS4 levels.

Because the Xbox One isn't launched yet I'm looking forward for those changes.
 
benny_a said:
Thanks for the protip. As I am obviously part of the design team, as my feedback was taken into account to change the design of the device I'm hereby offering an additional design mandate:

Make the console more powerful than the PS4, so the baseline for next-gen games is at PS4 levels.

Because the Xbox One isn't launched yet I'm looking forward for those changes.
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ok
 
Amir0x said:
We may poke fun at stuff like this because of Microsoft's behavior, but I will give them brownie points for doing it, because they're doing this immediately (well, relatively speaking: just a few months), whereas Sony took a number of years before it started coming back down to Earth after 2006. I may still have philosophical disagreements with how Xbox One is designed and what they're focusing on, but I won't diss this apology.
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I feel the same. But major Nelson is a doofus, weenie and about as compelling as Vince from shamwow. They need a new dude yesterday.
 
BruiserBear said:
To those who think people aren't going to forget about the early XB1 policies, I guess you've already forgotten about Microsoft releasing the 360 knowing it had a horrible failure rate.

Microsoft denied it for 2 years, and then finally, in the face of overwhelming evidence admitted things were bad, and gave a half hearted offer of "free repairs".
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I think that hardware failure history was actually one of the reason the public backlash for the XB1 was so strong.

People were only willing to put up with Xbox if it was good to the hardcore gamers.
 
Alchemist said:
Whether it's a large amount or not, the US alone isn't enough to carry the Xbox brand. Xbox One can't afford to be neck and neck with the PS4 in either territories.
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Not sure I understand why, at this point multi-platform devs\publishers can't afford to ignore Microsoft(PC or 360\X1) and if it's true X1 is being sold for small loss their going to make money on it eventually regardless of sales outside the US.

PC gaming's doing well and you know Microsoft is making it extremely easy to make the code portable between Windows8\X1 with the new direct X.

I understand your line of thinking and I believe it will potentially make the PS4 a better game console and put Sony in a stronger position but I don't agree that X1 needs to win any other territories for X1 or the Xbox brand to "survive"
 
"the best game system you are going to own for the next 10 years" ? I thought they said this was going to be the last system you'd ever need to buy.
 
You don't care about gamers, you care about pre order numbers.
If you would care about gamers you wouldn't have tried all that shit in the first place.

I wouldn't say Sony cares about gamers, but they apparantly know what their customers want and they give it to us.
I guess Microsoft also knew what we wanted, but they thought they can screw us over and we would be fine with it.

Apology not accepted.
Give me a good price and a lot of good exclusives, that would be an apology I'd accept.
 
So sorry about telegraphing the attempted ass fucking. We'll try harder to screw you after you've already bought the console next time. TVSportsCallofDuty!
 
"The challenge for Microsoft is conveying the value of the console without overhyping aspects that don't really meet expectations. They don't want to create such high expectations that people are letdown when the console is actually launched."
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Gee... what aspect could have been overhyped, Microsoft? Maybe one you had to silently kill?
 
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