PS VITA TV announced (~$100, Vita set top box - as in it has no screen - for TVs)

repeater said:
One positive side-effect of this is that it might diminish the frequency of tacked-on touchscreen/camera/gyro controls implemented just to check the "utilizing the unique capabilities of the Playstation Vita" box.. :)
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I was just thinking the same thing. Unfortunately the developers of Killzone Mercenary weren't informed in time. :/
 
Canis lupus said:
From the SCEJA conference, PS VIta TV is a device that lets you play Vita games on TV
Japanese launch is nov 14 2013
9,480 Yen ~$100 for the console
14,980 Yen ~$150 for the console + 8GB memory card and a white DS3
Accepts physical Vita cards
Plays PS1 and PSP games
PS4 remote play, can play Vita games through PS4, so yes also DualShock 4 support
You can remote play PS4 games through PS Vita TV on a tv in another room (!!)
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That right there gets me on board the hype train. I hate having to move consoles between rooms, and didn't want to buy several. This could neatly solve that by being my gaming Roku for the other room.

It's an interesting and cool concept, but it feels like a weird admission that the mobile space ain't what it used to be for Sony. Maybe that's just me. Either way, the future looks brighter now as a Vita owner.
 
So could I theoretically buy this with the mem card & download PS+ games directly to this without owning a Vita? If so, sold.
No screen burn-in makes me happy :)
 
Wouldn't it be better if instead of VitaTV it was a PSTV with PSP+PSN+PSOne Classics+PS2 Classics+Media Apps+Budget Price?

I would buy that in a wink.
 
CrisKre said:
But it's called Ps Vita tv? How do you think the general public will approach it? How heavy do you think they will market it? If they do intend it for the masses it will need HEAVY marketing. That's where I see this failing.

And frankly, since it doesn't play even half of the best vita games due to input limitations, I have my doubts about its penetration. It's a good idea not ideally implemented.
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Mainstream marketing will probably focus on price and convenience. And the general public isn't going to parse the list of compatible games as "native Vita games plus PSP and PSOne titles", but just "Playstation games".

At a low enough price the gaming aspect will probably be seen as an enticing bonus on top of the media features. The "TV" part of the name is to emphasize the media features which is what most people (mainstream consumers) will buy it for.
 
I'd love to see a Singstar game support remote streaming from my base PS4 or a Vita Singstar app. It's a game I only bring out at parties and having to carry my Phat around is a hassle, so I hardly ever take it with me to friends. This could be the perfect solution. Unfortunately, Singstar seems quit dead.
 
They should really just let us use the Vita as a touchpad controller for this if you already have one, or the DS4 so we can play Vita games with touch enabled features. :/
 
ab.aeterno said:
That right there gets me on board the hype train. I hate having to move consoles between rooms, and didn't want to buy several. This could neatly solve that by being my gaming Roku for the other room.

It's an interesting and cool concept, but it feels like a weird admission that the mobile space ain't what it used to be for Sony. Maybe that's just me. Either way, the future looks brighter now as a Vita owner.
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That line you bolded is wrong. You can't play Vita games through a PS4.
 
CrisKre said:
But it's called Ps Vita tv? How do you think the general public will approach it? How heavy do you think they will market it? If they do intend it for the masses it will need HEAVY marketing. That's where I see this failing.

And frankly, since it doesn't play even half of the best vita games due to input limitations, I have my doubts about its penetration. It's a good idea not ideally implemented.
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If this is meant to supplement PS4 streaming (and it is) it will have to support the Dualshock 4, which is touchscreen enabled.
 
omg_mjd said:
Mainstream marketing will probably focus on price and convenience. And the general public isn't going to parse the list of compatible games as "native Vita games plus PSP and PSOne titles", but just "Playstation games".

At a low enough price the gaming aspect will probably be seen as an enticing bonus on top of the media features. The "TV" part of the name is to emphasize the media features which is what most people (mainstream consumers) will buy it for.
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I disagree. Mainstream marketing I could guarantee will be helmed by the concept of playing your vita games on your tv. Hence the name. And watch it being a small push as well. That's why I think it won't be as big as many of you think it will be, at all.
 
It's really too bad it doesn't have 1080p output, with ethernet at least it could have been possible to stream that. (If the PS4 can even compress it in realtime that is -- probably not)
 
Keropon said:
Wouldn't it be better if instead of VitaTV it was a PSTV with PSP+PSN+PSOne Classics+PS2 Classics+Media Apps+Budget Price?

I would buy that in a wink.
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If this thing takes off I wouldn't be surprised to see frequent revisions adding features.

Durante said:
It's really too bad it doesn't have 1080p output, with ethernet at least it could have been possible to stream that. (If the PS4 can even compress it in realtime that is -- probably not)
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assuming the PS4 doing the streaming isn't being used for other things simultaneously, wouldn't the processing power and memory normally reserved for background OS functions be enough to handle compression?
 
so if this takes of (A big IF) and sells truckload (500k per month) and Vita/Vita 2.0 still sells as bad as it is doing now. Will Sony lump Vita1.0/2.0 together with Vita TV so it looks better or will they have it separate since it is now a full grown console and not a handheld?
 
Manmademan said:
If this is meant to supplement PS4 streaming (and it is) it will have to support the Dualshock 4, which is touchscreen enabled.
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Touchpad, not touchscreen. My previous post:

I'm not convinced the DS4 is going to be a saving grace there. Touchpad is a lot smaller than the Vita screen, so you'll need more precision to touch the right places. Yet it's also going to be a lot less accurate since you don't have a visual cue for where to touch it.

It would be really, really messy to implement that for most games.
 
Manmademan said:
If this is meant to supplement PS4 streaming (and it is) it will have to support the Dualshock 4, which is touchscreen enabled.
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The touchscreen on ds4 is tiny, making it an impossible solution for most titles one would think. It also doesn't have a screen to allow precise touch controls.
 
BruiserBear said:
I was just thinking the same thing. Unfortunately the developers of Killzone Mercenary weren't informed in time. :/
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KZ:M is at least much better in this department than many PSV launch titles. Most of the gimmick stuff can be disabled in KZ:M.

Kinda curious about how my Vita games will look on a large screen HDTV. Ground textures in
Texture Sacrifice
Soul Sacrifice won't be a pretty sight upscaled to 42", will they?
 
watershed said:
So I'm a little confused with Sony's strategy here, can someone sort me out?

This Vita TV plays Vita games, psp games, and PSN classics. It's basically a Vita for those who want Vita games but don't play games on the go, or a cheap console for those who don't want a PS4. Something like that.

Then the PS4 is their premium console.

Then there is the new PSVita model announced today which doesn't bring about any substantial changes in terms of new features or design but still costs the same as a 1st gen Vita.

Am I correct in this?
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Living room TV -> PS3/PS4
Bedroom, kids room, basement TV -> Vita TV
When outside the home -> Vita

Cross Buy means you pay once and play across all these screens.
 
BruiserBear said:
The first thought that went through my mind. Unfortunately it rules out a fairly large number of Vita games, including Killzone Mercenary which comes out tomorrow, thanks to the stupid touch screen bullshit the developer forced into the game, ala Uncharted on Vita which everyone complained about at the time of it's release. Sigh.
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If they can force touchscreen on full PS4 games to be playable on the Vita, why wouldn't it work the other way around? Dualshock has two more buttons.

Not sure it will work with tearaway, but that's an outlier with the touch use, right?

I'm stoked, more players hopefully means even more support from devs.
 
$h@d0w said:
How is attempting to increase the install base of vita enabled devices killing the vita?
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Exactly. What is with all this "they're killing the Vita" stuff when they're increasing the install base which potentially will mean much more support in the future.
 
Wow this thing is neat. For 100 I'll definitely buy one just to play Vita games. I hope we hear about a international release date soon.
 
tim.mbp said:
For $50 more they can get a PS3.
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Cheapest ps3 in Japan is a 25,000 yen ($250) 250gb. The 12gb model never released there. So there is a 10,000 yen ($100) price difference between it and the 8gb vita tv with a dualshock controller. In the usa, the vita tv controller bundle would have to be cheaper, maybe $125 or something, otherwise, it's too close in price to the 12gb ps3.
 
Doctor_Thomas said:
Unless this thing sells tons, developers won't patch anything.

Best you can hope for is touchless control set ups going forward.
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Agreed. And this is actually quite appealing to me in most cases.

(Though there are a select few games that benefit from a touch interface. Hopefully they will sort it out, and make two slightly different versions of the game or something.)

Regardless, this is exciting news. It's bound to increase the userbase for the Vita platform as a whole. Which makes it more likely that we will get games for our handheld Vitas as well.

The games might not all use the Vita gimmicks, but in most cases they're annoying anyway.
 
mrklaw said:
Although it wouldn't play Vita games, a discless PS3 could have been an interesting alternative. Would have been reasonably trivial to build in the remote play feature to play PS4 games on the PS3, it plays PS1 games, does netflix and gives you access to PS3 games too. And bundled with a DS3 you could probably get the price of a 12GB version to around the same as the vita TV bundle.
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Agree.

I don't think the ability to play PSVita games is actually the selling point here, almost irrelevant actually.

A $100-$130 PS3 Digital would have been much more interesting. No disc and a tiny form factor with access to everything excluding the PSVita catalogue.
 
CrisKre said:
I disagree. Mainstream marketing I could guarantee will be helmed by the concept of playing your vita games on your tv. Hence the name. And watch it being a small push as well. That's why I think it won't be as big as many of you think it will be, at all.
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If you're right then yeah that would be a failure on Sony's part. Media features are the selling point here if we're talking about general consumers.

That said, "no one" knows what a Vita is right? A mainstream consumer probably only has the vaguest notion of what a Vita is so there's no chance of confusion or negative association. If handled properly this could be a successful stealth relaunch of the Vita brand as well.
 
mrklaw said:
hmm. Although it wouldn't play Vita games, a discless PS3 could have been an interesting alternative. Would have been reasonably trivial to build in the remote play feature to play PS4 games on the PS3, it plays PS1 games, does netflix and gives you access to PS3 games too. And bundled with a DS3 you could probably get the price of a 12GB version to around the same as the vita TV bundle


speaking of which - is there any news on whether Sony plans to let you play PS4 games remotely on a PS3? Seems like it would be easy enough to make a PS3 app to receive the stream. If they could do that I wouldn't need this box - just use a PS3 instead.
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A PS3 app to do this would be wonderful. Don't know why they didn't go that route or make a bluray less PS3 for $150 that would have made more sense.
 
CrisKre said:
The touchscreen on ds4 is tiny, making it an impossible solution for most titles one would think. It also doesn't have a screen to allow precise touch controls.
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the touchpad on the DS4 is fine. are precise touch controls impossible with laptop touchpads? of course not. it will work, just not AS WELL AS a dedicated touchscreen.

if there's a game where the back AND font touchpads are mandatory for in game use, i can see this not working though.
 
Interceptor said:
Am I still on the same planet?

The Vita wasn't selling because it needed games tailored to a mobile market and not the gimped down experiences from home consoles it was getting.

And now we get a home console which enables you to play the gimped down versions... at home again. (minus the touch controls) and people are cheering? I don't get it. I just don't understand the purpose of this thing.
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See those big AAA games that people wanted on the Vita? This justifies them.


See that causal market that occasionally plays games and mostly want to stream movies and music? This is for them


See that PS4 gamer that wants to play in different rooms in the house? This is for them


See that gamer that wants a cheap, low powered device to play indie games on the couch? This for them


See that kid that broke his vita and has a bunch of memory cards and games that would otherwise go to waste? This for them.


See that Vita gamer who was playing a game on their commute, but never sees the point of continuing while at home because they have a huge TV for gaming? This is for them.



See that nostalgic gamer that only wants to play some old PS1 games but doesnt want to buy a huge bloated console for them, just something small and simple? This is for them.


So many applications and scenarios.
 
mrklaw said:
hmm. Although it wouldn't play Vita games, a discless PS3 could have been an interesting alternative. Would have been reasonably trivial to build in the remote play feature to play PS4 games on the PS3, it plays PS1 games, does netflix and gives you access to PS3 games too. And bundled with a DS3 you could probably get the price of a 12GB version to around the same as the vita TV bundle


speaking of which - is there any news on whether Sony plans to let you play PS4 games remotely on a PS3? Seems like it would be easy enough to make a PS3 app to receive the stream. If they could do that I wouldn't need this box - just use a PS3 instead.
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discless PS3 wouldn't have worked. PS3 games are simply too large on average for this to work. The flash based PS3 with 12GB works because it's easily expandable and can use discs.
 
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