What. I don't even understand this decision. Personally, I'm not very interested in the Vita lineup, therefore I'm not interested in this. And touch-based games are going to be unplayable. Lulz at holding R3/L3 to simulate touch screens, good luck with that. I guess you gotta give props to Sony for trying to save the Vita somehow.
PS VITA TV announced (~$100, Vita set top box - as in it has no screen - for TVs)
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chickdigger802
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sounds like a neat idea where some suit though this up, and people high fived (or w/e they do in japan), while developers/designers groaned.
Off the top of my head, pretty much every vita game needs to be patched somewhat to support this unless you want a shit user experience of people confused why this function doesn't work, or why I can't access say, the tv overlay on p4g.
I'm sure sony devs would probably be obliged to do this, but 3rd party? idk.
It's like the whole, gimmicks for all launch games aspect, is biting this product in the ass atm.
Heck, most 3d games utilize the touch screen in some way, from a grenade button, to item management, to item switch.
Another thing... why launch in japan? This feels like a product made just for the west. Everyone in japan are all into handhelds, and from what is known, this product does jack shit if you own a vita. I guess you probably can pop out your vita cart and memory stick and stick it in this thing EVERYTIME you wanna do something... idk.
This is a cool product on paper, but the more one thinks about it... idk. At least it should be able to play psp games nicely... but god bless your eyes.
Off the top of my head, pretty much every vita game needs to be patched somewhat to support this unless you want a shit user experience of people confused why this function doesn't work, or why I can't access say, the tv overlay on p4g.
I'm sure sony devs would probably be obliged to do this, but 3rd party? idk.
It's like the whole, gimmicks for all launch games aspect, is biting this product in the ass atm.
Heck, most 3d games utilize the touch screen in some way, from a grenade button, to item management, to item switch.
Another thing... why launch in japan? This feels like a product made just for the west. Everyone in japan are all into handhelds, and from what is known, this product does jack shit if you own a vita. I guess you probably can pop out your vita cart and memory stick and stick it in this thing EVERYTIME you wanna do something... idk.
This is a cool product on paper, but the more one thinks about it... idk. At least it should be able to play psp games nicely... but god bless your eyes.
Wait what.
It's...definitely not almost every game. Heck, Soul Sacrifice, which as touch elements, is compatible. I'm guessing some 'tap now' presses will be bound to the triggers.
Astral/H3X
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I guess if there's a way to use a Vita as a controller for non-supported games, then this could basically be a $100 streaming adapter.
But as it is... I... don't really get it. It's a baby PS3 that plays.... baby PS3 games. PS3's are already super cheap...
I don't know maybe it'll make more sense to me later.
But as it is... I... don't really get it. It's a baby PS3 that plays.... baby PS3 games. PS3's are already super cheap...
I don't know maybe it'll make more sense to me later.
They will use touch screen controls when they wouldn't have another option (Vita doesn't have L2, R2 neither clickable analog sticks). Sony will probably give a default input that 80% games will use.
I think it's a pretty smart move. Sony said earlier than the PSVita was thought in a pre-smartphone era. But they were trying to make a different aproach now. I think this is the last step in their new strategy. They are making the Vita an hybrid console. If it's succesful, lots of iOS developers will come to the Vita. Releasing PSN games like FarCry: Blood Dragon or Call of Juarez will be more likely. And there will probably be more native A/AA games reusing assets from the PS4/X1 versions.
Oppo
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Trust me, there's a very scant few Vita games that require the touch controls. Almost all of them have button analogs.
The inclusion of a DS3 is obviously a stop gap; a DS4 will be able to handle the brief swipy stuff we tend to see on Vita games.
I do wonder what's going to happen with the Vita OS, now. You can already navigate it without touch controls but I bet we will see so,e further changes to accommodate this micro console version.
I can easily see Vita guts/branding coming built into Sony TVs in a year or two. if that.
Callibretto
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soul sacrifice is getting patch for alternate control option apparently
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
It's a good idea but still having to use Sony's ridiculously overpriced memory cards puts a big downer on it for me. I also think for remote play I'd rather just have a normal Vita as being tied down to another television sort of defeats the purpose for me.
Diablo Rosso
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So this is what Andrew House referred to back in February when he talked about bringing the Vita ecosystem to a TV.
Yeah I'm OK with it too.
PuppetMaster
Member
Because there are not enough $99 devices that play SNES games already...
So if Vita TV takes off, that means the touchscreen will be pretty useless on the Vita...I mean as a developer why even bother making games that won't work on the vita TV and limiting your audience...
Also surely most existing games will be patched in without touchscreen controls... LBP originally started as a PS3 game so games should be functional.
Also surely most existing games will be patched in without touchscreen controls... LBP originally started as a PS3 game so games should be functional.
Wow. This is actually pretty damn cool. Hopefully it has access to all of the PS4 video streaming apps too. I have a Roku in the bedroom and I hate that you can't just start a TV series and let it play through multiple episodes. Sometimes you just want to fall asleep to a show playing.
Why would you make a Vita only game now? To flip this argument around, let's pretend that instead of the Playstation Vita, Sony had made the Playstation 3 Portable and launched that in 2011. Would you suddenly say there's no reason to make PS3 games anymore? That's why I find this whole angle preposterous. The only thing that's going to kill Vita exclusive games is lack of Vita adoption in-and-of itself, and this is one way to hopefully alleviate that issue.
As for touchscreen support, as I said before, I wouldn't discount that completely. And as someone else pointed out, there's apparently already some level of touch support for DS3 controllers, so there might be stronger potential for touch support to begin with than it might first seem. And even then, I'd still wait until next year when PS4s are launched and DS4s are out in the wild world-wide to see if there's a stronger possibility for proper touch support after DS4 becomes the default controller. But this is admittedly total speculation on my part.
Dragon1893
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I doubt it will look that hot...
chrominance
Member
If you can plug an external HDD into this thing, I'm totally on board. Cloud save syncing via PS Plus means you could take your games on the go AND play them at home, no fuss no muss. (Mostly.) Home box stores your whole library, Vita just has what you want to play today/this week/whatever. No need for buying giant memory cards just to hold all your stuff.
Which is probably why it won't happen, but I can dream.
P.S. You know what's really going to suck on Vita TV? DJMAX. Not unless they make a button patch or something (or I missed the part where you could turn that on in the settings). Having your screen BE the touchscreen is pretty much the whole point.
Which is probably why it won't happen, but I can dream.
P.S. You know what's really going to suck on Vita TV? DJMAX. Not unless they make a button patch or something (or I missed the part where you could turn that on in the settings). Having your screen BE the touchscreen is pretty much the whole point.
Callibretto
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sigh, people are only excited for Vita for the homebrew possibility, I've seen this sentiment since it's being called NGP
You can't, the OP is wrong.
immortal-joe
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Can you connect an external hdd?
And would the device be visible on the network from PCs / Laptops?
Cause that's the setup I have at home right now for my family. Boxee in the living room used to stream content stored in an external hdd as well as content stored in other PCs within our home network.
If this can do that, I'll buy two. If not, just one
And would the device be visible on the network from PCs / Laptops?
Cause that's the setup I have at home right now for my family. Boxee in the living room used to stream content stored in an external hdd as well as content stored in other PCs within our home network.
If this can do that, I'll buy two. If not, just one
chickdigger802
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So, is there any reason for vita owners to get this? Didn't read anywhere that you can use the vita as a controller or somehow 'airplay' your vita onto the tv.
adamsappel
Member
Day one. Sony is killing it lately. Can this do separate network streaming? Can I take this on vacation and play games from my home console? Hell, I'll take it on vacation just for the streaming video apps.
I use a stylus whenever possible to keep the screen smudge free. Gimmicky and unnecessary touch screen controls like the awful sliding in Gravity Rush really annoy me.
Maybe have two control schemes? It's not like touchscreen controls have somehow revolutionized the games we do play on Vita.
That's exactly right. There are some business nuances that often get over seen by looking at the "obvious" issues. It's all about install base w/ hardware, long term growth.
What game is that in the trailer linked in the OP? Looks like Monster Hunter!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MoTr_-FE0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MoTr_-FE0U
flyinpiranha
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Seems odd. If it sells software, I'm OK with it though. So I hope this takes off. It's strange they'd put out a competitor of their own products. Now they have two "home" systems really.
I might pick up a cheap LCD for the bedroom along with this to play PS4 games. It seems like an accessory to sell to current Vita owners (not a bad thing) but the PS4 extender might really be something special. I just really doubt the connection is all. But a $100 and I can use my PS4 on any TV in the house? Might be a done deal.
I also plan on picking up a Vita by years end so this may work better for remote play.
I might pick up a cheap LCD for the bedroom along with this to play PS4 games. It seems like an accessory to sell to current Vita owners (not a bad thing) but the PS4 extender might really be something special. I just really doubt the connection is all. But a $100 and I can use my PS4 on any TV in the house? Might be a done deal.
I also plan on picking up a Vita by years end so this may work better for remote play.
demosthenes
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This is what SE was waiting for to bring Type 0 to the west. Right guys? GUYS?!
Sony, hire this man.
Sony, hire this man.
I hate being that guy who asks a question that's probably been clarified, but this thread is so big I don't feel like going through it all, but...
I'm not clear on this. Is Vita TV an add-on to people who already have a Vita, or can you buy it separately with a DS3/4 and start playing Vita games on your TV?
I'm not clear on this. Is Vita TV an add-on to people who already have a Vita, or can you buy it separately with a DS3/4 and start playing Vita games on your TV?
Infinite Justice
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The latter.
Though some games will have issues currently due to touchscreen stuff (no screen)
Soul Sacrifice
PuppetMaster
Member
Vita does not have L2+R2 or L3+R3. So using a DS3, holding down L2 and moving a Stick could simulate the touch pad if they could make a cursor come up. Clicking in the stick could be like tapping. Could use the R2 + other Stick for multi touch stuff. Or for emulating rear touch. Still would be kind of janky. But at least would give more compatibility.
Combichristoffersen
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It's a separate device that lets you play Vita games on your TV, no need to already own a Vita :3
maabus1999
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Hehe, just wait for someone to pick this up, buy a VITA game, plug it in, and it says "not compatible."
Think we may hear some interesting return stories from this product from non-enthusiasts.
Think we may hear some interesting return stories from this product from non-enthusiasts.
edit: beaten
It's not, because the PS3 can't stream PS4 games, which this can.
It is confusing I admit, but from what I can understand it:
- Plays a number of Vita games natively, using a Dualshock 3 (no touchpad) or Dualshock 4 when released (front touch similates touchpad, I'd assume), to control it.
- It can also stream PS4 games using Remote Play, and play them on another TV in another room, or a TV anywhere in the world with decent WiFi.
- This presumably means you can take this box round to a friend's and play games using your PS4 that's at home.
I think that's right. It's either a limited, cheaper Vita with HDMI out, or a cheap streaming PS4 box if you have the console already - depending on what you'd get the most use out of it for.
Interfectum
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This is fucking nuts. Sony attacking media boxes with a fucking mini-console. They are firing on all cylinders right now.
It uses touch controls too much. For instance, to slide you have to put both thumbs on the bottom of the screen. It would need to be redesigned to work properly. Sliding would control much better just using the left analog stick but they wanted to be gimmicky.
Sony US would probably do well to just sell this as "Playstation TV" here.
Sony handhelds are kind of a tainted brand here, I think they'd have way more success by playing it up as a media streaming box that also plays games, rather than the other way around.
Also, probably put a 4MB card along in with the basic US SKU (if not beef up the internal storage), US consumers haaaaate being told "You're also gonna need to buy a memory card with that if you want to, y'know, do anything."
Sony handhelds are kind of a tainted brand here, I think they'd have way more success by playing it up as a media streaming box that also plays games, rather than the other way around.
Also, probably put a 4MB card along in with the basic US SKU (if not beef up the internal storage), US consumers haaaaate being told "You're also gonna need to buy a memory card with that if you want to, y'know, do anything."