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[Mugaaz]

Why can't Gil fountains be new players buying gear from crafters. Leveling 1-50 seems to give you about 100K, even if you don't try to accumulate money.

A Ponzi scheme if you will?

Because the amount of new player now is temporary. There will be a consistent amount of new player once the initial release hype wears off. Those people bring X amount of gil into the economy from their quests. That amount isn't enough to offset the amount being drained.

Eventually everybody runs out of quests unless they make a second character. They need daily quests, or do drastically increase gill payout of Leves, Hests, monster gill drops, and/or dungeon allagan pieces to equal the sink. It's possible they can also just lower the gil sinks so drastically that the small fountains we have now is enough, but it would have to be an insane reduction. The other problem would be that the best way to make money then would be making new chars to run quests , which would just be bizarre.

 

[WolvenOne]

Those earrings require Peacock Ore...which you buy from Tomes. forcing a crafter to run dungeons.

</facepalm>

Couldn't the crafters arrange to have someone else run the dungeon for those items, in exchange for Gil?

 

[Mugaaz]

Hmmm, so crafters need to do endgame as battle classes to be crafters?

No. I wouldn't raise that complaint. Its pointless overall so complaining about how to acquire the tomes is irrelevant. Paying 300% of the token cost to get the mats to make an item you NEED to HQ to make money. After that you HAVE to meld it to the cap to surpass what people can buy for 1/3 the tokens and 1/100th the effort. Too much hassle for too little pay off right now. I like the core idea of crafters being able to make Tier x.5, but the costs are too high to justify it even for the hardest of the hardcore.

Couldn't the crafters arrange to have someone else run the dungeon for those items, in exchange for Gil?

Yes, but good luck with that.

 

[Shouta]

Those earrings require Peacock Ore...which you buy from Tomes. forcing a crafter to run dungeons.

</facepalm>

Ah, the ingots require peacock ore. Stupid DBs don't list it nicely.

 

[Khrno]

Hrm, I'll have to check it again.

I looked at the Rose Gold Ear Screws and they only required crafted Rose Gold and Darksteel items both of which were buyable. I know the body armors were more pricey because of that but it looked like most of the GSM stuff didn't require it.

I made myself one of those HQ earrings for my BLM/SMN and also 5x melded it, although I didn't have enough to get better materias, but still I managed something nice for the other 4 melds with I and IIs.

Anyway, the Rose Gold Ingot requires 9 Peacock Ore which cost 1125 philosophy tomes, or w/e amount people are charging for them in the AH. I'm sure prices will go down as more people spam AK for quick gil.

 

[Ultrabum]

Because the amount of new player now is temporary. There will be a consistent amount of new player once the initial release hype wears off. Those people bring X amount of gil into the economy from their quests. That amount isn't enough to offset the amount being drained.

Eventually everybody runs out of quests unless they make a second character. They need daily quests, or do drastically increase gill payout of Leves, Hests, monster gill drops, and/or dungeon allagan pieces to equal the sink. It's possible they can also just lower the gil sinks so drastically that the small fountains we have now is enough, but it would have to be an insane reduction. The other problem would be that the best way to make money then would be making new chars to run quests , which would just be bizarre.

I agree making an alt for money sounds bizarre, but I would take that over what happened in ffxi:
There are no gold sinks and there is just massive inflation, with level 30 stuff costing 100,000gold.

It's a balancing act for sure, and there does seem to be no way to get large amounts of npc gold at level 50.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

Couldn't the crafters arrange to have someone else run the dungeon for those items, in exchange for Gil?

Are those items non-tradable?

 

[Shouta]

I made myself one of those HQ earrings for my BLM/SMN and also 5x melded it, although I didn't have enough to get better materias, but still I managed something nice for the other 4 melds with I and IIs.

Anyway, the Rose Gold Ingot requires 9 Peacock Ore which cost 1125 philosophy tomes, or w/e amount people are charging for them in the AH. I'm sure prices will go down as more people spam AK for quick gil.

Yeah, I forgot about the ingot.

I'm going to make a thread on the official forums about this if someone hasn't already. It's a little silly to force crafters to do dungeons to craft this stuff. Why aren't these available off nodes and the like? Or are they and no one's gotten any, lol.

Edit: That's what the one i saw looks like but the Ear Screw for melees.

 

[Ferrio]

Not to mention Gathers can't do leves until their Battle class has unlocked the leve npc every 5 levels. *facepalm*

 

[ROBOKITTYZILLA]

I don't know why I even bother posting in this thread anymore. I guess I look forward to Kiryogi's posts. Always waiting patiently, rubbing his hands together, for the opportunity to take cheap shots at Ultros whenever the occasion rises.

That's quite a policy. Things seem a little serious on Ultros there

Nope.

Our policy is not much different than NeoGAF's own. If it's something that would get you banned here, it would probably get you removed from the Free Company too. We just want to promote a positive environment for everyone to commune and have fun.

What's been happening the last few pages goes directly against that and there was no reason to bring it to the thread.

 

[mileS]

MMO guilds are srs bsns, didn't you hear? Guess they didn't get the memo that GAF will abandon this in a month or so, like every game. Glad the Sarg LS is much nicer :3

I'm on both. I don't see a problem. The Ultros FC is great tbh. With 500 members theres bound to be people that start shit or make a big deal out of nothing. I really don't see a problem with what ROBOKITTYZILLA was saying. Nobody wants that kind of drama and false information spreading. If people have a serious problem, talking to an officer in private is probably the best bet at getting something done.

Anyways. I have always liked the people on Sarg and will continue to play there as well. I just don't think its fair to read a couple posts like above and assume that the GAF FC on Ultros isn't nice. There's a ton of super nice, friendly/helpful people there. In fact its one of the best MMO communities I've been involved with.

Hope nobody reads too much into this post. I'm not saying one is better than the other. No reason for GAF to be divided because of this.

 

[Edvardelis]

I'm not surprised that the game is designed around the combat classes with the others being considered secondary. Them being full "classes" kind of hides that fact.

 

[omlet]

I was going to help you once with Titan, but I think I'm confused where you are situated at. Is there a NeoGAF LS I don't know about? I'm in the NeoGAF FC, but not a LS.

EDIT: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/85959-Warrior-Marauder-DPS-definitely-viable

There's an old GAF LS on Sargatanas that was carried over from 1.x, but no one uses it now. I think I've seen maybe 2 lines of chat in that LS since launch. Not much use for it really now.

Hrm, I'll have to check it again.

I looked at the Rose Gold Ear Screws and they only required crafted Rose Gold and Darksteel items both of which were buyable. I know the body armors were more pricey because of that but it looked like most of the GSM stuff didn't require it.

The GSM stuff needs Rose Gold Ingots, made with 9 Peacock Ore (1125 Tomestones worth).

Anyway, on the topic of the crafted gear and how good it is, I'd like to present two examples. I crafted and melded both of these this weekend. Each one cost just under 2 million gil worth of current-price materials and materia, though all I actually bought was materia (about 600k worth).

vs darklight

vs darklight subligar's 20STR / 22VIT / 27ACC / 19SS

Are those items non-tradable?

They are tradable and so are the i70 crafted equipment pieces.

 

[notworksafe]

I was going to help you once with Titan, but I think I'm confused where you are situated at. Is there a NeoGAF LS I don't know about? I'm in the NeoGAF FC, but not a LS.

EDIT: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/85959-Warrior-Marauder-DPS-definitely-viable

Yeah, I'm in NeoBELIEVE LS for now, though I'll probably move over once my friends give up on the game when their time runs out.

Or you can just add me if you ever want to run something. I'm usually always down! Name is Tacoface Delicioso

 

[Dunan]

None of them. Both PLD and WAR can't use skills form either THM or Archer. Their disciplines can but the skills aren't useful at all.

WAR can only take abilities from GLD and PGL, and the PLD can only take skills from MRD and CNJ. So you would essentially be starting from scratch. It doesn't take that long to level up the secondary classes you would need though.. for WAR you just need GLD 22 and PGL 12.

Meh; I'll stick it out as a DPS then, for now, and maybe aim for the Bard. Thanks for the advice!

 

[Lumpy Onion]

I've decided to give Sargantas server a chance and roll a new toon there instead of ultros. I know it's a legacy server, but is there a place for beginners there? Would love to join the gaf FC or LS and am wondering if I can with a newer character? Or is it a place solely for high level people?

 

[desverger]

Just tanked Brayflox. Pretty fun dungeon, especially the last boss

 

[notworksafe]

I'm on both. I don't see a problem. The Ultros FC is great tbh. With 500 members theres bound to be people that start shit or make a big deal out of nothing. I really don't see a problem with what ROBOKITTYZILLA was saying. Nobody wants that kind of drama and false information spreading. If people have a serious problem, talking to an officer in private is probably the best bet at getting something done.

Anyways. I have always liked the people on Sarg and will continue to play there as well. I just don't think its fair to read a couple posts like above and assume that the GAF FC on Ultros isn't nice. There's a ton of super nice, friendly/helpful people there. In fact its one of the best MMO communities I've been involved with.

Hope nobody reads too much into this post. I'm not saying one is better than the other. No reason for GAF to be divided because of this.

Oh I don't actually care, haha. I wasn't ever gonna play anywhere other than Sarg anyway. Far too lazy to level my stuff up again.

 

[Tc91]

Having to FATE grind the last 3 levels has really put me off leveling and playing I need to just man up and do it.

 

[Ryuukan]

Our policy is not much different than NeoGAF's own. If it's something that would get you banned here, it would probably get you removed from the Free Company too. We just want to promote a positive environment for everyone to commune and have fun.

What's been happening the last few pages goes directly against that and there was no reason to bring it to the thread.

I chose to be the "bad guy" on purpose because I did not want to name names of people here/in the guild. If you want to call me "slanderous" and basically 'pics or it didn't happen' that's your choice.

 

[Shouta]

There's an old GAF LS on Sargatanas that was carried over from 1.x, but no one uses it now. I think I've seen maybe 2 lines of chat in that LS since launch. Not much use for it really now.

The GSM stuff needs Rose Gold Ingots, made with 9 Peacock Ore (1125 Tomestones worth).

Anyway, on the topic of the crafted gear and how good it is, I'd like to present two examples. I crafted and melded both of these this weekend. Each one cost just under 2 million gil worth of current-price materials and materia, though all I actually bought was materia (about 600k worth).

They are tradable and so are the i70 crafted equipment pieces.

Yeah, I noticed several posts after that. =P

And damn, that crafted piece is way sexy. <3 Crit

 

[Kyoufu]

I'm not going down this path. SE designed the system. Blaming players for it is insane. They designed, they control it, only they can change it. It doesnt work. I'm supposed to blame someone other than SE for that? No.



Everyone who was in the front of the pack on anything crafting or gathering related made millions. This isn't prove anything. No one can make millions of mining nodes and then putting that stuff on the AH right now. You can still make millions taking advantage of the few areas shortfalls of supply exist. The issue is that all demand is temporary and once satisfied vanishes entirely.

It's called unspoiled nodes. Which provide a pretty penny.

 

[mileS]

Oh I don't actually care, haha. I wasn't ever gonna play anywhere other than Sarg anyway. Far too lazy to level my stuff up again.

Didn't say you did. I didn't want to make it look like I'm strictly calling you out either. I just used your post as a starting point to some of the stuff I've been reading here for the past couple of days.

I doubt theres very many people here that have played on both worlds and FC's like I have. I just don't think its fair to say one is nicer than the other.

 

[Shouta]

It's called unspoiled nodes. Which provide a pretty penny.

Oh, that's interesting. So untouched nodes provide better rewards when mined?

 

[WolvenOne]

Just tanked Brayflox. Pretty fun dungeon, especially the last boss

Gonna ran that a few more times tonight hopefully. It is a fun dungeon, and a good place to practice tanking.

 

[Ratcabbage]

I'm lvl 40 now but here's the scenario I foresee:

I hit lvl 50. I complete the main story line and job quests and have my AF gear.

What's the first thing I should do after that?

What did you do?

 

[ROBOKITTYZILLA]

I chose to be the "bad guy" on purpose because I did not want to name names of people here/in the guild. If you want to call me "slanderous" and basically 'pics or it didn't happen' that's your choice.

Slander? Yes. You accused the officers of our Free Company of something that simply isn't true, seeking to damage the reputation of our Free Company, its members, and its leadership. That is exactly what you have been doing in this thread.

I already responded directly to your private message. I'm done discussing it in this thread.

 

[FrankNitty]

I'm lvl 40 now but here's the scenario I foresee:

I hit lvl 50. I complete the main story line and job quests and have my AF gear.

What's the first thing I should do after that?

What did you do?

Start relic quest, run Amdapor Keep and fight Primals. when you are not doing that level a craft and gathering

 

[we.are.the.armada]

I'm lvl 40 now but here's the scenario I foresee:

I hit lvl 50. I complete the main story line and job quests and have my AF gear.

What's the first thing I should do after that?

What did you do?

That's when the endgame begins - you'll get more quests after the main story and your first two dungeons to check out will be Ampadoor Keep and Wandering Tonberry place (I think you get the quest to unlock this at Vesper Bay). Also, you'll get to do some Hard Mode Ifrit in hopes of getting your Ifrit Weapon.

Then it's time to grind and kill more primals as you head into the later dungeons

Start relic quest, run Amdapor Keep and fight Primals. when you are not doing that level a craft and gathering

I accidently started the Relic Quest for my WAR but I want my PLD Relic Weapon - am I fucked? Can I just go talk to those NPCs as a PLD and start my Relic Quest anew without having to complete WAR's Relic?

 

[kiryogi]

Oh, that's interesting. So untouched nodes provide better rewards when mined?

Unspoiled nodes are the tricky endgame of gathering.

Basically, they only spawn at certain times of Eorzean day and only last for 3 Eorzean hours. You also only have one session with it on top of that. Of course, this is the only place you can get endgame/high end materials.

They start off with all of the spots being deeply buried, so you have to guess proper which slot the material is at. (Which luckily is the same one every single time, check a guide) The other catch is your perception must be a minimum of 320 to even attempt at HQ mats)

 

[notworksafe]

"seeking to damage the reputation of our Free Company"

 

[SleazyC]

Start relic quest, run Amdapor Keep and fight Primals. when you are not doing that level a craft and gathering

I would run Wanderer's Palace a couple times before to get some ilvl 55 pieces to replace some of your lower level items. Then start running AK and doing hard mode Ifrit to get a nice weapon. From there move onto Garuda and Titan.

 

[Shouta]

Unspoiled nodes are the tricky endgame of gathering.

Basically, they only spawn at certain times of Eorzean day and only last for 3 Eorzean hours. You also only have one session with it on top of that. Of course, this is the only place you can get endgame/high end materials.

They start off with all of the spots being deeply buried, so you have to guess proper which slot the material is at. (Which luckily is the same one every single time, check a guide) The other catch is your perception must be a minimum of 320 to even attempt at HQ mats)

Do the tome items come from them? If not, they should. >=O

 

[xintin]

:lol Lord of Crags is not possible with randoms. Run it three times, twice with healers who couldn't keep the tank alive and once with a tank that couldn't figure out the fight mechanics. It's a fun fight but it's time to finally get past it.

Hopefully some people in the FC will be up for a run when I get home later.

 

[Recall]

Thank you Lian.

 

[WolvenOne]

Small Details I'd love for them to patch in.

Use of Rumble when thunderclaps and bomb blasts go off.
Footprint decals when walking through snow.
NPC that use voice clips and sound effects, seriously weird to see NPC's laughing in the background and to not hear a corresponding laugh.
PineNeedles on the Trees in Coarthes. Square, they're called Evergreens for a reason.

For context, none of these are big deals at all These are more along the lines of, small details that'd make the world seem a bit more, alive.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

GAF FC is cool peoples. I don't chat much, but when I need help it's always given pretty quickly.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

What do Garuda and Titan drop?

And I guess the favoured progression is AF gear -> Wanderer's Palace gear + Ifrit Weapon -> Ampador's Keep Gear -> Darklight and whatever Garuda and Titan drop? Or I guess they drop mats for relic+1 and such?

 

[chickdigger802]

when i say 'good night' people reply.


That's better than 60% of the guilds i've been in.

 

[WolvenOne]

:lol Lord of Crags is not possible with randoms. Run it three times, twice with healers who couldn't keep the tank alive and once with a tank that couldn't figure out the fight mechanics. It's a fun fight but it's time to finally get past it.

Hopefully some people in the FC will be up for a run when I get home later.

I ran it with Randoms, only wiped once, and nobody on the party seemed especially skilled or talketive. Only one person there ran Titan before, and that player was playing on a PS3 without a keyboard, so said person only offered one piece of fairly basic advice.

Seriously, most of Titans attacks are fairly well broadcasted, so it isn't a huge leap to discern how to best avoid them.

 

[kiryogi]

I've decided to give Sargantas server a chance and roll a new toon there instead of ultros. I know it's a legacy server, but is there a place for beginners there? Would love to join the gaf FC or LS and am wondering if I can with a newer character? Or is it a place solely for high level people?

Anyone is welcome, just please apply @ reddot.guildwork.com. Give me a tell ingame. I'm Eithne Rain. I won't be home until this evening PST tho. There's also more leadership names you can refer to in the opening post.

 

[ROBOKITTYZILLA]

"seeking to damage the reputation of our Free Company"

 

[frequency]

Slander? Yes. You accused the officers of our Free Company of something that simply isn't true, seeking to damage the reputation of our Free Company, its members, and its leadership. That is exactly what you have been doing in this thread.

I already responded directly to your private message. I'm done discussing it in this thread.

Honestly I find the response has been way more damaging than anything Ryuukan has said.

The message here seems to be: be happy, shut up, or get out.

Ryuukan just seemed to speak out about things that are bound to happen to someone in a such a large group of people. It says more about large FCs and certain personality types that don't fit so much in those environments than anything about the FC.

But for a leader to threaten and aggressively dismiss a members concerns is what truly damages your Free Company's reputation for me.

 

[FinKL]

How would you all rank class difficulty? To me, it seems like from hardest to easiest is Healer, Tank, then DPS. I mean, you instantly know a horribad healer/tank in a group than a DPS. A bad DPS, will just take a little longer.

I'm asking for a inexperienced friend that wants to jump in.

 

[docbon]

"seeking to damage the reputation of our Free Company"

Almost as funny as Kiryogi's "on ultros" edit and the sarg cheerleading posts appearing literally within seconds of each other.

 

[theSlacker]

Honestly I find the response has been way more damaging than anything Ryuukan has said.

The message here seems to be: be happy, shut up, or get out.

Ryuukan just seemed to speak out about things that are bound to happen to someone in a such a large group of people. It says more about large FCs and certain personality types that don't fit so much in those environments than anything about the FC.

But for a leader to threaten and aggressively dismiss a members concerns is what truly damages your Free Company's reputation for me.

The funny thing about all this is how different it seems to the actual fc. I don't think I've seen any arguing or drama going on in the /fc chat ever, and it's all people looking for groups or joking around.

 

[xintin]

I ran it with Randoms, only wiped once, and nobody on the party seemed especially skilled or talketive. Only one person there ran Titan before, and that player was playing on a PS3 without a keyboard, so said person only offered one piece of fairly basic advice.

Seriously, most of Titans attacks are fairly well broadcasted, so it isn't a huge leap to discern how to best avoid them.

it just seems to be one person every time that doesn't get it when I've run it. Titan telegraphs all of his moves but for some reason the 2 bad heals and 1 bad tank I've had don't seem to want to dodge landslide. I guess because it doesn't flash red they're just like "eh, whatevz".

 

[WolvenOne]

Going to say this once real fast.

The NeoGaf Guild, at the times I've been online, has actually been a heck of a lot more personable and civil as a whole, than many if not most of the communities I've interacted with over the years.

Even then, of course, the occasional stinker is to be expected. However, while the occasional stinker must be dealt with, such complaints and reports should be handled privately, so as to avoid making a public spectacle out of these sorts of proceedings.

Once things go public, emotions and ego are far more likely to become involved and aggravate such a situation. For that reason alone, I'd recommend keeping all such issues private, whenever and where ever possible, as a general rule of thumb.

 

[mattiewheels]

I'm very new to this type of game, so I have to ask about abilities. I picked Marauder, and reading up that seems to be tank-only. But I'm at Lv25 and so far the abilities I've unlocked are seriously basic, nothing involving drawing aggression, just a couple buffs and a few basic swings that can combo. When do I begin to see the abilities that I associate with tanking show up?

 

[blackflag]

GAF FC is cool peoples. I don't chat much, but when I need help it's always given pretty quickly.

Agreed I am not in position to help much since I'm only level 36 but I will and people have helped me with questions I've had, etc. I'm sure when I get to 50 I'll group more