President Superman was my favorite issue of his run on Action...
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President Superman was my favorite issue of his run on Action...
KoruptData
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Ive read GM's Arkham Asylum, Action Comics vol 1, and Allstar Superman. Did not like any of it.
Runs and hides.
Runs and hides.
That's crap. People aren't allowed to like something at first and then change their opinion over time? I really liked that run at first too but it became shit over time, this was the case with most people. Happy wasn't great. Now the only issue of AC I really like is #13. So it's not possible for people to like Inc without just being Morrisson fanboys? Give me a fuckin break.
SpiderJerusalem
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thats fair, I think Snyder's Batman isn't all that. I still like it though. It's good there's 47 Batbooks to pick from.
way yay
way yay
Shin Johnpv
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I didn't call it a 20+ year love fest. His early 90s stuff was good, and his run on JLA wasn't bad but at some point during his Batman run into Final Crisis it became inconceivable to the general public to dislike something he did. Dislike R.I.P. or Return of Bruce Wayne "you're fucking crazy", dislike All-Star Superman "I'm not even talking to you". He went from being a regular writer that did both good and bad work to being some fucking comic deity no one was allowed to speak ill of, and anything he put out was OMG SO FUCKING GOOD.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I'd agree with you if I hadn't dropped like 10,000 words total on Final Crisis for CBR. See, that's the thing. People always claim a Moz hive-mind as if no one puts any thought into why they like it but the people making these claims can squinch out a paragraph or two about it sucking or that people are just zombies for it.
Let's see who has the sounder argument. 10,000 words or 1000 letters?
Shin Johnpv
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It's the attitude, when his run on Action started I said from issues 1 and 2 it was bad and got attacked on here for it. Now suddenly everyone dislikes it. It's the jumping down people's throat that don't like something he does, but now 2 years later it's ohh yeah it did suck. Give ME a fuckin break.
2 years from now lets see what people think of Batman Inc before jumping down some one's throat for not liking it now.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Mine too. The amount of thought that went into the Earth-23 Superman is incredible when you realize he's only been in one issue in the middle of a bad run of comics. All the things that made Clark Kent Superman filtered through the Black American culture is so fucking impressively good.
Shin Johnpv: I'm happy he interrupted the generally bad story arc to bring a gem of an issue out. And seriously, I was picking up those issues month after month and hating myself. You're on some next-level blind bullshit hatred with this one, man.
Shin Johnpv
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Listen dude, it's awesome if people like it. More power to you, specially if you have the time to drop 10,000 words on it. I didn't like it, people have different opinions, when it comes to Morrison though. That's not fucking allowed. It's not that anyone is claiming a Moz hive-mind because they like his stuff, it's because people act like it's factual wrong to dislike something he did.
Please, you're just propping yourself up as some kind of hater prophet right now. People wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt because a ton of people love All Star Superman. As his AC run went on it became apparent that it was mostly just boring and convoluted for no reason. It's not like everyone defended that shit up until the end.
GrandHarrier
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I suppose I should clarify,
I like a good mystery. What I don't like, however, is being "punished" for not being aware of every nuance of a character's back story. To me, a book should be readable and enjoyable without requiring me to do research. If a writer wants to reward long time fans with easter eggs, hey, that is great. However, whenever I read anything in Morrison's Inc run, I didn't get that at all. It was just a confusing mess. I didn't understand why a line was being drawn, here and now, that Batman's "No Kill Policy" was going to bite him in the ass when it hasn't really been a factor in almost anything that he has done before. And we already know that Batman will kill, because Morrison showed that to us already in a previous series. I didn't understand why a certain villain was played up as being all but nigh unstoppable, when they've faced foes far, far more dangerous and powerful and beaten them. I didn't understand why Batman would be willing to go to the lengths as to start a "Batman Inc", but wouldn't call upon the myriad of other heroes that could have come to his aid. I could go on, of course, but I won't except to say that I don't see where people say stuff like, "It's intricately woven together". Maybe it is, but it is a tapestry with a lot of gaping holes in it too that aren't being acknowledged. I'll just say that I kept coming to hard stops that took me out of the pleasurable reading experience. I want to lose myself in a story, I don't want to get frustrated by it.
Want some of the best Batman stories going on right now? Read Legends of the Dark Knight. Free of continuity. Free to just write good Batman stories
I like a good mystery. What I don't like, however, is being "punished" for not being aware of every nuance of a character's back story. To me, a book should be readable and enjoyable without requiring me to do research. If a writer wants to reward long time fans with easter eggs, hey, that is great. However, whenever I read anything in Morrison's Inc run, I didn't get that at all. It was just a confusing mess. I didn't understand why a line was being drawn, here and now, that Batman's "No Kill Policy" was going to bite him in the ass when it hasn't really been a factor in almost anything that he has done before. And we already know that Batman will kill, because Morrison showed that to us already in a previous series. I didn't understand why a certain villain was played up as being all but nigh unstoppable, when they've faced foes far, far more dangerous and powerful and beaten them. I didn't understand why Batman would be willing to go to the lengths as to start a "Batman Inc", but wouldn't call upon the myriad of other heroes that could have come to his aid. I could go on, of course, but I won't except to say that I don't see where people say stuff like, "It's intricately woven together". Maybe it is, but it is a tapestry with a lot of gaping holes in it too that aren't being acknowledged. I'll just say that I kept coming to hard stops that took me out of the pleasurable reading experience. I want to lose myself in a story, I don't want to get frustrated by it.
Want some of the best Batman stories going on right now? Read Legends of the Dark Knight. Free of continuity. Free to just write good Batman stories
krypt0nian
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I knew one day Shin's Morrison hate would cause a meltdown.
#MorrisonProphet
#MorrisonProphet
GrandHarrier
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Incidentally, I am a partial hypocrite, because I fucking love Legion of 3 Worlds and that shit draws deep from the Legion well. But it has the benefit of being an epic punch fest that one can lose themselves in without having to give a shit about any of that.
Hmm...
Maybe I am a Geoff John's fan boy and didn't even realize it.
Hmm...
Maybe I am a Geoff John's fan boy and didn't even realize it.
Most people didn't even bother to finish Morrison's Action Comics run. I think I read the first 5 issues, and I was a big fan of Morrison's JLA, New X-Men, Animal Man and Batman. Why do you think that people who stuck with his Batman for 7 years are going to change their minds about liking the series in a year or two based on the reception of a short run that lost half its readership from Issue #6 to Issue #18?
I'm going to preface this by saying I haven't read most of his Batman arc (just the introduction of damien and the one with professor pyg, and an issue here and there off Batman inc post nu52. Otherwise I've been spoiled to most events that happen, but I'll read it someday just to get the full picture of what went. I also read All Star Superman, which I hated). That said, I don't like Morrison's style, for several reasons, but foremost among them is that he likes to simplify characters, and then blow them up to ridiculous proportions. There was a quote of his that superman is a perfectly ordinary guy, except that instead of walking his dog through the park, he walks krypto though the solar system. Why? You take a dog out for a walk for excercise and so that he takes a shit. Krypto doesn't need to excersice and if Superman doesn't need to go offplanet to take a dump, I doubt that kypto needs to. There is no reason that Superman can't walk through the park except for Morrison's hard-on for wierdness. And now with this Batman arc, he says that the entire conflict is just parents who are going through a divorce. In my mind,this only trivializes all the characters and events in the story. The best batman stories, to my mind, is when Batman and his villains are champions of conflicting philosophies. A divorce is just people acting like assholes because feelings with no real sophistication behind it, and from what I'm hearing, that's what Talia ended up being. Just a crazy bitch that orchestrated a war for no other reason because she felt like she got stiffed by her ex. I don't see anything compelling over that. no matter how many rocket ships and were-bat ninja's he throws in. In fairness, I only read bits and pieces of the story, but I haven't found anything to convince me otherwise of this interpretation. Talia would be much more compelling to me if her love for Bruce was normal and mutual, but they had to fight different wars because they believed different things. But in the first Talia offered to join Batman as long as he married her, no strings attached. He refused for no reason that I could see even though I read through it multiple times to try to find a reasoning for his refusal. But with the divorce mentality in mind, it's obvious. His refusal was just a fuck you to talia because fuck that bitch. Simple and shallow and two dimensional. And wholly uncompelling, atleast to me
KoruptData
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People think Morrisson's work is understandable only if you do heavy drugs lol
Don't read Dial H for Hero
Right!?!
Dial H for Huh?
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
People think Morrisson's work is understandable only if you do heavy drugs lol
Don't read Dial H for Hero
Yo, honestly, Mieville did some wonderful work on Dial H and I can totally see parallels one can draw between his comic work and Morrison's.
I want a Dial H omnibus so bad.
I'm not saying this because I like Morrison, I'm saying this because I love comics in general: your post is full of pure, unfiltered horseshit.
People think Morrisson's work is understandable only if you do heavy drugs lol
Don't read Dial H for Hero
No!
Please do!
I'm still smarting over that loss.
A thoughtful and enlightening retort. I bow to your argumentative skills and admit defeat.
The massive cleavage seems to be a DC mandate. :-/
I'm just going to come back to this thread of conversation cause you all went nuts over Morrison (although I'd love to see the reactions to Ales Kot's Wild Children and Change from those who dislike Morrison).
Anyway... at this point I think a Shazam announcement is almost inevitable, to the point I'd be more surprised if it doesn't happen. The Team Blue and Gold stuff is nothing more than fanboy idle dreams.
One thing I can say with 100% certainty is that whatever Johns has in the works will involve Mahnke on art, his run on JLA was only for Trinity War and he said his next project will be with Johns. Maybe he'll spill the beans at the Cincy Comic Expo this weekend while he's signing my books.
GrandHarrier
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I'd say it is at least one level above fanboy idle dreams, if only because of the revelations in Forever Evil #1 and John's recent tendency to try and build back up characters who may not have been in the public eye recently.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Oooo--more Ales Kot books I didn't know about! Gotta look into those.
When you meat Johns, can you use your persuasive powers to get him onto Superboy? His run with Manapul is still my favorite Superboy book and I'd love for him to bring some life into the character.
KoruptData
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I still wonder who is going to do Flash in 2014.
Tizoc
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People think Morrisson's work is understandable only if you do heavy drugs lol
Don't read Dial H for Hero
I don't do drugs at all (unless Chocolate counts as drugs), and his work is understandable to me. Really he just compress the events of 2-3 issues of comics into 1, some people just can't keep up with that speed~
ATM however, Hickman's writing puts me to sleep, but I'll still give his 'Ironman and his dozens of lackies' a read in the near future.
I'll be meeting Mahnke, I only wish I was meeting Johns.
Just a heads up, Wild Children was Kot's first book, so it's a little rough. Still very readable though.
GrandHarrier said:
He definitely has something planned there, I agree. He's not one to make that kind of reference and not follow up with it somewhere down the line.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Oh, my bad, my reading comprehension just disappeared for a sec (totally wrote 'meat' instead of 'meet'). Still cool that you're meeting Mahnke!
I just read through Wild Children's synopsis on Amazon and it sounds like something I'd be into. I don't mind a little roughness around the edges, especially if this is his first work. I immediately liked the guy's writing based off his first Suicide Squad issue, so I'd like to get some more of his work in my brain.
KoruptData
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Ill just leave this here.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/10/in-praise-of-dan-didio/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/10/in-praise-of-dan-didio/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
GrandHarrier
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Spike Spiegel
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The one thing to take away from that comes at the very end:
If you are unhappy with DC and wish to make yourself heard, that's fine and it's your right to do so. But if you're still giving them money too, then they're not hearing anything except the sound of the cash register, and your rants are for your benefit alone.
phazedplasma
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Exactly that, I bet a vast majority of those who are raging against DC bought almost all of those forever evil books.
I didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BenjaminBirdie
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lol me neither
I really don't think the people who want to fire didio at this point are still supporting his books. Maybe a year ago, but...nah.
phazedplasma
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Ugh i have friends that did. They bought everyone. I doubt they'll even read them 
anyways, i have a long train trip sat morning. I have so many issues of Copra to catch up on.
anyways, i have a long train trip sat morning. I have so many issues of Copra to catch up on.
Also, comic companies have been interacting with the internet for over 20 years now. They know there is vocal hate for everything. They aren't going to be able to separate signal from noise unless they see it reflected in their sales. So far, New 52 sales are up over what came before. I fully expect that DC's recent treatment of creators will bite them in the ass at some point in the future, but that day isn't here yet.
That Rich piece is fucking bullshit. Marvel are "saving comics" without pissing on creators at every possible turn. And the books aren't selling that well. The top shelf, the JL, the Batman, sure. But everything else is way the fuck down. It's to the point where DC didn't want Diamond numbers to reflect how shit their numbers are. People are already not buying DC. Didio needs to be ousted sooner rather than later, and saying the opposite is just making disingenuous clickbait.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yeah, keep talking from behind your monthly stack of all 52 delightful DC books. Typical.
;D
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
it's only 27 this month and I haven't made the count for October
**ULP**
Narez why?it's only 27 this month and I haven't made the count for October
Final Crisis if you've never read it, and the Black Adam Dark Ages mini though it ties heavily into 52, which i didn't read. The old 52 that is, not the new New new all-new 52.
dc buying for October:
Aquaman 24 -dropping after johns leaves
Batman 24
Forever Evil 2 of 7
Sandman Overture 1
Superman Unchained 4
Trillium 3 of 8
Wonder Woman 24
Justice League 24
JLoA 8
buying Unwritten in trades, nothing else. That's way too much dc buying imo.
Narez why?
MATT KINDT AND CHARLES SOULE ARE GOOD WRITERS OKAY
don't judge me
i feel so unclean
i'm gonna lay down a while
GrandHarrier
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Because there are good writers telling good stories.
Of All Trades
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The easiest way to point at leadership failure is that Iron Man 3 had double the global sales of Man of Steel, because that's where the actual money is. Comic book sales are a distant... like, fourth after movies, merchandising, and TV. The value of DC and Marvel is their IP and one of the largest globally recognized characters should not be being outsold by a former B-tier character. There are lots of fingers to point as to why that happens but the health of the IP is contributed in part by the comics division.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
And good inkers waiting for their phone to ring
(seriously that darkseid issue, holy shit)
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