Parallax Scroll
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People are talking about unpredictability of tournament results, not a literal random number generator built into the game.
Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 16-22 | EVO does a 360 and walks away
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People are talking about unpredictability of tournament results, not a literal random number generator built into the game.
irfaanator
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sf5 confirmed
where what who is this a joke post oh god
ThatCrazyGuy
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I love head 2 head set-ups.
call_kotaku
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more pics?
It was fine until you bitched about it without having a clue of what they're talking about
EarlyEarly
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What are the results since the break? I had to watch Jon Jones retain his title.
DryEyeRelief
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Random is a broad term to describe a fighter, but so is the word "balanced." AE2012 is a static matchup based fighter that requires specialization. It isn't like injustice where you can counterpick sinestro with aquaman straight up and win. What this results is in, as a competing player your success in tournament is tied to how many problematic matchups you run into in tournament. That's why you end up getting things like...Juicebox getting 6-0'd by Justin's rufus in grand finals...because up until that entire point he had avoided Rufus.
Immortal Technique
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I thought the UFC was going to be my 'backgrorund' watch but man that fight was awesome. I missed a ton of TGS action.
Saying 'random game' is a vague term. People throw it around plenty, discussing the probability of the game's victor as being random can still apply to the discussion, especially when people have often criticized marvel as being simply 'random'. For the outcome of a game or tournament to be truly random, it would require the game itself to have randomized elements.
And no, the overall discussion is still an incredibly stupid conversation. Results in either game are never random in any sense of the word. When so many decisive factors come in to play to dictate the winner of any match, let alone the entire tournament, random simply does not apply at all so the discussion is dead before it begins.
So use your brain before saying I have no idea what's being discussed.
irfaanator
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trollono said it'll come after sf4 2013 lol
shindoku21
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I actually like this format... I'm not a fan of double elim. Why would you reward the loser with a second chance? IMO, you'd want round robin pools -> single elim if you want to determine who's best skill-wise. When you think about it, there's not a lot of sports that use double elim. It's not the standard, I'm curious how it became the standard in fighting games other than because of time restraints.
SousedLouse
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Man, OR seems like a real trip - wasn't expecting someone to physically keep Ranmasama from swaying all the way over. Wave of the future.
I think it's because of time restraints and ease of use - double elimination is less harsh than single elimination, but easier to run and keep track of than round robin.
SloaneRisette
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A wild Ono appeared!
EarlyEarly
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I like the FT5 quarters onward so if you need to do single elim to achieve it then so be it.
But it's really rough before that due to match ups.
Sets should simply be longer in single elim. Most sports are 2-3 hours long per match. AE/Marvel should be played in Tennis sets IMO. 3 sets of FT7 with a margin of two required to win a set.
Losers bracket exist in other e sports like the MOBA games so its not uncommon. Difference is of course those games are also played over 2 hours where fighting games are played over 15 minutes.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I think single elimination sucks. I don't think sports is a good comparison because of time and physical constraints. Football can't do it, to long between games and the physical toll.
Basketball, hockey, baseball do best of 7 most of the time in playoffs and the season is the round robin part.
I don't know soccer that well, but aren't the groupings round robin to get top 2.
Basketball, hockey, baseball do best of 7 most of the time in playoffs and the season is the round robin part.
I don't know soccer that well, but aren't the groupings round robin to get top 2.
The Last Emperor
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Lets go momochi
For soccer it depends on the tournament.
It's Round Robin for group then single elimination for finals. For World Cup its one game go home, for UEFA Champions League its 2 matches (one home and one away, you win with combined score difference) for playoffs and final is one match.
SloaneRisette
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Man, Fuudo almost came back that round ;_;
The style goes a long way. I wasn't sold off of prerelease videos, but once I got a copy and put in some time I grew to love it
Passive Assassin
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good job harry potter.
ThatCrazyGuy
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It would be nice in an unlimited resource future when pools at EVO could be round robin.
Tennis setup would be nice too.
DryEyeRelief
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I don't think Kyabetsu made top 32 this year. I remember he lost early to Dieminion. That was after Dieminion lost early to snake eyez. Bad matchups!
The "living action figure" art style keeps it from getting dated.
SloaneRisette
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Passive Assassin
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tokido out.
SloaneRisette
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Damn. Bodies dropping left and right.
Well big tournaments have qualifiers beforehand sort of like Canada Cup for the whole year until the big event. Then for the big event they have the long games and just killers. No one wants to see Random Joe play Roger Federer at Wimbledon they want to see Federer vs Nadal or Djokovic vs Murray.
Capcom Cup is a great idea its too bad that they had 2/3 single elimination pools. The finals are going to be 8 players FT5 single elimination for all the marbles.
Immortal Technique
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TOP 8
Choco (Blanka) vs Haitani (Makoto)
Xian (Gen) vs Juso (Sakura)
Machabou (Fei Long) vs Fuudo (Fei Long)
Bonchan (Sagat) vs Mago (Fei Long)
Choco (Blanka) vs Haitani (Makoto)
Xian (Gen) vs Juso (Sakura)
Machabou (Fei Long) vs Fuudo (Fei Long)
Bonchan (Sagat) vs Mago (Fei Long)
Well, honestly, single elimination 2/3 in fighting games could work only if they were perfectly balanced and there were no bad match ups. Until that, double elimination is the way to go. It's not perfect, but much less worse.
Rice-Eater
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This is what I don't get. They went so far as make top 8 FT5, but pools only 2/3. Should have been at least 3/5 for pools.