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[ultrazilla]

So you gamed(no pun intended) the system and now you're complaining
because you were caught? I've got zero sympathy for you.

 

[Row]

You willingly risked your acct, dont be a sore loser now

 

[Madness]

Was the OP's console physically located in Oman when the download occured? No. Therefore it was against the ToS. I'm sorry you don't agree with this, but that's how it works.

It is for this same reason that if you download certain music from iTunes or Google Play, or certain movies from Amazon Instant Video, and take your device across a border, the content will be unavailable / removed from your device.

Bullshit. There is no rule that prevents you from downloading accounts to consoles not located in your home country. When I stayed in London for two weeks I downloaded my account to my cousin's UK console.

What's even worse, you don't even need to download off consoles you can download from the Web and have it download to your console. You can't seem to get nothing was against the ToS, nothing was illegal, nothing can be proven. Tell me where in any ToS is it written you must physically be present in home country to download?

If anything, it just shows the stupidity of region locks in a global community. I don't know why you're so strongly pro-MS on this issue.

And no, I download content from Google Play and Amazon in the US for use in Canada, nothing is ever removed.

 

[NoirVisage]

Seriously with the PS4 replies? That's nice that you're a wannabe walking advertisement, but that doesn't exactly help the OP or anyone really.

You're so sensitive. Try reading the OP, read it again if the point still eludes you.

 

[Truespeed]

Was the OP's console physically located in Oman when the download occured? No. Therefore it was against the ToS.

Perhaps you could point out where in the ToS that states that.

 

[Yagharek]

So OP got done in for game sharing rather than just getting games out of region.

Sharing games in the digital marketplace is wrong, apparently.

How did it come to this?

I'm disgusted but not surprised people ate defending ms here. OP should use his European resident statusand do what he can to get his money back from Microsoft. If he paid via credit card, do a chargeback since TOS means little in EU.

 

[Shiggy]

Was the OP's console physically located in Oman when the download occured? No. Therefore it was against the ToS. I'm sorry you don't agree with this, but that's how it works.

Do you mind posting the respective part of the ToS or are they available online? Just wondering about how it's worded exactly.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Bullshit. There is no rule that prevents you from downloading accounts to consoles not located in your home country. When I stayed in London for two weeks I downloaded my account to my cousin's UK console.

You're right, there is no rule preventing youf rom downloading accounts to consoles not located in your home country. There are, however, rules against using region-restricted content in regions which the content is not available.

I'm surprised you're even arguing this. That is, after all, the definition of a region restriction. No matter, I fully encourage you to seek out other deals of this nature and take advantage of them. Godspeed.

 

[baphomet]

Oh, bullshit. They made a bunch of games free, presumably by mistake, and a lot of people took advantage of it. It's not theft; it's exploiting an error. Is there anything in their TOS which specifically states that users cannot create accounts in other regions? Or that there will be recourse if they take advantage of MS's mistakes?

Yes, it's against the ToS to fraudulently gain access to content. I would say making a gamer tag that isn't your actual region would be considered breaking the ToS.

 

[nateeasy]

Op should be in prison tbch

 

[Moosehole]

I will say, though, I don't think the policy is a great one. I realize it exists, I won't bitch if I somehow got hit by it, but that shouldn't mean I don't get to voice the fact that I don't think it's a particularly great way to handle things.

You're absolutely right. Well said.

 

[doctorcdcs]

Op should be in prison tbch

WHAAA

 

[Card Boy]

WHAAA

 

[Shiggy]

You're right, there is no rule preventing youf rom downloading accounts to consoles not located in your home country. There are, however, rules against using region-restricted content in regions which the content is not available.

I'm surprised you're even arguing this. That is, after all, the definition of a region restriction. No matter, I fully encourage you to seek out other deals of this nature and take advantage of them. Godspeed.

Yes, it's against the ToS to fraudulently gain access to content. I would say making a gamer tag that isn't your actual region would be considered breaking the ToS.

Please post the relevant parts of the ToS.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

It's weird how the group thinking on GAF regarding fraud is so morally ambiguous.

Taking advantage of a retailer's price error is not fraud.

 

[cyberheater]

I have zero sympathy for the OP.

 

[Mascot]

"My son was banned from xbl and I pay every year for subscription why was he banned?"
Your son was nude on camera in a game of uno

This cracked me up.

The ban queries/protestations of innocence are here if anyone's interested.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Op should be in prison tbch

Hahaha are you serious? wow haha

 

[2MF]

Is the console completely bricked even for offline games? I doubt that's legal.

 

[DrM]

Wow, they have Live enforcement team?

 

[Some Nobody]

Ugh. People place way too much faith in businesses these days. If he'd come on here saying, "Hey, they deleted these games I got illegally!" then you all would be well within your rights to say, "Got no pity for you OP."

But a lifetime ban from games YOU ALREADY PAID FOR? I'm not about that life. And none of you should be either, really.

 

[Truelize]

I haven't gone back and read the Oman thread but when the OP originally got banned he made several comments saying that he tried to duplicate a season pass for a game. I believe it was Black Ops.
He had purchased the pass for himself and then recoerved his account on his friends Xbox so the friend could use it as well. I wonder why that hasn't been brought up in this thread cause last week he believed that was the reason he was banned. But he mentioned that he thought it was odd that the Oman account was banned too. But from reading this thread it seems that every account he has accessed on that console has been banned (he said his third account, an American one has not been accessed since the ban). Seems more likely that the console is banned and all accounts associated with it are as well.

The Oman thing is interesting because the games were listed as "Free" when accessed. There was not an option to pay for them through that method.

 

[Picobrain]

Yes, it's against the ToS to fraudulently gain access to content. I would say making a gamer tag that isn't your actual region would be considered breaking the ToS.

But some people don't have other choice. Me example, there is no xbox store in my country so if I want to download some xbla games or play online I need to create account in country that has MS store.
If MS has problem with that than screw them. It's not like we he don't have another choice.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Ugh. People place way too much faith in businesses these days. If he'd come on here saying, "Hey, they deleted these games I got illegally!" then you all would be well within your rights to say, "Got no pity for you OP."

But a lifetime ban from games YOU ALREADY PAID FOR? I'm not about that life. And none of you should be either, really.

I don't think anyone is for that. I'm certainly not.

However, "I don't agree that X should be against the rules or illegal, therefore I'm going to do it even though I know it's against the rules, because nothing will happen to me" is not a very good life strategy, IMO.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I haven't gone back and read the Oman thread but when the OP originally got banned he made several comments saying that he tried to duplicate a season pass for a game. I believe it was Black Ops.
He had purchased the pass for himself and then recoerved his account on his friends Xbox so the friend could use it as well. I wonder why that hasn't been brought up in this thread cause last week he believed that was the reason he was banned. But he mentioned that he thought it was odd that the Oman account was banned too. But from reading this thread it seems that every account he has accessed on that console has been banned (he said his third account, an American one has not been accessed since the ban). Seems more likely that the console is banned and all accounts associated with it are as well.

The Oman thing is interesting because the games were listed as "Free" when accessed. There was not an option to pay for them through that method.

Wut?

OP link us to your threads you created in the xbox forums.

 

[BadAss2961]

I haven't gone back and read the Oman thread but when the OP originally got banned he made several comments saying that he tried to duplicate a season pass for a game. I believe it was Black Ops.
He had purchased the pass for himself and then recoerved his account on his friends Xbox so the friend could use it as well. I wonder why that hasn't been brought up in this thread cause last week he believed that was the reason he was banned. But he mentioned that he thought it was odd that the Oman account was banned too. But from reading this thread it seems that every account he has accessed on that console has been banned (he said his third account, an American one has not been accessed since the ban). Seems more likely that the console is banned and all accounts associated with it are as well.

The Oman thing is interesting because the games were listed as "Free" when accessed. There was not an option to pay for them through that method.

They ban for game sharing?

lol

 

[Truespeed]

I don't think anyone is for that. I'm certainly not.

How's that ToS link, to what you said, coming along?

 

[cpp_is_king]

How's that ToS link, to what you said, coming along?

Who said I was getting it? I'm not the one looking for it.

 

[VALKYRAY]

"I have been a loyal Macys customer for 10 years now I'm charged for thieft for stealing a pair of heels. "
Sorry dude, you are going to jail

 

[Mascot]

Wow, they have Live enforcement team?

I know. I was amazed too. I've reported people on XBL who have sent me disgraceful, disgusting sexually violent threats against members of my family (simply for beating them at FIFA, for example) and have kept the original messages so that I can monitor the status of the sender. Nothing has EVER happened against these idiots.

Microsoft just probably only deal with a small selection of complaints or violations. A lot of the Oman abusers will get away with it, and a random selection will probably be banned. Luck of the draw.

 

[Truespeed]

Who said I was getting it? I'm not the one looking for it.

Was the OP's console physically located in Oman when the download occured? No. Therefore it was against the ToS.

Again, where's the ToS link that states that?

 

[MesserWolf]

Sooner or later regulation will catch up with this bullshit of unilateral bans that prevent you to access legally bought content.

I might understand a ban from buying more stuff from now on (like " we will not accept you as customer any more), but one should always be able to access its legally bought content, no matter what.

And the fact that they do not even give you a chance to discuss / clarify it is beyond ridiculous in my opinion.


The legal value of these EULA/TOS is seriously questionable in many cases ... and rightly so evidently.

 

[wrowa]

Breaking the ToS should never result in taking away from you what you legitimately bought. That's simply not acceptable, no matter the circumstances.

 

[BadAss2961]

"I have been a loyal Macys customer for 10 years now I'm charged for thieft for stealing a pair of heels. "
Sorry dude, you are going to jail

But this is more like the store making a mistake resulting in giving you the heels free. You say nothing, and get banned from Macys for taking advantage.

 

[Kandrick]

I haven't gone back and read the Oman thread but when the OP originally got banned he made several comments saying that he tried to duplicate a season pass for a game. I believe it was Black Ops.
He had purchased the pass for himself and then recoerved his account on his friends Xbox so the friend could use it as well. I wonder why that hasn't been brought up in this thread cause last week he believed that was the reason he was banned. But he mentioned that he thought it was odd that the Oman account was banned too. But from reading this thread it seems that every account he has accessed on that console has been banned (he said his third account, an American one has not been accessed since the ban). Seems more likely that the console is banned and all accounts associated with it are as well.

The Oman thing is interesting because the games were listed as "Free" when accessed. There was not an option to pay for them through that method.

Wait what ? Do you have a link ?

 

[mrklaw]

I love how the console ban message is 'we won't tell you why you're banned and there is no recourse.'

The very definition of arbitrary. Just imagine, we almost had a whole console subject to this.

Even if they ban you for a valid reason, they should not disable your console (which you paid money for) or prevent you from accessing the games that you paid for. They should stop at preventing LIVE access for future downloads and online.

I don't see how this would stand up in court - digital downloads will get more and more common, at some point it's going to end up in court

 

[big_z]

I haven't gone back and read the Oman thread but when the OP originally got banned he made several comments saying that he tried to duplicate a season pass for a game. I believe it was Black Ops.
He had purchased the pass for himself and then recoerved his account on his friends Xbox so the friend could use it as well. I wonder why that hasn't been brought up in this thread cause last week he believed that was the reason he was banned. But he mentioned that he thought it was odd that the Oman account was banned too. But from reading this thread it seems that every account he has accessed on that console has been banned (he said his third account, an American one has not been accessed since the ban). Seems more likely that the console is banned and all accounts associated with it are as well.

The Oman thing is interesting because the games were listed as "Free" when accessed. There was not an option to pay for them through that method.

searching around and following the OPs posts on other sites no one has gotten banned for the oman trick. the only bans have been due to people sharing the dummy accounts they created with friends and/or recovering gamertags to dupe content across consoles.
there are people that have been using these marketplace errors for years and they've had no problems.

the only other thing I found was on one forum where two other people were claiming bans but both accounts are newly created and activity is during the the same time so im guessing its one person making multiple accounts trying to scare people.

 

[Coldsun]

How is this any different than steam removing/banning for using Russian keys when you're located in the US? Different prices for different regions, most online services have a policy of punishing those who don't use it as they plan.

 

[Truelize]

They ban for game sharing?

lol

No he said he bought a season pass for a game and then downloaded all the DLC for that game on his console and one of his friends. Recovered his gamertag to friends console and downloaded it and left it there. I don't know how it would work. But he was very worried about having done that and several people in that thread said that was likely the reason. He seemed to believe it was as well.

The whole thing seems odd. I don't agree that access to digital content that had been paid for should be allowed to be taken away from him or anyone else. That would be like buying ten pairs of shoes from a store over a period of time and then finding a pair of shoes behind that store that a staff member had dropped when unloading a truck (horrible comparison I know - it's late I'm tired). Then having the store have him arrested for theft and force him to give all the shoes he had purchased legally back to them.

 

[Metzhara]

First: The Oman deal is shady as all get out. The problem for me is it is no different than robbing a store front on your street and then blaming the owner for being stupid and leaving the store open. Shit happens but justifying it to get free shit is just shady. Cop to it and live with the reality. You already made the action, hone up.
Secondly: I don't feel the story is complete. Was the ban a result of some shady dealings of the GT/Console using a "shared" account with a stolen card? Was it something as simple as the GT owner having his credit card stolen and another console having issues and a mistake was made? Something in between? While they're not new to issues, most of the bans I've personally seen have been legit, no matter how the person spins it, but I do not believe for a minute they're above an error or two. Bringing the first part into the equation I do wonder: Would a cop stop you and go, "oh, snap, you're right... the owner of the store totally left the door open. His bad...keep the goods." I dunno... probably not (even if MS isn't cops... I'm sure it's better than if they decided to get the police involved...no? I don't see too many judges thinking it's "cool" to jump on the bandwagon...but, I honestly could be wrong.)

With that said, I do have issues with how little control we have over our own consoles and I always have. It's been an issue I've had with Sony for a VERY long time, and MS is guilty of this as well.
Understand I am in agreement that they should protect their interests and any possible piracy if they can. I do however believe they go overboard with this and do not attempt to stop piracy so much as keep a tight reign over their mastery of your physical hardware. It appears ethically wrong to withhold the reasons for a ban from the person banned, regardless of how unethical the reason for the banning may be. I have issue with this concept and BOTH MS AND SONY are guilty of this. Neither side is guiltless in this and neither side runs a "better system." You'll hear horror stories from both sides, and both sides control their ecosystem with an iron fist.

I rest confident however that it wasn't simple as having a cross region account. I don't think someone who downloaded "A" game would have this issue. If suddenly "I" get banned I'll be the first to call "Tyrants!" -Adam

 

[doctorcdcs]

Considering what's been happening in the previous pages of this thread, you are correct in that I can't tell anymore

 

[BadAss2961]

No he said he bought a season pass for a game and then downloaded all the DLC for that game on his console and one of his friends. Recovered his gamertag to friends console and downloaded it and left it there. I don't know how it would work. But he was very worried about having done that and several people in that thread said that was likely the reason. He seemed to believe it was as well.

The whole thing seems odd. I don't agree that access to digital content that had been paid for should be allowed to be taken away from him or anyone else. That would be like buying ten pairs of shoes from a store over a period of time and then finding a pair of shoes behind that store that a staff member had dropped when unloading a truck (horrible comparison I know - it's late I'm tired). Then having the store have him arrested for theft and force him to give all the shoes he had purchased legally back to them.

Sounds like game sharing to me, which is allowed on PSN.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Sounds like game sharing to me, which is allowed on PSN.

You can share season passes on psn?

 

[Truespeed]

No he said he bought a season pass for a game and then downloaded all the DLC for that game on his console and one of his friends. Recovered his gamertag to friends console and downloaded it and left it there. I don't know how it would work. But he was very worried about having done that and several people in that thread said that was likely the reason. He seemed to believe it was as well.

The whole thing seems odd. I don't agree that access to digital content that had been paid for should be allowed to be taken away from him or anyone else. That would be like buying ten pairs of shoes from a store over a period of time and then finding a pair of shoes behind that store that a staff member had dropped when unloading a truck (horrible comparison I know - it's late I'm tired). Then having the store have him arrested for theft and force him to give all the shoes he had purchased legally back to them.

Are you referring to the right person?

Oh crap, it appears I've been banned for 'Marketplace Theft' for this, and I haven't stolen games other than using these marketplace glitches (and the one for AC3 a while back). The only other thing even remotely close to that would be from sharing Season Passes with my brothers xbox.

I did see this from the OP, though. Not sure what he means by this:

I took it from 3 different consoles to 3 different people. You CAN take it, just follow tutorial/instruction.

 

[big_z]

No he said he bought a season pass for a game and then downloaded all the DLC for that game on his console and one of his friends. Recovered his gamertag to friends console and downloaded it and left it there. I don't know how it would work. But he was very worried about having done that and several people in that thread said that was likely the reason. He seemed to believe it was as well.

you will get banned for that. rebelfm and other podcasts has talked about abusing duped content in the past. content is tied to the purchaser account. if you copy it to a friends console then both of you try to access the same content online (like a season pass) at the same time you're basically committing account suicide

 

[Truelize]

Sounds like game sharing to me, which is allowed on PSN.

You can not share a season pass to a game.

 

[malfcn]

Sounds like game sharing to me, which is allowed on PSN.

This thread isn't about PS3 or game sharing.

And looking it up, game sharing doesn't look like it is officially supported. They have scaled back on how many systems "sharing" can work on. Just because you don't get banned immediately doesn't mean it is allowed.

 

[petran79]

Can only speak for Valve, but I can't think of any specific exploits that mirror the Oman stuff. Now Ubisoft seem to have a digital fuckup of some kind every month that nets people free games. More often than not they have sucked it up as "their fault" and moved on.

Valve bans you too if you change your ip and buy games cheaper from Russia

 

[cyberheater]

You can share season passes on psn?

Yeah. I doubt that's true.

 

[BadAss2961]

Nevermind...