drhankmccoyphd
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Still wondering about the Non-Steam Game option. One of the things I launch for BPM is dolphin so I'm wondering if SteamOS would a) let me install non-steam apps abd B) stream non-steam game apps.
Valve announces SteamOS
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It's just matter of time before MS announces that it won't let install anything on Windows if its not bought or downloaded from their app store.
Valve is just being proactive in that aspect. Gaben know that sooner or later MS will pull the plug.
fluffydelusions
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I can see a $99 streaming box running this.
Freeman
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Why would HL3 perform worse on SteamOS than it would on windows? You could just create a partition an install it there, easy. Im not saying they are going to do it, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What I think Valve could to to push for more games that run on SteamOS, is to take a smaller cut of game that have a SteamOS version. Win/win for everyone.
Prophet Steve
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For you? Pretty much none.
Now you get your regular casual who wants to play a lot of titles that are available on the PC. A ready for you Steambox with SteamOS seems like a pretty viable option. Or see it is a replacement for a HTPC.
From what they list on the page they have specific optimizations made for that. I do not know how big the difference is though, neither do I know enough about this to say how they do it.
megabytecr
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Guys the advantage here is flexibility as you can:
-Install SteamOS and get more out of your hardware. They must be doing something here to get more game support. Tools for porting? VM?
- Advantages here are select from different hardware configurations. Again flexibility, if you already have a Mighty PC, then get a thin SteamOS client, if not go all out on the SteamBox Hardware, or middle ground. Flexibility is the major feature here.
-Stream your PC games to another SteamOS machine, make it SteamBox or some PC you have lying around that you install SteamOS to.
-Best of both worlds, PC as you know it, plus features to enjoy it in the living room or bedroom. Multiple configurations, push SteamOS as the target for PC games, making something easier for devs to attrack them.
Really really excited for the possibilities. This could be huge for PC gaming as SteamOS can get more performance than Windows, while getting all the living room features, plus if you don't like them you can have SteamOS plus Windows in your PC.
I don't really see anything wrong with any of this.
-Install SteamOS and get more out of your hardware. They must be doing something here to get more game support. Tools for porting? VM?
- Advantages here are select from different hardware configurations. Again flexibility, if you already have a Mighty PC, then get a thin SteamOS client, if not go all out on the SteamBox Hardware, or middle ground. Flexibility is the major feature here.
-Stream your PC games to another SteamOS machine, make it SteamBox or some PC you have lying around that you install SteamOS to.
-Best of both worlds, PC as you know it, plus features to enjoy it in the living room or bedroom. Multiple configurations, push SteamOS as the target for PC games, making something easier for devs to attrack them.
Really really excited for the possibilities. This could be huge for PC gaming as SteamOS can get more performance than Windows, while getting all the living room features, plus if you don't like them you can have SteamOS plus Windows in your PC.
I don't really see anything wrong with any of this.
I'm kind of unsure about this, on one hand its awesome and having a dedicated Steam OS is fantastic, on the other hand by limiting yourself to only games you lose out on other features that people use their PC for, like watching YouTube, Hulu, or Netflix. If they can get native apps of the video streaming service though, this will be incredible
Marty Chinn
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I think people are jumping the gun with excitement for this. As it will be for the near future, this will be very limiting and have plenty of caveats. A Windows PC hooked to your TV will likely still be better, and more flexible with what you can do with it. Maybe down the line, this could be something that grows into something exciting, but this is like step 1 of like 100 steps before it gets there if it ever gets there at all. I see what Valve is trying to accomplish, but let's not celebrate like they're already there.
i am kind off worry
i am not used to linux
all my life was on Windows
i have Gaming laptop
and my most of my work depend on windows products
installing other OS in my laptop seem a bit hassle for me
are they gonna stop making games for windows ?
are they gonna be exclusive games for steam OS ?
i also play BF3 and some game on Origin
what is gonna happen ?
and i use Dolphine and PCSX2 all the time
i am not used to linux
all my life was on Windows
i have Gaming laptop
and my most of my work depend on windows products
installing other OS in my laptop seem a bit hassle for me
are they gonna stop making games for windows ?
are they gonna be exclusive games for steam OS ?
i also play BF3 and some game on Origin
what is gonna happen ?
and i use Dolphine and PCSX2 all the time
Why do Rokus and AppleTVs sell? Same reason why steam box would, it's convenient.
... or I could take a Titan GPU and put it into my windows PC that I already have setup the way I want.
I am not saying a bad idea, just not going to make me change my OS just because it's Valve.
Interesting idea about installing it into a TV or some such. But then you need a HD and such (Samsung)
So, let me do a recap. Steam announces a new Linux distro which only eases the process of playing your PC games in your TV via streaming and also takes advantage of some of the Steam features natively. The games are running on a Windows platform in the most of the cases. Even so people are claiming "RIP Windows" and calling this "revolutionary". Sorry but no, this won't make a diference at the end of the day. Maybe it's a good alternative to the HTPCs, but nothing more.
Acti
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Free OS... this sounds quite interesting.
I love Steam and Steam loves me back... soon there will be little Steams all over the house!
cute
Interfectum
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Exactly. This is a long term play and if it works will have a significant impact on PC gaming. Now now but 2-3 years from now.
Ultimadrago
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Soooooooooooo
Where's SteamBox?
Where's SteamBox?
maabus1999
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Bleh, those FPS numbers are already huge that the FPS gain is somewhat masking. % change would be a more valid metric for me, which in this case seems to be 10-20%. Not trivial, no, but would also like to see this optimization on a non-Valve title for a variety of reasons.
Chittagong
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Eh, as a PC living room gamer this does nothing to me. To me the prospect of Xbone controller integration and a holistically belfiore'd W9 on my TV is more compelling.
Unless there's a one-click or very simple way to port games to SteamOS, this is pointless. Porting has to be extremely cheap or done through Valve. I know nothing about porting to Linux, but it cannot be as simple as flipping a switch.
Look at all the games that are on one platform and not another, especially the Indie stuff.
Because there is more than an os and a binary! What if your gaming hardware isn't supported? Bad graphics driver? No sound? I've gone through all on Linux, believe me.
Suuuureee
...and each one of those will be made capable of launching a virtual SteamOS to run SteamOS exclusive titles.
this is where the plan is heading.
your home network will become like central heating, and your main rig will be your boiler. a self-sustaining local cloud network which the user has total agency over.
it all sounds very nice if it should work out.
You're still Valve's main audience, Dota 2 is their moneymaker. This is for a different audience.
Proelite
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That won't happen unless MS phones and tablets suddenly takes off and replaces the desktop business in profits generated.
even if you built a computer just for gaming, would you not want it to be able to do other stuff like office, visual studios etc even if you don't use them on a regular basis?
GuitarAtomik
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Eh :/ This was probably the best solution we could hope for for OS compatibility but it's still a bit disappointing. A LOT of this thing's appeal will depend on the performance of it and I have a feeling it's reliability will vary wildly across hardware configurations. Maybe not though. Need to see more details.
Interfectum
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This is Steam without Windows.
Anything is possible, but I don't think it's likely for the same reason that Killzone and Uncharted aren't on PC; Sony aren't interested in facilitating the growth of an ecosystem they don't control or directly profit from. Long term, SteamOS clearly competes directly with the Playstation and Xbox brands if it does anything at all.
Stranger things have happened, of course. Not saying it's impossible. If Valve partners up with a huge company, however Google or Samsung seem more likely, because they don't have such directly competing business interests.
Freeman
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Great poem.
2 more announcements, so ya you can pretty much guarantee that.
I said 10+ years from now, didn't I? Nothing you say might be at all relevant then. Again, being a private company, Valve has the luxury to be in it for the LONG haul.
It's going to be super abstracted away and easy to use.
It'll be like a console OS - many of which at their core are some flavour of unix I believe
Pai Pai Master
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Yes, the streaming option that SteamOS provides. All PC/Mac games can be streamed to the SteamOS device.
Read the website guys
Marty Chinn
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XBMC will still probably be better for a HTPC usage than Steam OS. I'm sure you'll be able to run XBMC from Steam OS, but if HTPC is more of your interest, you may as well install many of the easy Linux distributions that is lightweight and boots directly into XBMC. I don't see this as a replacement for that area.
I should be clear about something. To put it simply, what I want is Windows - "The Bullcrap."
I don't want to be forced to spend 120USD every time I build a new device anymore. I don't want the OS to keep trying to sell me on buying certain software, or services, everytime I turn around. I don't want an OS that keeps trying to force me into using UI functions that I keep trying to disable.
And so on, and so forth.
Now, we really don't know anything about SteamOS yet, except that it'll support streaming Windows games. Therefore, I think it's premature both to assume it'll be simple Streaming Box, OR a full on Windows replacement.
I know which one I want of course, but we'll have to wait a few more days for full details.
I don't want to be forced to spend 120USD every time I build a new device anymore. I don't want the OS to keep trying to sell me on buying certain software, or services, everytime I turn around. I don't want an OS that keeps trying to force me into using UI functions that I keep trying to disable.
And so on, and so forth.
Now, we really don't know anything about SteamOS yet, except that it'll support streaming Windows games. Therefore, I think it's premature both to assume it'll be simple Streaming Box, OR a full on Windows replacement.
I know which one I want of course, but we'll have to wait a few more days for full details.
starwarsfan541
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It really depends, the goal is to get the most of Steams library natively running on SteamOS.
I am curious if the Sega games are running natively or not.
What about other games not running on source engine?
No hardware announcement as of yet. The up side is you could use this to stream games from your expensive PC to a small, cheap streaming dedicated piece of hardware. You could even build a small and quite HTPC and put this on it yourself if you want control over the hardware.
As someone who's gaming PC is really large, difficult to get over to my TV and loud, this is a big deal.
They're probably going to announce hardware in two days. The idea is that this OS will be gaming optimized and will be used by many different hardware venders to create livingroom machines.
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