Valve announces SteamOS
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Takamura-San
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What I want are games running native to Steam OS. Game -> SteamOS -> PC. This may be it, but I'm skeptical.
1. Drivers for all kinds of Hardware combinations.
2. Direct X.
3. The kind of support that it may get given 1 & 2.
Maybe I'm overblowing my skepticism, but unless it does that I personally have no use for this.
You thinking of this as only a replacement for people who currently play PC games.
That is leaving out a tremendous amount of potential.
This could bring in the console crowd to pc gaming by making it cheaper and easier for them.
I will easily be making/buying steam boxes for all of my family .. My nephews would love it.
I think it's more of an option if the TV you want to play on is not close. Say for example your gaming PC is upstairs but your big screen is downstairs.
Or if you have multiple TV's in the house you want to game on. The PC just acts as the hub and your streaming box(s) can go anywhere.
I am not sure if you can stream multiple games at the same time though, does it say anything about this or did I miss something?
EmCeeGramr
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Who is this piece of garbage for? I already have a phone for mobile applications, and if I want more power and a bigger screen then I have a laptop. I'm never going to buy this.
Apple is going to look like idiots.
exceptionally well? it's not for linux, it's about drivers and how the binary is written.
I am currently typing this response in to a Linux based phone on to a forum hosted on a Linux based server.
Gabe said this thing would wipe out console gaming, I expected something a little grander than the hope Microsoft explodes in the next decade.
Apple have an army of fans loyal to the Apple brand, Valve have fans who are loyal to PC gaming. They're not going to buy a device they don't need because it's pretty.
BadAss2961
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I have to agree this sentiment. I think a lot of Steam fans are a little too quick to follow Valve and think everything they touch will be a major success.
A Serious Man
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I am very excited about this. I adore Big Picture Mode, anything that gets Steam into my living room easier is very welcome.
unless it makes games that have tiny fonts playable on my tv, not really useful for me - my PC/Consoles are centrally located and distributed to any screen in my house. I know Big Picture can help with this, and its really up to developers but the problem with PC on my tv is always controlling it and the tiny fonts
OK, so you're not convinced yet because it's new. Now, why would you not dualboot in your next rig? It's free and, yes, I'm assuming it won't be a complete turd.
You'll want to test the waters first, like I mentioned above. Still not a reason to reject it. New tech will do that so it won't ever have your old library in full.
maabus1999
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Pretty much agree save a few extra points:
1 and 2 are basically the same thing now.
3 is good for streaming only since the TV won't have any hardware of course. Basically same as Samsung putting apps in to compete with roku/apple tv alternatives. Except of course you need the PC in the other room...
4. This will be SO NICHE, and most likely dual boot; unless the performance gains are huge in the long run (and stay huge).
Now, bare with me, here is a serious addition to the "steamOS"/Steambox idea:
If Valve is getting into OnLive-esque game streaming to their "steamOS" THEN this thing has a chance to take off with people who do not have steam already. The biggest issue for getting people to buy into Steam is of course having a capable PC. If Valve has found a good business plan that allows for remote game streaming, on top of streaming from local PC's, and playing local, then I see a case for mass appeal.
Krusenstern
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Linuxception.
Intheflorsh
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I don't know why people are getting so hung up over the streaming feature. It's a feature, a nice one, but not the sole reason why you'd want the steam OS.
It certainly isn't the bottleneck at least. Getting rid of X is good for a a lot of other reasons though; It does tend to break often.
angular graphics
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Nobody here does, don't let that stop you from pouring your hopes and dreams into this thread. XD
Actually The PS4's OS is based on FreeBSD 9. But FreeBSD does have a built-in Linux compatibility layer:
PS4 News - Info on the Playstation 4 Operating System - The Orbis OS Based on Free BSD 9.0
NoPiece
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It is the first step in removing the windows dependency from PC gaming. It does fragment it now, but if long term it can replace windows for gamers that's a good thing. I have a Windows PC for exactly one reason, games. I use a Mac as my work computer. I'd love to not have to pay for my gaming OS, I'd love for my gaming OS to be gaming focused. And I'm slightly bitter that Microsoft has been a poor master of PC gaming (see: GFWL, the death of microsoft Flight Sims, the refusal to port games like Halo 3 and Gears 2+, and the use of DirectX to extort OS upgrades).
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SteamOS can be run on any PC, basically, but you gotta believe Valve will have at least one "target" box made for a $299 or $399 price point. Going with their whole "open" approach, this will give gamers plenty of options still so no one can really complain.
At launch (let's say March 2014), Valve will have about a dozen "New" games ready to go, most of which will also be released on PC at the same time. A couple will likely be SteamOS exclusive. That will be their "launch" of this thing. On top of that, they will have hundreds of older games available on Steam already that supports SteamOS/Linux upon release. So that's 12 New games + hundreds of older games from big budget AAA games to smaller indie games + streaming access to your entire PC library from your office PC.
That's pretty HUGE imo.
They won't measure this by how many Steam boxes are sold per se. They will measure it by how many SteamOS iterations are installed. So 20 Millions SteamOS apps installed vs. 10 mil XB1's vs 15 mil PS4's.
"Hey Publisher/Developer, come release your multiplatform game on SteamOS as well. The royalty is less and you can reach an even wider audience. Come to me, GTA, Madden, Fifa, and JRPG's... embrace your new overlords"
Then no doubt there will be future support for Onlive type streaming, Oculus Rift, etc.
The time is right. The time is now. Valve is the right company to do this. They're about to hit a home run, folks, if they can just put on the finishing touches like I expect them to....
At launch (let's say March 2014), Valve will have about a dozen "New" games ready to go, most of which will also be released on PC at the same time. A couple will likely be SteamOS exclusive. That will be their "launch" of this thing. On top of that, they will have hundreds of older games available on Steam already that supports SteamOS/Linux upon release. So that's 12 New games + hundreds of older games from big budget AAA games to smaller indie games + streaming access to your entire PC library from your office PC.
That's pretty HUGE imo.
They won't measure this by how many Steam boxes are sold per se. They will measure it by how many SteamOS iterations are installed. So 20 Millions SteamOS apps installed vs. 10 mil XB1's vs 15 mil PS4's.
"Hey Publisher/Developer, come release your multiplatform game on SteamOS as well. The royalty is less and you can reach an even wider audience. Come to me, GTA, Madden, Fifa, and JRPG's... embrace your new overlords"
Then no doubt there will be future support for Onlive type streaming, Oculus Rift, etc.
The time is right. The time is now. Valve is the right company to do this. They're about to hit a home run, folks, if they can just put on the finishing touches like I expect them to....
A slingbox with SteamOS won't be more than $99. $49 if they want to be aggressive.
maniac-kun
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They will be less confused when they see the Steambox in 2 days.
Pretty expected, right? Given the whole steambox thing?
I have a nice desktop Windows PC and another weaker dedicated media center PC. I have far too many games to drop Windows entirely. That said, I could see myself dual-booting to SteamOS to play a new game if it runs significantly better (not just a few frames better) than in Windows. Valve will need to court big names, not just "indie" stuff, and they seem to know this. Games supported will make or break this.
Even if everything goes perfectly for Valve from here on out, though, it's hardly the end of Windows for PC gaming. That should be obvious.
I have a nice desktop Windows PC and another weaker dedicated media center PC. I have far too many games to drop Windows entirely. That said, I could see myself dual-booting to SteamOS to play a new game if it runs significantly better (not just a few frames better) than in Windows. Valve will need to court big names, not just "indie" stuff, and they seem to know this. Games supported will make or break this.
Even if everything goes perfectly for Valve from here on out, though, it's hardly the end of Windows for PC gaming. That should be obvious.
You can only make it so easy, eventually someone's going to run into a PC-related problem whether it's a driver not working or a game not working for any of a thousand possible reasons and it will remind those people why they prefer to play on a console.
Although consoles seem to be quickly eliminating that advantage themselves with how needlessly complex they're getting. But what this DOES do is provide an easy entry barrier to PC gaming. No figuring out how to build parts or taking out a mortgage to pay for a pre-built PC from one of these scummy manufacturers.
HDMI cable from PC to TV is still more viable in my house, if I really need to play my PC games on 50" in 1080p instead of the 27" in 1440p.
Ho hum. But I guess if my PC was downstairs and my big screen was upstairs, and I wanted to use my controller instead of mouse and KB, to play battlefield that way in another room.. or something. I guess.
meh
Ho hum. But I guess if my PC was downstairs and my big screen was upstairs, and I wanted to use my controller instead of mouse and KB, to play battlefield that way in another room.. or something. I guess.
meh
Heavy's Sandvich
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I tried to get Linux to work on my pc before.
I am incredibly stupid.
Didnt work for me.
I am incredibly stupid.
Didnt work for me.
walking fiend
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Android is not a community project; do people really believe Valve has even a fraction of the resources that google has for OS development?
I do not see how server operating systems are relevant to this discussion.
Marty Chinn
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What kind of hardware do you think is in these TVs? Integration into a TV only makes sense for extremely light casual games or as a streaming client box. There's potential confusion to the consumer by integrating it into a TV. I think this would be a bad idea.
suddenlyissoon
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As an older gamer I feel I can explain this one pretty well.
PC's...powerful ones...are huge and as you get to the point where you live with a spouse or significant other they don't want to see that monstrosity in the living room. Generally, you keep it in the "office" or some other room that's not your living room. I also keep a small HTPC in the living room for XBMC. This would allow me to play wherever I want, whenever I want without having to leave my living room.
jediyoshi
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Huh, the sentiment goes both ways. The ability to do it is there if you do run it on windows and stream it, otherwise it'll be on parity with consoles, nonexistent.
A streaming box would work for me (assuming that image quality is up to snuff). I like the idea of a cheap streaming box much better than the 'run a huge-ass HDMI cable downstairs and hope the wireless keyboard/mouse work through the floor/walls' alternative. Since I already have a perfectly useful gaming PC that I prefer to keep in the office and not attached to the entertainment center, streaming provides a reasonable solution.
However, if Valve is going to be successful, they're going to need to release Steamboxes that have more powerful hardware, and actually get more of their back catalog to run on SteamOS natively. That's a much longer term effort, I think.
However, if Valve is going to be successful, they're going to need to release Steamboxes that have more powerful hardware, and actually get more of their back catalog to run on SteamOS natively. That's a much longer term effort, I think.
Finally got a little time to chime in. While I love what valve is doing was hoping the OS part was bigger than the streaming. If valve can make real big moves to get devs to support linux more I'm for it. Gamers being stuck under ms especially in this area needs to go outside of xp and 7 every other os I've used for gaming was shit from them. Linux tweaks better in certain parts and with good driver support for amd and nvidia can give even more value to good hardware pc gamers buy. Windows is a bloaty lag infested pos the sooner we can make real moves for someone else to take over the happier I am.
As someone who uses a Mac as their primary PC, and therefore has a small Steam library, I'm unclear on whether this will immediately help give me access to games that I didn't previously have access to without using Bootcamp or something?
Or would I still be dependent on future games being developed for SteamOS and older games being repurposed / ported / whatever?
Or would I still be dependent on future games being developed for SteamOS and older games being repurposed / ported / whatever?
If the streaming based box more than $99, they goofed for the vast majority of steam users. Heck, if they don't hit $79, the market for this device will still be pretty small.
It seems tailored for console gamers, considering it's a living room OS. The way I see it, when it's off the ground it'll be essentially be a series of consoles running the same OS, with the openness of PC gaming (mods, upgrades etc)
Lupin the Third
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So they can just buy a Steambox and start building their own game collection, of course.
Only the people who have an existing Steam collection will have reason to be confused by what is and is not compatible.
googleplex
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You mean when I build my Gaming PC for the consumer version of the Oculus Rift next year, I may not have to bother with Windows 8? FUCK YES!
The less revenue I send Microsoft's way the better.
The less revenue I send Microsoft's way the better.
It could be that it wasn't your fault.
1. Because they claim it's more efficient than Windows and thus will run games better.
2. Because it's free and you can always dual boot or avoid upgrading Windows. Options.
3. Because it seems customized specifically around TV/living room experience unlike Windows.
Intheflorsh
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Exactly, and it sounds like that's what they're doing with 4a and Metro.
Can you explain that
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