SnakeSlashRO
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Wait wait, what about all the games that don't work on linux? Will Valve be making GPU's to support this crap?
Valve announces SteamOS
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http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamBox/
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamBox/
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All the people going 'but but but, not all the games are natively supported' are missing the fact that the number of steam games with linux support has gone from ~30 to 300 in how many months since the launch of steam for linux?
Clearly Valve has been working behind the scenes to get dev support.
Obviously they were never going to have parity with number of titles on day one, but every single day, it becomes more and more of a viable alternative to Windows. That is what is exciting.
Clearly Valve has been working behind the scenes to get dev support.
Obviously they were never going to have parity with number of titles on day one, but every single day, it becomes more and more of a viable alternative to Windows. That is what is exciting.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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That's the draw.
Windows is already perfect for gaming. I wouldn't waste any time with a linux os with my PC hardware unless there is a substantial benefit.
Prophet Steve
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They do not have this to compete with Windows or anything, they want to sell Steam, not SteamOS.
It does not have anything to do with GPUs and it is right there on the page. Windows games are supported by being able to be streamed from your computer. So no, not all games will be supported by the hardware itself. But hundreds of games already are supported.
IAmRandom31
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I think this is Valve's attempt to get developers on board in a massive way with Linux. SteamOS will be Linux based, meaning when developers build titles on SteamOS they will in essence be building titles for Linux. Get developers more familiar with OpenGL and the like, something other then DirectX and you are paving the way for developers everywhere to begin working outside of the Microsoft controlled PC space.
I hope they succeed, I truly do. I hope this blows up and becomes a massively popular product. I hope developers embrace this opportunity and use it for what it really is. This would be the last nail in the coffin for Microsoft in the gaming landscape. They would lose, really, the last advantage to the Windows home platform, gaming. You think I use Windows 7 because it is what I want to use? Nope. I would much prefer to use Ubuntu ( which I am doing now to write this actually ), but I am forced to switch over to Windows whenever I want to play games.
Get that obstacle out of the way, and there will be no more reason for me to dual boot over to Windows 7. I would instead use solely LinuxOS. It is much faster, much more secure, much more control, much more customizable, way less memory intensive on my PC, less overhead on the games, etc.
We'll see what happens. But I am rooting for Valve. Indeed I am.
I hope they succeed, I truly do. I hope this blows up and becomes a massively popular product. I hope developers embrace this opportunity and use it for what it really is. This would be the last nail in the coffin for Microsoft in the gaming landscape. They would lose, really, the last advantage to the Windows home platform, gaming. You think I use Windows 7 because it is what I want to use? Nope. I would much prefer to use Ubuntu ( which I am doing now to write this actually ), but I am forced to switch over to Windows whenever I want to play games.
Get that obstacle out of the way, and there will be no more reason for me to dual boot over to Windows 7. I would instead use solely LinuxOS. It is much faster, much more secure, much more control, much more customizable, way less memory intensive on my PC, less overhead on the games, etc.
We'll see what happens. But I am rooting for Valve. Indeed I am.
Syphon Filter
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So the os will be desktop friendly too? They make it seem like its only controller friendly.
The Cowboy
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Nope, you can use (or build) a Windows PC to stream them to the SteamOS. - or hope games you really want on it get SteamOS support
Arkage
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Big news I guess.... but I'm simply not interested. Linux does nothing for me, and won't do much for gamers in general, which is what this OS is. Why build a rig to run this if all it's really going to do is stream your library from another computer running the actual game on Windows? Why buy a Steambox if the vast majority of the games aren't even going to be able to run on it?
Meh.
Meh.
What if, hypothetically, compatible games ran faster on the same hardware? Let's be generous and say 30% better overall performance.
angular graphics
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I think you'll find soon enough they are in partnership actually.
Anyone who would rely just on a new OS is crazy. You can partition your drive and jump between two OS's.
cookie-monster
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Saves me buying an underpowered console and being lumped with it for 6+ years I guess.
Graphics Horse
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That controller looks shit.
Not being able to play games is what was keeping a lot of the hardcore, build-your-own-PC types away from Linux. Right now it doesn't make sense to uninstall Windows for SteamOS, but if they get to the point where most new PC games get a SteamOS version it could look pretty good.
toddhunter
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It does the job, but a focused gaming OS could certainly show improvements and require lower hardware specs.
And that is right now. You need to take a long term view with this and consider just what windows 9 will be. Even the xbox is moving away from playing games.
Having said that, a competitive respons from Microsoft is very easy given their market position. That is also why this is a great thing for gamers.
Prophet Steve
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Maybe, it is not really meant for that and there is no information on that regard.
I doubt you are the target audience when you are talking about building a rig, this is for the people that do not build their own rigs. And they are working on getting more games to run on it, it already seems like a fairly viable platform on its own.
The Cowboy
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If they could get a 30% boost on all games at all performance levels, once enough games I wanted where available I'd switch/dual boot (at the lowest I would accept that's the difference between 45fps and 60fps).
If it was say only 10% I wouldn't bother as the inconvenience wouldn't be worth the gain, this is key for me with SteamOS - the inconvenience of having the OS installed (say dual booting) must be offset by a good performance increase.
They're also quick to forget that PS4 and XB1 don't have any retrocompatibility at all. Somehow Microsoft and Sony get a pass with "who wants to play old games when new games are coming?" while all valve gets is "oh no, how will I play my old games??"
This SteamOS and (still hypothetical) SteamBox wont be out tomorrow and Valve has explicitely stated they were working with developers to bring next gen games to their new gaming platform: "as they target SteamOS for their new releases" right there in the SteamOS webpage.
Besides, you'll have full retrocompatibility through streaming anyway, why do you complain.
SnakeSlashRO
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Why not cut out the middle man? I mean I have no idea cause my PC is in an office, steaming to a TV could be fun I guess.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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That's a good example, but even then, 60 fps on a full featured, proven Windows OS or 78 fps (that would be meaningless) on SteamOS... I'd still pay for Windows.
When I say replace Windows, I don't just mean for gaming.
Coulomb_Barrier
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I love what gaming goodness I have been able to enjoy through Windows for what is now approaching 20 years. But Windows is a relic of the past in this day and age and it is dying.
I welcome this from Valve. Especially the benefits to speed and bang for your buck with regards to graphics. One of the biggest issues with Windows as a gaming platform is that it is ridiculously bloated but we don't see this as excessive as most don't know any better.
I welcome this from Valve. Especially the benefits to speed and bang for your buck with regards to graphics. One of the biggest issues with Windows as a gaming platform is that it is ridiculously bloated but we don't see this as excessive as most don't know any better.
Yeah but it comes with a cat.
angular graphics
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The OS is meant for living room PCs. There's no reason to believe one would use their living room PC to type word documents on the HDTV. Therefore I assume the main interface will be controller friendly.
Of course probably one can probably go "behind the scenes" and launch whatever he wants or tweak it however be wants and use it as a desktop OS but that's not the reason behind its creation.
Syphon Filter
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Yea then i am not interested. The client needs an overhaul and they haven't done anything in years for that.
Another way of looking at the 30% is that you can buy cheaper hardware if you use the SteamOS than if you use windows and get identical performance.
toddhunter
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But you still have to pay for the hardware to achieve 60fps. It is obviously not linear, but paying 30% less for that is a good thing.
Windows has plenty of issues if you go looking for them. Me being on linux I could easily fix 3 issues ms hasn't for me in 3 major OS updates hasn't. Altering a few settings or having certain things done right so it's not an issue would be a huge change for me than putting up with this part of windows cause I have to use it. Also what is substantial, I can get percentages but words that don't have precision in this instance don't really tell me much.
Syphon Filter
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Yea, big picture seems like a waste then.
It's pretty likely SteamOS will be based on Ubuntu.
Schweinehund
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Why not?
Valve has always been about providing incentives. There were tons of naysayers of digital distribution with how bad internet connections were the early 2000's.
If they can prove that their OS provides a performance upgrade and also put exclusive content or additional services I think most people wouldn't be reluctant to install a gaming dedicated OS.
MrCunningham
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I think the idea with SteamOS is just to transform your PC into a console. It's a very forward thinking move. With integrated GPUs getting much better you can already buy a cheap prebuilt that runs most games, not at max settings granted but will run them. I think by the time PS5 comes out, Sony might even do a similar thing -- PS4 is already using mostly off the shelf parts. Valve was ahead of the pack with Steam, wouldn't be surprised if they are with this too.
I doubt this is just targeted at people who build rigs. This will be for OEMs or smaller companies to create living room gaming hubs.
From the blurb they sound like they are customising the kernel and windowing stack to get more gaming oomph out of it.
The L4D crew did have a blog were they mentioned big performance increases over windows when they were developing the Steam client for linux. They used L4D as a test, I'd guess that this is where this OS idea came from.
It's good news for me.
From the blurb they sound like they are customising the kernel and windowing stack to get more gaming oomph out of it.
The L4D crew did have a blog were they mentioned big performance increases over windows when they were developing the Steam client for linux. They used L4D as a test, I'd guess that this is where this OS idea came from.
It's good news for me.
That really depends on the individual. Web apps can or already have replaced a fairly large portion of what I need Windows for.
Self_Destructive
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This is so accurate. People here really don't understand this when they keep banging on about "why are people so stupid, why doesn't everyone game on PCs". It will never have the mainstream appeal of a console.
EDIT: And yes I'm a PC gamer by the way, I made my new small form factor build a week or two back.
I think it's the URL with the word, "Steambox," in it, that you should be paying attention to.
As opposed to Steam Os drivers, or any OS drivers, and whatever API is inbetween (OpenGL, DirectX Wrapper, some 2D compositor)
Like?
Those is all stuff that the user started or uses.
The difference would be miniscule
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