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Greg Coomer, I suppose.
Valve announces SteamOS
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Greg Coomer, I suppose.
IAmRandom31
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Hes that dude in Full House .......
dunno his name ... just that dude from .. yeah that show Full House.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I don't understand what you're proposing. You're proposing hardware that is today's PS4 hardware, runs PS4 games, also runs Linux games, also runs Steam, also receives streamed games from PC using Valve's tech (which Valve would license to Sony because...?), runs Steam as an OS, also runs Sony's stuff as an OS, none of the games on it can be run on anything else so Sony doesn't lose any income, and the only store on the platform is Sony's so they don't lose any of their share of third-party software sales?
Yes, I guess it's hypothetically possible that Sony could make a Lazarus Ascended Up To Heaven On The Back Of A Unicorn hardware box. But they're not going to.
OK, don't. No one asked you to. Valve isn't asking you to. That's not the point of this OS. It's not about you ditching Windows for SteamOS. That doesn't benefit Valve. They don't care what OS you run. Things are much easier to understand when you try to understand them than when you scream really loudly about how you don't understand them.
Do you have fears about not being able to play your PS3 games on your PS4?
You're not wasting hard drive space. You're wiping it out entirely.
Michael Sartian is regularly submitting patches and comments to the LLDB mailing list. I think Valve is taking the necessary steps to turn this into an extremely appealing platform to develop for.
graywolf323
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http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/halo4/
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/thelastofus/
more like no matter what you put after livingroom/ it goes to that site
I don't think you understanding Stump's point. The question is this: why isn't Sony putting Uncharted on PC? The explanation for that is the exact same explanation for why they won't allow SteamOS to set up shop inside their walled garden.
You're explicitly wishfully thinking. "Imagine how amazing a Valve/Nintendo console would be, it would be awesome!!!!" Think through the economics here.
Kamakazie!
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Valve did....
I want to wash his t-shirt lol
John Steamos
Not to budge in, but i think they should (on top of the PS3 release). There's no doubt they would have made more money that way. The absence of PC versions for Sony's games (or any other platform holder for that matter) is rooted in the concept that these exclusives give the the console its prestige and are the impetus of someone buying them.
And they do -- for people who are interested in getting a console. In my mind most of the userbase and the intended userbase for a console would want to get one for those things that make a console what is in compared to a PC. The game existing on PC is much less likely to be a factor in their decision. The direct competitor of the PS3 is the 360. The platform holders will make by offering their exclusives on PC is greater than the money you would calculate being lost by people who are in the market for a console suddenly buying a gaming PC because the game is available there.
SergioDaly
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Still dependent on a Windows machine... not what i was hopping for...
would be great to be standalone, and work as a bootable in the main machine, sided by a full linux OS for general usage. <insert image of crushed dream>
Syphon Filter
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Don't forget 3 people in the picture ; )
So let me try and grasp this. Will this SteamOS effectively be an Android type 'free for all' OS that will allow people to use the infrastructure already in place with Steam for their own boxes?
Whenever I think of this it always reminds me of what Philips were trying to achieve with the CD-I (the only non Nintendo system to have a Mario game IIRC) where various OEM could license the tech and produce their own boxes.
So I suppose what I'm asking is could we find the market flooded with various Steamboxes from everyone from Alienware to obscure Chinese manufacturers of varying specs and price?
Bear and salmon are on the phone for you. They do not sound happy.
Whenever I think of this it always reminds me of what Philips were trying to achieve with the CD-I (the only non Nintendo system to have a Mario game IIRC) where various OEM could license the tech and produce their own boxes.
So I suppose what I'm asking is could we find the market flooded with various Steamboxes from everyone from Alienware to obscure Chinese manufacturers of varying specs and price?
Bear and salmon are on the phone for you. They do not sound happy.
Vestal
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Unless they are able to get most of the future big releases to work on steamos I just don't see this succeeding as some here hope.
Game streaming is a pipe dream. What I mean is you would be asking users to upgrade 2 machines not just 1 to be able to play the latest and greatest at full resolution and detail. If not then its dual OS boot, but then why bother if you can play everything on the windows partition??
for those that don't know, streaming means it is doing all calculations on the host windows machine.
Game streaming is a pipe dream. What I mean is you would be asking users to upgrade 2 machines not just 1 to be able to play the latest and greatest at full resolution and detail. If not then its dual OS boot, but then why bother if you can play everything on the windows partition??
for those that don't know, streaming means it is doing all calculations on the host windows machine.
Which is exactly why this is horrible IMO.
Hah!
IAmRandom31
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lol
Does Sony make money off third party software? Or do they make their money back on First Party software? If Valve and Sony joined forces, I'm sure they could work up a contractual understanding with one another as to not step on each others own business toes.
What happens then if Sony and Valve join forces, and then Sony announces Rift support? HOW AWESOME OF A MACHINE WOULD THAT BE! It is like the PS4 is the SSJ. PS4 + Valve + Steam ( if Sony and Valve got together, Half Life 3 PS4/Steam exclusive? )+ Rift???? I MEAN COME ON! SSJ4!
lol..
your right though, won't happen ..... I think ....
PRAISE GABEN
Seriously though, I always had a suspicion this would happen....but even so I am excited as fuck.
Seriously though, I always had a suspicion this would happen....but even so I am excited as fuck.
I don't like the idea they are Ubuntu based.
I hope they are at least not planing to support fucking mir.
angular graphics
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Umm.. ok. That's like saying Gabe sounds like "cave" or something. Maybe I don't get the joke. Is it just that it sounds somewhat similar? *_*
There are a few apps I'd have misgivings about replacing with a lesser Linux equivalent, and all kinds of legacy games/GOG/gamersgate titles that work perfectly fine. When SteamOS can get those two major obstacles out of my way (without requiring a Windows PC to stream from), I'd make the jump.
Until then, I'll stick with Windows and Steam as an application.
Hopefully the last announcement involves an MIT grad messiah.
You need the old machine for "retrocompatibility". Just like you need a PS3 next to your PS4 to play your old PS3 games. You'll need a Windows computer next to your Steambox to play your old Windows games. Except "next to" means as far away as your local network allows it. Which is very cool.
IAmRandom31
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Oh sorry, did not explain that well enough.
Sony's first party titles would still be exclusive to the PS4 platform. The Streaming would not go both ways ( unless Valve said that is the only way ). The PS4 would be the main device to use as a Steambox of sorts. The machine would be able to play any SteamOS game, and any Playstation product game. The flip side would not be true, games like Uncharted would not appear on Steam. As I said, unless Valve said the deal is off unless Playstation games are then available on Steam also.
It would benefit Valve though I think to integrate this OS into a home console. It would open the PC gaming world up to tens of millions of people who may not actually be PC gamers.
Your right, it is purely wishful thinking. But Valve HAD to have built an OS instead of a Box for some specific reason. The fact that this is an OS means it can be put inside anything. Which was probably their thinking. Instead of going to war with the console space which controls the TV landscape, instead try and join them ... and in the same instance integrate PC gaming into the living room.
Vague but interesting.
Questions abound though. Like what means for games that don't use Steam infrastructure, like the battlenet, origin and uplay games. Will they be relegated to streaming only?
The media stuff. Will steamOS allow for apps so I could have say a plex client for SteamOS?
Interesting though in the wake of the vita streaming ps4 demo and vitatv.
Questions abound though. Like what means for games that don't use Steam infrastructure, like the battlenet, origin and uplay games. Will they be relegated to streaming only?
The media stuff. Will steamOS allow for apps so I could have say a plex client for SteamOS?
Interesting though in the wake of the vita streaming ps4 demo and vitatv.
Vestal
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you will still need to upgrade that windows machine to make native windows games run at max spec.
Minsc
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I hope they handle OS updates more gracefully than windows.
It's linux based, so you never need to restart to update stuff right?
I want to see both the OS (software + drivers) and the Steam client on the OS able to update themselves without the need to prompt for an update or restart. Also a really incredible standby/hibernation mode, with instant resuming.
It's linux based, so you never need to restart to update stuff right?
I want to see both the OS (software + drivers) and the Steam client on the OS able to update themselves without the need to prompt for an update or restart. Also a really incredible standby/hibernation mode, with instant resuming.
IchigoSharingan
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half life3
toddhunter
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The crucial part is a linux port, not steamworks. Of course you might expect that uplay and origin type games will not be getting one, at least not initially.
Valve are not really making an OS, but their own flavour. The limiting factor again will be a linux version but also practically controlling such apps with a controller.
No software announcements this week.
Chairmanchuck
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I would guess the streaming is like a bridge at first between windows-gaming and SteamOS-Gaming.
They cant just directly offer full SteamOS-Support, thats why Streaming is the first important step.
GTAV hype!
Uh, Sony is putting Uncharted on PC, last I checked.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=684513
Sure, it's through a streaming service, but Uncharted will most likely be playable on PCs within a year or two.
And Valve has a streaming app too, apparently. I could almost see them exchanging game streaming apps. That'd be fun. Not that Sony needs Valve's help to get a game streaming app on the PC, but hey.
Vestal
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Linux still needs to restart for some updates. Windows 8 handles updates pretty well imo but still needs restart for some updates as well.
If Valve plays it well, most major AAA release will be multiplatform so won't need to upgrade your old Windows computer, just the Steambox. And given its most likely they will standardise hardware into relevant cycles or "grades" (good, better, best, as per Gabe) it will be easier for the devs to optimise code and make their game run better than on Windows anyway.
But all this is wishful thinking obviously.
ElectricKaibutsu
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I'll have to wait until more games can be played natively on this. Let's hope this gets support.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Last I checked Linux only has to restart for Kernel updates, which aren't that frequent.
Restarting for other things may be recommended, but I don't think is absolutely necessary.
CrudeDiatribe
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Mostly just for kernel updates that you want to take advantage of. EDIT: damnit.
Am pretty excited at this. Hope we get some racing titles announced for this.
IAmRandom31
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Uh, Sony is putting Uncharted on PC, last I checked.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=684513
Sure, it's through a streaming service, but Uncharted will most likely be playable on PCs within a year or two.
And Valve has a streaming app too, apparently. I could almost see them exchanging game streaming apps. That'd be fun. Not that Sony needs Valve's help to get a game streaming app on the PC, but hey.
Aha! See it is in Sony's mind too!
Valve wants to integrate PC gaming into the living room ...
Sony wants to integrate the Playstation platform into the PC ...
They marry together, combine technologies, share exclusives, and voila .. you have a PlaySteam machine that is capable of the whole package .. including awesome streaming software.
Play PC games on the Vita! COME ON! lol. The touch screen could act as the mouse for games like Rome Total War 2.
A man can dream right? haha. Not being totally serious here of course, it is beyond a long shot, but would be cool ya know. I'll take this awesome OS from Steam as is though and will enjoy SteamOS on my 40" LED 1080p HDTV that is for sure.
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