TouchMyBox
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SteamOS is a forward-thinking endeavour rather than an overnight revolution. if Microsoft stays on the road to crazy town, then SteamOS will be there for you.
Valve announces SteamOS
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SteamOS is a forward-thinking endeavour rather than an overnight revolution. if Microsoft stays on the road to crazy town, then SteamOS will be there for you.
The native library has already grown into the triple digits in a matter of months. That's already an impressive library compared to any console, especially the coming next-gen consoles. If Valve truly has gone into agreements with AAA game publishers then it'll grow a lot more in 2014.
hardcastlemccormick
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1) We don't know where that 10% gain came from so just blindly saying "port over those gains" is foolish.
2) Linux can be configured to run custom display managers to run full desktops on machines as weak as a Raspberry Pi, with little knowledge. Windows is designed to do everything (and has the footprint to prove it), whereas something like SteamOS can be made to do just one thing really well.
Syphon Filter
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Yea but what about desktop users?
Vestal
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So hold on, you are saying the modified the Linux stack to run a source engine game? So that is what they are doing? Hmm what happens to non source engine games? If you are actually inferring that they have some Secret sauce that makes all OPENGL games run better, that they have a better coder than John Carmack over there, I have an bridge to sell you.
Hmm lets see.. With a browser open and FF XIV running in the background.. 12% CPU, 19% memory.. OMG YEAH WHAT A RESOURCE HOG!!
And it's a loss for both Valve and PC gamers, which far outnumber Mac and Linux gamers. Valve would be stupid to this.
MaximoffZero
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There's been a lot of posts on this thread suggesting that Valve make either Half-Life 3 or some other hotly-anticipated game exclusive to Steam OS. On the surface, it sounds like a smart way to drive people to the platform, but at the same time it goes against everything Valve is trying to accomplish with this. In Gabe's speech at the Linux convention he blatantly denounced companies who try to keep their content off competitor's platforms.
Spazznid
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I see a lot of people arguing in a certain way.
Kind of like saying, "Why would I get a Next Gen console if my current gen console already plays all of my games?"
Not EXACTLY, but seriously. If SteamOS came out of the box playing all windows, mac and linux games problem free, then we'd be more afraid of them than awed. The fact is that Valve has set in motion their plans to take over the living room, in a metaphorical sense. This is big. Not immediately, but considering Gabe's previous endeavors, this is really big news.
Kind of like saying, "Why would I get a Next Gen console if my current gen console already plays all of my games?"
Not EXACTLY, but seriously. If SteamOS came out of the box playing all windows, mac and linux games problem free, then we'd be more afraid of them than awed. The fact is that Valve has set in motion their plans to take over the living room, in a metaphorical sense. This is big. Not immediately, but considering Gabe's previous endeavors, this is really big news.
IAmRandom31
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What do you use your desktop for?
Just asking, serious question.
Hmmm .. I don't think this would happen at all. This could scare Microsoft a ton, considering people will be able to simply stream Titanfall to their living room TV via their Steam Box and play it with maxxed out ultra PC settings along with most other MS games that are also on the PC, but on the Sony end ... don't think this could replace the PS4. The PS4 has too many first party exclusives that people hate to miss, it has too many cool functionality perks and well ... its a Playstation. I mean come on, the PS3 was an utter disaster for what, nearly 3 or 4 years and look at it now. Easily the best console of this generation game wise.
I will have my Steam Box sitting happily next to my PS4 come next year, or whenever it releases. I am going to LOVE THIS upcoming generation. Playing my PS4 games at work / at starbucks / anywhere else via my Vita, and then come home to either play my PS4 or play my PC games on my living room TV, taking up about as much space as a HD-DVR ( or the Xbox One ) with those 2 combined. The future is going to be grand.
Summary of the last couple of pages of this thread:
"Only 20-25% of the games I currently own already support the feature that was just announced today!"
"Why would I ever buy something that can only support 20-25% of the games I already own?"
Special Bonus to the above:
"Why would I get this over a PS4/XBOne?"
As the owner of one 780 in my office and a weaker HTPC in my media room (separated by 50 feet of hallway and stairs and one Cat6 cable), the streaming component of this sounds fantastic to me. I'm no latency whore, so I am betting I won't even notice it, but I bet I will notice the super nice graphics on my relatively weak HTPC set up.
"Only 20-25% of the games I currently own already support the feature that was just announced today!"
"Why would I ever buy something that can only support 20-25% of the games I already own?"
Special Bonus to the above:
"Why would I get this over a PS4/XBOne?"
As the owner of one 780 in my office and a weaker HTPC in my media room (separated by 50 feet of hallway and stairs and one Cat6 cable), the streaming component of this sounds fantastic to me. I'm no latency whore, so I am betting I won't even notice it, but I bet I will notice the super nice graphics on my relatively weak HTPC set up.
Syphon Filter
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Next two announcements are wed and fri?
I like the idea of this.
No windows overhead bloat, an OS purely for gaming.
If steamos can run games faster than windows would on the same hardware.. could be the future.
Backwards compatibility with old Windows only games is no different from ps4 not playing ps1,2 or 3 games.
No windows overhead bloat, an OS purely for gaming.
If steamos can run games faster than windows would on the same hardware.. could be the future.
Backwards compatibility with old Windows only games is no different from ps4 not playing ps1,2 or 3 games.
Desktop users will still reap the benefits of the hardware. I'm very much looking to buy a modular biometric controller, hoping it's in the cards.
So run Steam under Ubuntu/insert your flavor of Linux etc
VicDaMoan03
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You were expecting sony and Nintendo to make an OS for PCs? Microsoft has windows!
Syphon Filter
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Mainly steam client and web surfing.
TouchMyBox
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I would be surprised if SteamOS doesn't become a decent desktop OS once it matures.
Obviously their focus right now if for it to be a TV-based OS, since that's the new territory they're trying to capture.
1. No, Valve ported the Source engine to Linux, though they did also allude to working on tools that would make it easier for anyone to port any game.
2. We're not necessarily talking about performance improvements as some kind of secret sauce OS feature, but through working with AMD and Nvidia to improve driver support for Linux. The performance gains come from the fact that OpenGL is faster than DirectX.
hardcastlemccormick
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Linux Mint or whatever random popular Linux desktop of the day happens to be. Or learn a bit more and install Debian or something. Those distros will benefit from the work Valve is doing as well.
Not insignificant for weaker machines. Unless you're implying that every machine only uses 12% CPU to run Final Fantasy XIV.
Syphon Filter
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If this is the case, then that is fine.
Not true. If you can't play Windows only games Steam O/S will never get off the ground. No dev is gonna start developing to a limited O/S like Linux unless they can get the sales they currently get on Windows.
Vestal
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Umm well you know this is PC Gaming, not console gaming.
PC Gamers expect to run 10+ year old games on their machines without a HITCH.
let me first say that this has nothing to do with steam OS.. its not replacing windows.. Im just proving a point for windows bloat.
cpu resource percentage does not matter when there is multiple procs waiting in line.
here a little experiment for you if you have 2 hdds.
make 2 folders .. in one folder put 1 huge file.. like video around 500 megs or so.
in folder 2 put 1500 1k txt files.
now transfer them to the other hdd
it will take much much longer for the folder with the text files to transfer than the much larger single file even though they take up next to nothing in resources.
same thing happens with your CPU is queuing up processes.
windows it built off of old systems files layered with new files each rendition. os bloat has been a problem for a long time now.
Yeah. I just hope they save the best for last on Friday. Whatever the hell it is.
Syphon Filter
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Yea backward compatibility is very important to me. Its one of the main reasons i like PC gaming. Steam os only will not play older titles.
They've worked with the graphics card makers and (from what I know) submitted patches upstream to be incorporated into Ubuntu / Linux that improved performance.
Way too early to be excited. Or horrified. Or whatever.
Honestly, the only thing I really want is to use my TV as an output for my PC, while using a controller as an input device for the game... all from clear across the house. Best of both worlds, my PC can already play these games in kick-ass mode.
Honestly, the only thing I really want is to use my TV as an output for my PC, while using a controller as an input device for the game... all from clear across the house. Best of both worlds, my PC can already play these games in kick-ass mode.
hardcastlemccormick
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Why would anybody move off of DOS? That's where all of our software is!
Syphon Filter
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Dam you guys hate windows way too much lol.
There is no garuntee it will play the newer titles. Unless Valve can show the sales are there this likely will just be a flash in the pan and go away.
Don't hurt yourself with all that reaching.
hardcastlemccormick
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I don't hate Windows.
However, listing dumb use-cases where SteamOS isn't useful doesn't do us much good.
Obviously Steam was the same way. It sucked, and it could have turned into nothing, but then it stopped sucking. I would anticipate that Valve has a plan and support for this or they wouldn't be doing it. They have a track record of being smart.
Post something of worth or get out.
Of course, the "all hardware is the same" and "ease of use" benefit of consoles will make it a long time until consoles disappear if ever.
Nah, we just don't shut down a new platform for the sole purpose of "but this is how it is now". That's not how technology works, and especially not video games.
Name 3 things Valve have done in the past 5 years that have been a flash in the pan.
Isn't that essentially what the PS3 OS is?
I read OP again and again and I still don't get the point of this.
Nvidia has their built in hardware decoder to make their shield player workable. Sony has dedicated hardware for this on both vita and PS4.
Steam on the other hand have to deal with multiple different hardwares. How are they gonna handle this? Are they going to make different drivers for each hardware?
For PC master race, this stuff is guaranteed to suck when playing FPS game, too. I really don't see the point.
Nvidia has their built in hardware decoder to make their shield player workable. Sony has dedicated hardware for this on both vita and PS4.
Steam on the other hand have to deal with multiple different hardwares. How are they gonna handle this? Are they going to make different drivers for each hardware?
For PC master race, this stuff is guaranteed to suck when playing FPS game, too. I really don't see the point.
Arkage
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The proliferation of x86 will be down considerably in the consumer environment over the next 5 years.
SteamOS is the first step towards ARM/OGL compatibility
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You can always dualboot on any of the Steambox models to get that 100% compatibility.
This graph is hilarious. 0%, then 1%, then 10%, then 100%, all equally divided so it looks like there are actual significant gains being made in linux when in actuality it's 1.2%
Mostly built upon the hard work already done by Yellow Dog Linux and they also only had to support a single hardware spec.
Having to support multiple potential hardware configurations is where the manpower needed comes in.
hardcastlemccormick
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Wait, PS3's OS is built on a Linux core? Really?
I trust them more than Canonical's recent bullshit.
Google for log scale.
ImpassionateGods
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So if I buy a game on Steam that's too powerful for my terrible PC to run will it work through this on my tv? Or is it still tied to the PC's performance? I really don't understand technology or even what Linux is.
If you are "streaming" the game to your TV using Steam then the performance is directly related to your PC, and more than likely the streaming will cost additional resources.
You will only lose performance streaming to the SteamBox.
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