You're 100 percent right. That was a mistake on my part. I'm wondering if there's a reason she wants it taken down, though. Perhaps she knows a misunderstanding may have occurred?
Transgender journalist at EG Expo called "this person" on stage at MS event (See OP)
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You're 100 percent right. That was a mistake on my part. I'm wondering if there's a reason she wants it taken down, though. Perhaps she knows a misunderstanding may have occurred?
Thunder Monkey
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I don't see the issue of charlequin's reasoning.
Just because false accusations do happen does not mean we should have a wary eye at the accuser. And I still don't see what rape or assault allegations have to do with this topic in particular. Allegations of gender insensitivity will not hold the same repercussions for the comedian. Therefore not relevant.
JustProgress
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So? Like I said he's reporting the news. She posted all this shit on Twitter, and all the guy did was put it all in one post. It's not good reporting, but its literally just a collection of what both sides have side.
Don't forget about gender-neutral names though.
krypt0nian
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You're probably right. Look at how FartofWar treats it and he's press too. Doesn't matter if she tweeted to only her 200 followers, and is now in distress.
Gotta get dem hits!
Look into Trans issues historically then tell me who is usually at fault. Occam's Razor. Comedian figures there is no video evidence then pulls a He Said She said. In the gamer community its a sure bet He gets believed.
Because Kotaku is the TMZ of video gaming. They don't have ethics and need more people to stand up to them to get them to stop.
partyphone
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They don't want to take it down because it's generating a lot of traffic.
But it's also generating a lot of personal attacks and hatred: https://twitter.com/JimmyRuss0
Maybe they should run a story publicly shaming these assholes.
Nice, very subtle.
adamantypants
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What we have here is a good old fashioned blame storm. Is there really any other way to settle things?
lastflowers
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Wow at those tweets.
Gender neutral names don't bother me. If you tell me your name is "Tracy", I'm going to call you that. If your sex is ambiguous to me, I'll wait until it becomes an issue before I ask, otherwise I don't see a reason to bring it up. I once made the mistake of asking a woman I thought was pregnant when she was due. I'll never do that again.
BronsonLee
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I like how Owen is willing to stand by the journalistic integrity of posting two people's Twitter feeds, then not waiting to get comments from them before posting the story. I'm sure both will appreciate that, especially the extra harassment they'll both surely endure.
I NEED THE HITS GUYS
I NEED THE HITS GUYS
Some people on here seem to be acting willfully naive. Every post of hers was on a public forum, ie Twitter, with the intent of people seeing it. She may theoretically not have wanted sites to pick up the story, but it isn't out of line for them to do so. If her intent was to publicly shame the accused and her comments about him were completely accurate and honest, she shouldn't have anything to worry about. If she is lying and she was never called "it," etc then it's fairly offensive if all of this stemmed out of "this person" IMO.
BluePigGanon
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The fact that Kotaku loves to post pandering clickbait really isn't the point. The point it: once you've decided to put yourself out there, you can't opt out of the attention you get as a result.
The Librarian
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Maybe she shouldn't have gone public with this if she wasn't sure she wanted other sites to report on this, but I don't think that gives Kotaku the right to keep the story up after she's asked them to take it down.
Maybe she made a mistake going public on the incident, and asking Kotaku to take down the story is part of realizing this mistake.
kiunchbb
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I know right, she never expected the 200 follower to retweet her comment and letting the whole world including the press heard about this. Damn those followers.
If we think Kotaku should delete the story, someone might as well delete this entire thread to hide the news.
Yeah, I sympathise but there's kind of a lesson about social media here- it's not private, and if you are just looking for sympathy from your friends, twitter makes it very easy for them to go in to bat on your behalf with a single mouse click with all the righteous fury that friends are good for, inviting all the trolls in the world to the party and a big old flamefest and kinda missing the point if all you wanted was a bit of private reassurance.
krypt0nian
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Congrats, Owen. Hope your hits are worth it.
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Who cares about some asshole kid with 4 followers trying to get hits through being a dick? Why would you even link that guy :/ Would get those guys way more publicity than they will ever deserve.
They should, but ultimately, that's what they want. Some Fox News Glenn Beck WannaBe Motherfuckers, getting off on the fact that people they're making people miserable.
JustProgress
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Meh, not exactly how reporting works. She is a journalist after all.
"GAF as a whole indirectly hates Transgender people for reasons i can't explain"
I agree.
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But that's not tru...ooooooooh!
NoMoreTrolls
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There are dicks on twitter. And next up, water is wet! More at eleven.
maplelord93
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this is just comical now
Moreover, that was a twitter account specifically made to troll someone. Reporting on it, specifically, is a win for that account owner.
Mr.Wreckless
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Starting to question how much of a "journalist" this person is. She is really surprised that a story she made public against a huge corporation is attracting a lot of attention?
ChiliManiac
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Some Queers actually prefer to be called "it" as it denominates no gender association. The only reason this is going out of proportion is because people don't understand. My American Studies professor is Queer, "it" uses dresses dresses and doesn't mind it. Oh and prefers to be called Queer
hey_it's_that_dog
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You can't wipe the public record nor can you dictate what others do with it. No matter who you are or what you identify as.
Let me clarify: if it comes out that she 100% lied about all of this, then I would have no problem with a lawsuit, because that would show intent on her part to intentionally try to damage him and his reputation without just cause.
I have yet to see reason to believe that's her intent here, though. I know he's saying he didn't say something offensive, but it's very easy for people to say things that don't register with them because they thought nothing of the comment, but which would register with someone else.
Of course, someone in this thread said they were there and didn't hear it the way Laura did. So, maybe she thought she heard something that wasn't said. Or maybe that person, as well, didn't pick up on something that she did. Until/unless a video of the event comes out, figuring out what exactly happened is going to be tough.
They don't need permission at all to write about something on twitter, that's not what's being argued, it's that they claim they had permission from her to print as a courtesy, she claims they didn't. Nothing legal there, just professional courtesy.
BronsonLee
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Can I go out on a limb and say that Kotaku basically rushed out the article without bothering to get any comments from both of them?
Pretty sure that's why Polygon is sitting on it. You'd never see SCOOPS pull this shit.
Step up your game, Owen. Scherier owns your face
Pretty sure that's why Polygon is sitting on it. You'd never see SCOOPS pull this shit.
Step up your game, Owen. Scherier owns your face
I wouldn't use that as an example of legitimate hate. It's obviously someone from 4chan pouring gasoline on the fire for the sake of a reaction. His name should've tipped you off. Jimmy Russ = rustled jimmies.
Data Ghost
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I just showed my girlfriend this story and the pictures of Laura. She also agree'd that it looked like a man and commented that "she isn't even wearing any makeup" and "is that how her hair is all the time or is it fancy dress?".
No matter how sure you are that you are a woman on the inside, it's always going to be tough when you look like a man on the outside and people, understandably so, will make that mistake.
No matter how sure you are that you are a woman on the inside, it's always going to be tough when you look like a man on the outside and people, understandably so, will make that mistake.
Can I go out on a limb and say that Kotaku basically rushed out the article without bothering to get any comments from both of them?
Pretty sure that's why Polygon is sitting on it. You'd never see SCOOPS pull this shit.
Step up your game, Owen. Scherier owns your face
True, and that's fine. But not everyone is Scoops. In fact, it's the opposite, you should expect most members of the press to be absolutely itchin' for that next story. And this is a big, fat, juicy one.
Can I go out on a limb and say that Kotaku basically rushed out the article without bothering to get any comments from both of them?
Pretty sure that's why Polygon is sitting on it. You'd never see SCOOPS pull this shit.
Step up your game, Owen. Scherier owns your face
Who is this Scoops at Polygon? Thought that was solely Patrick Klepek's nickname.
TimeEffect
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I dont see how this puts the shift on Kotaku to take the story down. I mean, by that logic, can't anyone ask a story to be taken down that they are negatively/controversially starred in? Seems fair to keep it up, considering the circumstances and how this story was brought to attention anyway
Exactly. There's no suit here unless she acted with malicious intent. Hopefully, that angle can be dropped now.
Can I go out on a limb and say that Kotaku basically rushed out the article without bothering to get any comments from both of them?
Pretty sure that's why Polygon is sitting on it. You'd never see SCOOPS pull this shit.
Step up your game, Owen. Scherier owns your face
I don't think that's going out on a limb at all.
MesserWolf
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I agree ....
Kotaku did what they are supposed to do ..... they reach out to her to know if she had comments and then published their story. Hopefully they did the same towards the comedian.
hey_it's_that_dog
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Some mistakes can't be completely unmade. And Kotaku really does have the right to repeat public information. I don't see how anything can supercede that right. Sometimes bad things happen and people are hurt. You can't eliminate all suffering, and you shouldn't try to do so at the expense of every other principle.
Scoops = Patrick Klepick a GiantBomb - a journalist who may not get the story first, but gets most of the facts surrounding it resulting in a really interesting story.
Intheflorsh
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Another proud moment for Kotaku.
Lambda Pie
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based Kotaku. don't buckle down, keep the story up.
The Librarian
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But it's also generating a lot of hurtful hate towards her. They should take it down for that reason alone.
BronsonLee
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That's fair. But don't stand on ceremony about it, just say you wanted to be first then. All he did was post her feed and say 'oh we're waiting on comments'. GAF -> Kotaku -> GAF?
lol, SCOOPS=Patrick Klepek. Not Polygon, my apologies, should've been clearer. If you know this and are taunting, damn you!
Edit: Damn it, you are! Grrrrr
I'd argue that his speed is pretty ridiculous too. Didn't he nab the XBox One DRM thing & the Infinity Ward firing thing well before anyone else? Dude is crazy.
WonderbreadUSA
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She has publicly accused someone of discrimination at a gaming industry event. When a site like Kotaku picks up the story of her accusations of discrimination by someone in the albeit, temporary employ of one of the major players in the gaming industry (being a topic that is covered by their site), it is not up to her who does and does not cover that story. She may not have wanted this to blow up, but its news now, and you can't expect Kotaku or any other gaming site to ignore it at this point.
Morrigan Stark
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Holy shit @ Kotaku, what an ass.
The fuck? I'm a (cis)woman and never wear any make-up whatsoever. So what?
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