JetBlackPanda
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how do I respond to this???!
US Federal Government Shutdown | Shutdown Shutdown, Debt Ceiling Raised
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Fenderputty
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You don't. You save it for when none of that happens as an I told you so ...
LMAO
ZombiePlatypus
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What they're doing should be illegal. Blatant abuse of the system.
JetBlackPanda
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the best part is this guy drives old people to medicaid appointments for a living.
SlipperySlope
Banned
So put the entirety of Congress into jail? That'd go over well...
Fenderputty
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The statement, "that's just what I believe man" is coming from a place of faith. He doesn't know why he should hate it, why it would do any of those things he thinks it's going to do he just thinks that way. You can't argue with that.
How about we just get rid of gerrymandering and let the ballot box solve the issue.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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You're asking the right question.
Never.
Americans will vote for most of the same people the next election by sheer habit of partisanship. Then we'll complain about it shortly after.
jamesinclair
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Apparently government has enough money to waste.
They brought in cinder-blocks, a fence and a sign to shut down a very busy bike-commute highway, just because it goes through federal land
Thousands of cyclists use this to get to work every day
They brought in cinder-blocks, a fence and a sign to shut down a very busy bike-commute highway, just because it goes through federal land
Thousands of cyclists use this to get to work every day
Apparently government has enough money to waste.
They brought in cinder-blocks, a fence and a sign to shut down a very busy bike-commute highway, just because it goes through federal land
Thousands of cyclists use this to get to work every day
I love that guy's reaction to this. "Are you serious?"
You Are Viewtiful
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"Leaders play slimdown waiting game"
"Gov't slimdown to be felt beyond Capitol Hill"
"Obama signs bill to pay military during slimdown"
simplythebest
Banned
Has anyone tried unplugging the government and plugging it back in?
Browsing random news sites at work and came across this piece at Al-Jazeera about the media's "both sides are wrong" portrayal of the situation. Thought it summed it up well.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/1/reporting-governmentshutdowndemocracy.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/1/reporting-governmentshutdowndemocracy.html
Mango Positive
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My buddy and his wife were planning to go hiking in the Grand Canyon today on vacation. Fortunately, they were wise and were on the trail by 6:30 AM, before the rangers showed up with their barricades. The rangers commended them on planning ahead. They'd turned away around 100 people by the time they returned to the top.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Not quite, it's Reddit that did it.
I feel just as bad for people who were camped at Yosemite last night and got escorted out.
SwiftDeath
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Odd double post but I do like their take on it
teruterubozu
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I tried using the Library of Congress website for some research. Fucking shut down. Ugh.
BertramCooper
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From a Facebook "friend" of mine:
What did Reddit do?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The HL3 thread reached the front page of Reddit.com
This one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688589
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
I should see how my former mentor at NASA is faring :lol this is ridiculous
Thatonemoor
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Huh...... Well today just won't stop will it.
Brian Griffin
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I am, and more people need to, but I'm more scared of the blame-on-both-sides crowd. There is a clear and obvious bad guy here I will be very disappointed if the GOP doesn't get burned to the ground for this.
Your friend sounds pretty reasonable.
empty vessel
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I think Ann will be fine. She has 3-7 million dollars in assets and is the 64th richest House member.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The comments the guy is making are not related to what the quoted person is saying. Not reasonable.
triplestation
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So how am I gonna eat now
Deified Data
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If I were a Republican I'd take this opportunity to spin the shutdown into "See, we don't actually need a strong infrastructure after all. Government shuts down and the world keeps turning". But no, they're going to keep playing the blame game when they're obvious at fault and miss a golden opportunity.
BertramCooper
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From Wikipedia (can't link to USDA since the site is shut down):
"Currently, WIC serves 53 percent of all infants born in the United States."
God, I guess 53 percent of mothers are worthless and irresponsible and had no business having children in the first place.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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You act like you don't think they've thought this through. Boehner's just getting started. Master plan will initiate in 3 days.
"Stop having kids you can't afford" seems reasonable to me, regardless of who's suggesting it and when.
The fact that a program covers X% of people or is used by Y% of people doesn't reflect on Z - the percentage of people that actually need it.
Regardless, I wouldn't care about anything other than W - the percentage of people who actually need assistance through no fault (including poor planning) of their own.
The fact that a program covers so many people isn't a good thing, it's a very bad thing. We're enabling and conditioning people to depend on the government for more and more in their lives. Long term this is unworkable. You can't run a budget on feelings.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
It has nothing to do with anything.
Stop having them now that you already have them...? The mothers and children affected by a WIC shutdown already exist, y'know.
That message for those without children seems reasonable enough, except when it's coming from the same folks that are also trying to interfere with the availability of contraception and abortion.
Presumably W is identical to Z, since we're talking about children.
BertramCooper
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A civilized society can recognize that helping a mother provide good nutrition for her infant child is a small and worthwhile price to pay in the long run.
Plan before you have them. I know people currently relying on the program would be affected. That doesn't change my opinion that it should be shut down or massively reformed.
When deciding to have a child you don't plan for one month or one year of costs. You look at your situation and realize that children are dependent on you for 18-25 years or longer. It's called being responsible.
The goal of any welfare program should be to function as a temporary safety net, not to foster permanent assisted living. Unfortunately, many current welfare programs are designed based on feelings and not math. It doesn't work in the long term, and when you're faced with a situation like the current shut down you could end up with a big problem on your hands instead of a smaller one that could be managed at local levels.
I'm all for planning to have kids before you have them, contraception when you can't afford them, and abortion or adoption when you fail the first two steps. I didn't see the person that was quoted say anything against contraception or abortion. I just saw the comment about WIC, which on it's own is completely reasonable.
That's not true.
More people qualify than use it, more people use it than need it, and more people need it than need it because something unforeseeable happened to them.
Ideally Z would equal W. I'd have no problem with such a program as long as it focused on temporary assistance and helping people increase their income through regular means (vocational training, job placement, etc.).
For certain definitions of "helping" and "worthwhile" and "long run", sure.
When you get down to the numbers, those things matter. Do you really think it's reasonable for every US citizen to be footing the food bills for, using your own number, 53% of infants? I think that's absurd. Do you think that's workable in the long run? I don't. Do you think it's really helping people in the long run? I don't. Do their financial needs go away when they age out of eligibility? Nope. What then?
Because people are scared to do so.
It's pretty funny, despite the fact that it's been pointed out the president ran on getting Obamacare and winning over his competition in a national election. Has had the court rule it's fair, law and goes against nothing based on what the US was founded the Republicans keep sticking their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalalalalalalalalalal people don't want it, we came in second, our people don't want it, a percentage of polls don't want it, we don't want to do it lalalalalalalalalalal, we made sure your popular gun law didn't pass because you don't got the votes but we don't get this because we don't have the votes?! Shutting down the government, do what we say or else, it's your fault because we're shutting everything down lalalalalalalallalalalalalalala".
If the States ever have a popular uprising, there definitely is a certain class of people it needs to look at.
I think you got your variables confused, unless you're saying that there are children who need food stamps but who don't deserve them because their not being able to get food is their own fault.
theprodigy
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haven't you heard, bootstraps from birth my friend
AstroNut325
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I voted Republican and Liberterian in every election prior to the 2012 election.
I'll never vote conservative again. Sorry. This is simply unacceptable and it's their fault entirely.
I'll never vote conservative again. Sorry. This is simply unacceptable and it's their fault entirely.
Zero Hero
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Tell that to the corporations and their manufacturers that create jobs to make and sell the formula. I think they'd be fine with it.
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