Dead Prince
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psp was locked at a lower CPU that's why.
Digital Foundry: Microsoft to unlock more GPU power for Xbox One developers
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psp was locked at a lower CPU that's why.
BRocknRolla
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Good god... Delusion doesn't even begin to describe that thread.
And thank god for moderation on GAF. To watch fanboys call anyone who disagreed with the nonsensical OP on the Gamespot forum "cows" is unbelievable.
LiquidMetal14
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They've done so with PS3 and PSP. Not sure about Vita.
digoutyoursoul
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Honestly, I don't think they will bother. If it ain't broke why fix it?
This wasn't addressing multi-tasking in general, but rather the OS running alongside the game instead of the current gen where you can either be playing a game or using the OS.
From what I saw in the PS4 OS marketing videos there seems to be the possibility that the game will be running alongside the OS. Unless what I was looking at was just a video of the game running on the dashboard.
The Xbox One's situation is more clear cut. It's running a hypervisor with two virtual machines which are running concurrently so pre-allocated GPU resources make sense.
HomerSimpson-Man
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The PSP specs was always locked down, it's was just when it came time for retail games devs could only use like 2/3 speed of the processors for the battery's sake. Sony simply released that ceiling later on in it's life.
Zatoichi's Cane
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I think these guys come here with the sole purpose of getting banned so they can go back to their usual forums and brag about the Gaf ban. Good little martyrs for the cause.
Its always good to reduce how much CPU/GPU time RAM / HDD usage your using regardless of wether or not you have a lot spare to start with it.
Wishmaster92
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I actually think Drive Club looks better than Forza. The trees look amazing too.
They can cut down the OS bloat, generally both systems will probably be doing this, saving ram, possible upclocks on the GPU/CPU/Driver updates etc - both systems will definately improve intime, although because of the PS4's design, yes its already in a good place with ease of use/system design etc
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For example the PS3 originally had an OS footprint of around 120MB’s spread accross both the XDR and DDR Ram, which was soon reduced to 96MB (64MB on XDR and 32MB on DDR). The PS3 is now only using 50MBs for its OS, despite the addition of many new features, such as the in-game XMB. 7MBs of local memory is used, alongside 43MBs main memory.
SwiftDeath
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I was trying to think about any OS need for GPU resources and couldn't think of anything other than the DVR/streaming stuff maybe assuming you can watch your video without exiting the game
But as you said a preview window like that should in no way be resource intensive
fatgamecat
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MS is making a big gamble with the 'multitasking media center first, games second' approach to consoles. I agree with most people here that they'll end up releasing a kinect-less version for $400 within a year or so.
Do we know if the dashboard on the PS4 can be brought up mid game on demand? I would assume to use most of the features, such as social etc, this would be required no? Would this indicate that the OS does run at the same time as a game? I'm not sure so trying to get some clarification.
Both of these consoles will be using modified versions of desktop operating systems, if I remember correctly. The environments on PS3 and 360 are more like firmware.
killatopak
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First time I heard about the PS3 uplocks. Maybe RAM?
Just because they are using desktop OS's doesn't mean they have to use the same round robin scheduling. It should be rather easy (at least in regards to BSD) to change that.
smarmyjerkface
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More resources for developers is a good thing.
Nightengale
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Everything hints multi-tasking on PS4 to practically be Vita 2.0, so yeah.
iOS style multitasking with double-press.
PdotMichael
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I'm too lazy to read the big thread.
But this is basicaly just trying to turn a bad news into something good?
But this is basicaly just trying to turn a bad news into something good?
Reports of stealth upclocks, hence why alot of PS3 Phats died when the Last of US came out etc. GPU - of which that doesnt bother me, I would be happy for a 2.4TFLOP PS4 Upclock in 3 Years time, burning out my launch PS4, but thats maybe just me
Can you even consider a launch game "high-end"? These games are rushed and don't show the power of PS4/XB1 at all. Not even close. I say wait till holiday 2014 to judge how exclusives really take advantage of these consoles. So I'm expecting it to come down to Uncharted 4 vs. Halo 5.
Chobel
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If you're talking gamescom video, then that wasn't rendering 3d game, it was streaming game from another ps4 through Gaikai.
LiquidMetal14
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Sorry I meant to say changing things alike allocations to provide more for devs. Don't know anything about the clocks.
It would be if that's what was happening here. All we know is at some point in the future devs will get at least some of that 10% back.
Just like at some point in the future family sharing may come back.
Just like at some point in the future their DRM plans may come back.
Just like at some point in the future pretty much everything they promised about the system will launch.
I hate to even get back into this thread .. But you guys don't think the ps4 doesn't have a similar reserve ? It is doing the same things.
I don't think it has that ability.(XB1 doesn't either BTW, which is weird since 360 had it)
I know the performance can be improved with CFW, but i believe it is re enabling the disabled SPE.
Don't think Sony have done anything other than free up memory.
Uhhh, no it isn't? No kinect, no snap.
simplythebest
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Double tapping the touchpad takes you to the UI, the game is suspended just like the Vita. double tap takes you straight back to the game.
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njn2vNZp9Vg&noredirect=1
I remembered correctly. The guy is playing Knack, gets stuck pulls up the OS instantly, watches a video, and instantly switches back to the game in progress. The instant switching looks similar to what One does. I can't remember if Shu did something similar on stage with Killzone.
Why would Sony do that though? Surely MS's 1.3 is no match for their 1.8 right? If they did you know they in deep doo-doo!
Wishmaster92
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Yeah, i just want both of these damn consoles to be out already. Shit like this makes me crazy.
Because every little bit counts considering these consoles will be around for 7+ years.
This has already been brought up.
Since PS4 doesn't have a "snap" feature, it shouldn't require a GPU reserve.
soul creator
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er...unless I'm reading your reply wrong, you can access the guide (which is now basically the full dashboard) from in-game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QDlPs7Xx2gA#t=101
You do to think rendering video in the background doesn't take up gpu? Or hitting the home button in the middle of a game?
it was stated clearly that 10% GPU reserve was due to Kinect GPGPU and Snap features, something PS4 is already free of.
They dont need to do it now their system is already more powerful, I suspect after Christmas once they have production meeting demand (after the Launch Chaos)
They will drop the Upclock bombs to meet MS upclock, of which an upclock isnt of 12CU's its over 18 getting even more of a benefit. CPU possible also. For more positive news/rep
Would Snap even be the only thing that would use a GPU reserve?
thanks for the advise. and no I am not shilling on any system. I know the PS4 is more powerful. I can read the devs comments and It going to be piss the fuck out of me when say BF4 for example is downgraded on Ps4 to match the xbox one. that's stupid.
and if I have to prefer one console. its the PS4 without a doubt for a personal reasons. price, and sony first party games to me are much better than MS first party games.
points taken.
none taken. Its all good. in all honestly. I think if I didn't cancel my xbox one pre order, then I will keep it for Titan Fall and maybe Halo or some of the exclusives. but mainly for my wife with Zumba dance games " or whatever its called .. that weird dancing Kinect game"
I think even PS3 reserved a small amount of GPU...though open to correction on that. I recall that vaguely though.
PS4 will reserve something. Probably not as much as XB1 if I had to guess though. The gap for games will still be wider than the 1.84:1.31 original numbers suggested.
there is didecated hardware for encoding and decoding video.