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[Maninthemirror]

So this is the kind of stuff I'm dealing with on Facebook, so I decided to see how little research this friend does when it comes to her confirmation bias. I decided to attribute a pretty famous Joker quote from The Dark Knight to Obama with a few relevant tweaks, and...

Where is your reply calling them out later

 

[fallagin]

"Compromise"

What concessions are Republicans making and what are Democrats getting in response? Your original post makes no sense.

Precisely, name one compromise that republicans have made during this shutdown crisis.

 

[RustyNails]

Precisely, name one compromise that republicans have made during this shutdown.

Well, they went from defunding obamacare to delaying individual mandate. PROGRESS!

 

[Fenderputty]

Precisely, name one compromise that republicans have made during this shutdown crisis.

To be fair, both parties made some compromise last year. That compromise is represented in this CR they won't pass though.

 

[remist]

Do you really think that was an appropriate response?
"Why should we help a kid with cancer... there are some people out of work"
Absolutely indefensible if you ask me.

Bash: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds the NIH. Will you, at least, pass that? And if not, aren't you playing the same political games that republicans are?

REID: Listen, Senator Durbin explained that very well. And he's, did it here, did it on the floor earlier, as did Senator Schumer, and it's this: What right do they have to pick and choose what part of government's going to be funded? It's obvious what's going home here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don't know what other word I can use. I don't what other word I can use. They are obsessed with this Obamacare thing.

As has been pointed out on the floor in the past few days, they did the same thing on Social Security, they did the same thing on Medicare, now they're doing it on this. It's working now and it'll continue to work and people will love it even more than they do now by far. So they have no right to pick and choose.

BASH: But if you can help one child, why won't you do it?

REID: I, listen...

SCHUMER: Why pit one against the other?

REID: Why, why, why would we want to do that? I have, I have 1100 people at Nellis Air Force Base that are sitting home. They have, they have a few problems of their own. This is, to have someone of your intelligence suggest such a thing maybe means you're as irresponsible and reckless

For those wondering how badly Bulbo took the Reid quote out of context.

 

[fallagin]

Well, they went from defunding obamacare to delaying individual mandate. PROGRESS!

Oh yeah, i guess that could technically be considered a 'compromise'.

I guess i was wrong

 

[Aylinato]

Are you calling me a useful idiot? I should resent those remarks.

That's the nicest way to put how you discuss political issues, yes.

 

[zyxwvu4321]

This was an amusing retweet that I saw.

Can I burn down your house?
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!

 

[GaimeGuy]

Remember when everyone on the left was tweeting #compromise back a couple years ago? Wonder why compromise was such a great thing then and such a horrible thing now, in basically the same situation. Oh, right, marching orders.

Deciding to fund the day to day activities of our government and the enforcement of US Law is not fucking compromise. It's fucking basic functionality.

 

[jamesinclair]

Ive got your compromise right here buddy

 

[Fenderputty]

Ive got your compromise right here buddy

This. The compromise already took place.

 

[bonercop]

Ive got your compromise right here buddy

this image doesn't show it, but that 1,203 billion figure was already a compromised/rather conservative budget too.

~*if only both sides would come to the middle*~ sounds nice and all, but it's a really stupid thing to say in a political environment where fucking paul ryan occupies the middle.

 

[SporeCrawler]

So reading this thread makes me realize. Republicans can just block the government the next few years until a new senate is elected and can pick and choose whatever they think should be taken care of and they get applauded for it?

 

[jamesinclair]

So reading this thread makes me realize. Republicans can just block the government the next few years until a new senate is elected and can pick and choose whatever they think should be taken care of and they get applauded for it?

The tea party got elected on the following lines:

Government sucks
Government is useless
Abolish the EPA, Dep Education, Census etc etc etc
Debt is out of control
Stop spending money
Government employees should find a "real" job

Shutting down the government is them hitting the jackpot.

Every department they hate - shut down

Every department they love, like military and airports - business as usual

They get to go home and say theyre saving $1bn a day

If it was up to them, yes, theyd shut the government down for 2 years....and gloat about them. To them, theyre being heroes.

 

[DarkFlow]

Bulbo only post in OT political threads because he knows he can still troll anyone who doesn't frequent poligaf. Not that people in poligaf can't be trolled, just that they are aware of his shtick more so than others.

This is why I find Bilbo amusing, he gets me caught up on all the Fox News talking points.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/02/why-would-want-to-do-that/

Thanks Bilbo!

 

[Cyan]

Remember when everyone on the left was tweeting #compromise back a couple years ago? Wonder why compromise was such a great thing then and such a horrible thing now, in basically the same situation. Oh, right, marching orders.

Ok, what's the proposed compromise?

The Republicans get say, a half-year delay on Obamacare (compromise!).

The Democrats get... ?

 

[SporeCrawler]

The tea party got elected on the following lines:

Government sucks
Government is useless
Abolish the EPA, Dep Education, Census etc etc etc
Debt is out of control
Stop spending money
Government employees should find a "real" job

Shutting down the government is them hitting the jackpot.

Every department they hate - shut down

Every department they love, like military and airports - business as usual

They get to go home and say theyre saving $1bn a day

If it was up to them, yes, theyd shut the government down for 2 years....and gloat about them. To them, theyre being heroes.

So the best thing republicans can do is to keep the shutdown active and be happy about the next elections when they will have a landslide win. Also they might be able to kill obamacare if this situation is being held up for half a year or so..

 

[DarkFlow]

Ok, what's the proposed compromise?

The Republicans get say, a half-year delay on Obamacare (compromise!).

The Democrats get... ?

A bitch slap to the face?

 

[jamesinclair]

So the best thing republicans can do is to keep the shutdown active and be happy about the next elections when they will have a landslide win. Also they might be able to kill obamacare if this situation is being held up for half a year or so..

Theres one problem with their plan:

Its based off the idea that government is useless and doesnt contribute to the economy.

But theres that little problem, when you send 800,000 people home, and the rest are working without pay.... retail sales plummet.

How do you think Joe Sandwich Shop feels this week in DC?

Of course, GOP doesnt care about DC....but there are fed workers everywhere, and they all eat lunch and they all go shopping...

Now imagine towns around the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone etc. 90% of their economy is tourism.

Theyre not happy.


Now imagine you're Verizon, and you cant get access to new phones because the FCC is shut down, so your big November launch is ruined.

Theyre not happy.


Stick Grampa Motel owner on TV, and Verizon CEO on TV, and how the GOP is shitting their pants because it turns out government DOES affect peoples lives.

 

[SporeCrawler]

Theres one problem with their plan:

Its based off the idea that government is useless and doesnt contribute to the economy.

But theres that little problem, when you send 800,000 people home, and the rest are working without pay.... retail sales plummet.

How do you think Joe Sandwich Shop feels this week in DC?

Of course, GOP doesnt care about DC....but there are fed workers everywhere, and they all eat lunch and they all go shopping...

Now imagine towns around the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone etc. 90% of their economy is tourism.

Theyre not happy.


Now imagine you're Verizon, and you cant get access to new phones because the FCC is shut down, so your big November launch is ruined.

Theyre not happy.


Stick Grampa Motel owner on TV, and Verizon CEO on TV, and how the GOP is shitting their pants because it turns out government DOES affect peoples lives.

I agree with you. However i understand that republicans will win their seats anyway because they are elected in parts of the US that does not vote differently. I rwad somewhere that out of all seats in congress only like 70 seats are really disputed and the rest is a landslide win for republicans or democrats.

 

[Kitschkraft]

Remember when everyone on the left was tweeting #compromise back a couple years ago? Wonder why compromise was such a great thing then and such a horrible thing now, in basically the same situation. Oh, right, marching orders.

There is nothing to discuss. The people have spoken. ACA is off the table.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Bulbo is that you?

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog...ives-made-it-up-harry-reid-didnt-dismi/196234

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

That's exactly right. The Republicans are willing to have a federal government if the Democrats are willing to repeal laws helping Americans obtain health insurance.

Sadly, this is quite literally, what the GOP is offering. They will agree to fund the government,in exchange for democrats giving up on their biggest policy win in 20 years.

No other concession is being offered.

 

[Open Source]

Deciding to fund the day to day activities of our government and the enforcement of US Law is not fucking compromise. It's fucking basic functionality.

No, that's the 60-some percent of "essential" federal employees still at work.

 

[Open Source]

There is nothing to discuss. The people have spoken. ACA is off the table.

That's funny, last time I checked we had a bicameral legislature that has power of the purse as part of the system of checks and balances, and the Republicans won one chamber in both 2010 and 2012. The people have spoken, and they spoke for gridlock and divided government, and that's what is happening.

 

[Suikoguy]

No, that's the 60-some percent of "essential" federal employees still at work.

Oh wow, you are a creative director alright.

 

[The Technomancer]

That's funny, last time I checked we had a bicameral legislature that has power of the purse as part of the system of checks and balances, and the Republicans won one chamber in both 2010 and 2012. The people have spoken, and they spoke for gridlock and divided government, and that's what is happening.

The Republicans won the house despite having something like 1.7million less votes. That doesn't seem like accurate representation

 

[GrandHarrier]

The Republicans won the house despite having something like 1.7million less votes. That doesn't seem like accurate representation

Working as intended

 

[Josh7289]

Sadly, this is quite literally, what the GOP is offering. They will agree to fund the government,in exchange for democrats giving up on their biggest policy win in 20 years.

No other concession is being offered.

It's not even about the Democrats having a win or not. ACA is simply good policy. It helps millions of uninsured Americans finally get health insurance and creates a minimum set of standards to protect all Americans from some of the worst practices of health insurance companies (no denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions, no dropping coverage when a patient becomes sick, etc.).

AND it reduces the deficit! So what we have here is the Republican Party literally trashing the country's economy because it ideologically is opposed to helping the majority of Americans live better lives, and for the party that is supposedly so high on cutting spending, they're raising the budget deficit with this shutdown in order to try and kill a law that will lower the deficit! It's nonsense, and the people who voted these extremist right-wing politicians into office are as much to blame as the politicians themselves.

But I'm hoping that Americans will generally come to their senses in 2014 and punish the GOP heavily for this idiotic stunt.

 

[NullPointer]

That's funny, last time I checked we had a bicameral legislature that has power of the purse as part of the system of checks and balances, and the Republicans won one chamber in both 2010 and 2012. The people have spoken, and they spoke for gridlock and divided government, and that's what is happening.

Then they should get to work governing. Crafting and passing bills.

Shutting down the government and threatening default is not governance. Its an abrogation of the most basic of their duties and responsibilities.

 

[CoconutTank]

Bulbo is that you?

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog...ives-made-it-up-harry-reid-didnt-dismi/196234

Oooo that's interesting, given where I went to go link a full context from. Apparently even that wasn't the full story!

 

[Averon]

That's funny, last time I checked we had a bicameral legislature that has power of the purse as part of the system of checks and balances, and the Republicans won one chamber in both 2010 and 2012. The people have spoken, and they spoke for gridlock and divided government, and that's what is happening.

Gerrymandering is far more responsible for the GOP's control of the House than any thing else, including elections. In fact, the GOP got less votes and probably wouldn't lost control of the House in 2012 if it wasn't for gerrymandering.

The GOP was thoroughly rejected in 2012.

 

[The Librarian]

That's funny, last time I checked we had a bicameral legislature that has power of the purse as part of the system of checks and balances, and the Republicans won one chamber in both 2010 and 2012. The people have spoken, and they spoke for gridlock and divided government, and that's what is happening.

Oh, yes, I'm sure they voted the Republicans to take control of the US House so these elected officials would take the debt ceiling hostage and risk shattering it, bringing economic ruin to many in this country – and possibly the world.

You're right. That's exactly what they wanted. It IS funny.

 

[fallagin]

That's funny, last time I checked we had a bicameral legislature that has power of the purse as part of the system of checks and balances, and the Republicans won one chamber in both 2010 and 2012. The people have spoken, and they spoke for gridlock and divided government, and that's what is happening.

Aside from a bit of gerrymandering in the process, you are right. The american people elected these republicans into office and they are going to get to see what it is like to have a government shutdown because of it; and potentially a default on the debt obligations of our country.

Kind of proves that article right about how the constitution is a heavily flawed document.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Oh, yes, I'm sure they voted the Republicans to take control of the US House so these elected officials would take the debt ceiling hostage and risk shattering it, bringing economic ruin to many in this country – and possibly the world.

You're right. That's exactly what they wanted. It IS funny.

I got a good chuckle from it... You guys are just grumpy.

 

[Fenderputty]

That's funny, last time I checked we had a bicameral legislature that has power of the purse as part of the system of checks and balances, and the Republicans won one chamber in both 2010 and 2012. The people have spoken, and they spoke for gridlock and divided government, and that's what is happening.

You're one joke post after the other.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE# (Jimmy Kimmel Obamacare vs Affordable Care Act)

This is why we can't have nice things.

ALL OF MY RAGE

My fucking goodness. This explains the fucking shitheads in Congress.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

This is why I find Bilbo amusing, he gets me caught up on all the Fox News talking points.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/02/why-would-want-to-do-that/

Thanks Bilbo!

Hey. I'm pretty sure I posted that before Fox did. Maybe they get their talking points from here.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Oh wow, you are a creative director alright.

I've come to associate "in the software development industry" with "completely out of touch with reality when it comes to government or macroeconomics" and so far it hasn't been disproven as a stereotype.

It's how taking a hard line against tanking the entire insurance sector and the livelihoods of more than 2 million people (and in the case of the debt limit, the global economy) because the opposition's asshurt that they don't have enough popular support to actually repeal the ACA through normal legal channels is "because they want to", and not "the actions of an actor who isn't a total fucking moron."

 

[NYCmetsfan]

No, that's the 60-some percent of "essential" federal employees still at work.

Not getting paid... They're working for free because Republicans are not giving up their hostage.

 

[Josh7289]

I've come to associate "in the software development industry" with "completely out of touch with reality when it comes to government or macroeconomics" and so far it hasn't been disproven as a stereotype.

Ad hominem doesn't have a place here.

 

[SlipperySlope]

Not getting paid... They're working for free because Republicans are not giving up their hostage.

Something about this seems wrong...

Edit - I mean to say I think you are wrong. Aren't the ones working getting paid?

 

[eBay Huckster]

Ad hominem doesn't have a place here.

You'd have a point if Open Source's premise was logically valid to begin with.

Something about this seems wrong...

Edit - I mean to say I think you are wrong. Aren't the ones working getting paid?

Nobody is currently getting paid; however, the ones working have a somewhat higher chance of receiving back pay than the other 40% once this ends.

 

[Cyan]

Something about this seems wrong...

Edit - I mean to say I think you are wrong. Aren't the ones working getting paid?

Yes, those who aren't getting paid will get back pay once the shutdown is over.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Something about this seems wrong...

Edit - I mean to say I think you are wrong. Aren't the ones working getting paid?

No, they're forced to come in but they're will be no paychecks.

 

[mightynine]

Yes, those who aren't getting paid will get back pay once the shutdown is over.

I thought that wasn't guaranteed, or was that just for the furloughed employees?

 

[Josh7289]

You'd have a point if Open Source's premise was logically valid.

Well, I just took issue with the stereotyping really, because I'm in the same kind of work.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Yes, those who aren't getting paid will get back pay once the shutdown is over.

Ok just read they will get back pay. But they're not getting paid till this ends. Which could be weeks.

People sent home are not guaranteed anything.

 

[Cyan]

I thought that wasn't guaranteed, or was that just for the furloughed employees?

Not guaranteed for furloughed employees.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Well, I just took issue with the stereotyping really, because I'm in the same kind of work.

Open Source is giving us a bad name!