Nope, when Nixon tried to use his ability of Impoundment to not fund programs authorized by Congress, Congress finally got fed up with Impoundment, so they passed the "Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974" shifting some power away from the President to the Congress, so that Congress has to authorize the budget and the president has to spend it as stated.
US Federal Government Shutdown | Shutdown Shutdown, Debt Ceiling Raised
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Love it. My support for the president is through the roof right now.
Vestal
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I said it earlier. KAREN might through a big fucking monkey wrench into this whole situation. I wonder which party will bring this up first. Probably dems since a lot of Republicans feel that FEMA should be abolished. With that said this could cause a tipping point for the GOP. I doubt they would submit an appropriations bill specifically for FEMA.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No. Its like dealing with children. Actions have to have consequences.
And honestly this is where it's gonna need to go in a couple of days.
The kid gloves eventually are gonna need to come off.
I hate to say this but take a lesson from the bush era. Even if democrats would of wanted to do this with defunding the war or any piece of legislation the bush administration would of eviscerated them. Labeled them terrorists and anti-American radicals. Then democrats would be on the defense having to defend the label instead of pushing the legislation.
The difference this time would be Obama actually has strong moral ground to say those things cause its hard to claim that's not what they are: spitting on the constitutional process, holding the government ransom and often times proclaiming radical fascist ideas as their justification.
That wasn't in response to republicans shutting down the government. If they want to work towards getting this passed during the normal order then that is fine. They shouldn't be offering it as a concession when leadership is trying to put a stop to these man made crises.
ElectricBlue187
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You're a bit uninformed.
The republicans have already caved yesterday. There's enough to pass the clean CR in the house. We're just waiting for the pressure to build up under Boehner at this point.
The movie kiosks were shut down before the government shut down (my wife works for AAFES).
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
They're doing pretty good so far. Both Obama and Reid seem pissed the fuck off
The Republicans have a well-oiled messaging machine between talk radio and Fox News. The Dems don't. They can try to put those labels out there, but they're far less likely to stick.
The GOP is already caving, it's just a matter of Boehner bringing a clean CR up for a vote. If he does it has enough votes to pass. This is just one guy holding the country hostage because he's being held hostage by extremists.
Because he's your typical homophobe? Was the last big detractor against the repeal and threw up every obstacle he could to block it. Claimed we should listen to the military commanders, then when they all concluded being gay didn't hurt unit cohesion he decided to ignore them. Don't know what he did that you think was similar to Obama on the issue. I think you might have missed some of McCain's actions.
This is news? The Tea Party caters to, and is voted into office by, the stupidest people in this country. The same people who think Hurricane Sandy is God punishing America for having gay people.
He won't say it. He's disciplined, and the republican/neo-con message circuit would know exactly what to do to use it against him.
But he fucking wants to. I can see it in his eyes.
The Librarian
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*shrugs* At this point I just don't see it mattering that much in the grand scheme of things.
ElectricBlue187
Member
Glad that old dude was there to wreck his shit on camera
negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate negotiate
on CNN right now, a tea party republican in congress is mindlessly repeating the same thing after every question Wolf gives him. According to Rep. Tim Huelskamp, NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN would vote for a clean cr bill. NOT ONE. All they want is for Obama to be willing to negotiate.
on CNN right now, a tea party republican in congress is mindlessly repeating the same thing after every question Wolf gives him. According to Rep. Tim Huelskamp, NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN would vote for a clean cr bill. NOT ONE. All they want is for Obama to be willing to negotiate.
I wasn't just talking about Johnson as a president. In fact I was more referring to his time as a senator. He had a remarkable stint in the senate where he fostered relationships, and kept his party in check and helped get a lot done. There is a reason most historians consider him the most effective senate majority leader in history. He was a machine. The democrats would be blessed to have someone half as good.
GOP: Obama only won election because of Sandy, here is again trying to cheat with another storm.
Miserable fuck. God damnit this pissed me off.
Obama won't come to the table and negotiate with Karen.
Seems like this will drag out for a few weeks. Republicans have come 'too far' to turn back so quickly. Any 'non-essential' branch of government can quickly be reclassified as 'essential' if need be to avoid embarrassment.
At some point Republicans will be satisfied with the idea that they made a stand and now the public "really, really" knows they hate Obamacare. So, their base is happy and they will have passed along this legacy forward to future Republican politicians. A new litmus test is born.
Don't kid yourself, Democrats have their own well-oiled machine, but it's almost all in written word form.
At some point Republicans will be satisfied with the idea that they made a stand and now the public "really, really" knows they hate Obamacare. So, their base is happy and they will have passed along this legacy forward to future Republican politicians. A new litmus test is born.
Don't kid yourself, Democrats have their own well-oiled machine, but it's almost all in written word form.
xxxstylzxxx
Member
A disingenuous photo op is one thing but this...this is just despicable on so many levels. Just shameful.
The Librarian
Banned
Eh. Different times. The "media game" isn't anything like it was in the '60s.
SteveWinwood
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Well you know reading is pretty tough
Not in the same way. A Republican talking point or framing is everywhere a few hours after they start putting it out there. It doesn't work like that for the Dems. Or at least, it requires a much higher level of natural stickiness.
Which is probably true.
Honestly if we just had a more honest mainstream press it wouldn't even need to come to that. Republicans only repeat this negotiate, negotiate, negotiate rouse because they know places like cnn and elsewhere are going to play the neutrality card and make it seem like the republicans are being reasonable. Then over on foxnews they are going to spin their agenda as being moral and righteous.
So we are left with only a minority of outlets that are actually calling the spades a spade.
Oh what I wouldn't give for another fairness doctrine.
Sanky Panky
Banned
No worries... at least we know the the essential work the CIA is doing training rebels in Syria is still going strong.
I've seen it twice already today but this does not get any less surreal. "You should feel ashamed of what I am forcing you to do!!!"
Fucking... fuck
That man is the American public at this moment, as far as I'm concerned.
Fucking right it did. I am content at this moment to divide my allies and enemies by their reaction to what is occurring in that clip.
The GOP is losing the media war though. Even Wolf Blitzer, who normally is incapable of calling people out, has been doing so in regards to a clean CR vote and the Debt Ceiling. Just because it's out there doesn't mean it sticks with the mainstream.
The Librarian
Banned
Obama's not backing down, guys. Here's Ezra Klein, whom the administration usually leaks stuff to:
Top administration officials say that President Obama feels as strongly about this fight as he has about anything in his presidency. He believes that he will be handing his successor a fatally weakened office, and handing the American people an unacceptable risk of future financial crises, if he breaks, or even bends, in the face of Republican demands. And so the White House says that their position is simple, and it will not change: They will not negotiate over substantive policy issues until Republicans end the shutdown and raise the debt ceiling.
Being clinically brain damaged does not constitute having balls.
I read that wrong.
True, but I don't think haste is always the best thing when trying to form a compelling, persuasive argument. You can quickly back yourself into a corner you can't get out of. Which happens quite a bit in politics.
It certainly isn't but nevertheless democrats have done a well below average job adapting to it. The media of the 60s was different from the 40's, which was different from the 1800's.
Still I understand your point but whereas the republicans have made modern media work in their favor the democrats have continually failed to do so.
But don't get me wrong, I wish the media were different so the democrats didn't have to do this but it is and they do.
rocketknight
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Can't tell if this is a bad NYT joke or a bad NeoGAF joke.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Boehner is blinking:
Boehner Tells Republicans He Won’t Let the Nation Default
look at those dems fold....
Boehner Tells Republicans He Won’t Let the Nation Default
look at those dems fold....
I don't know, I remember back when Sarah Palin in her rambles came out with "Death Panels" and suddenly that was a sure and definitive thing that could be thrown at any pro-healthcare argument as if the two were on par with each other.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I really hope this is true. And I really hope that he finally realizes that at the very least until he gets out of office the current GOP is not interested in any form of compromise or negotiation
Mr_Antimatter
Member
The problem is the modern media seems so concerned with bias that they refuse to call out someone even when their side is obviously in the wrong Instead they try to act as if a well informed, logical opinion on one side is equal to some wingnut, off the rails opinion by another side.
News entertainment absolutely destroyed media in this country.
Yeah not so much. The Senate can't make an issue they have clear public support and policy wins for into brand support, while somehow Rush Limbaugh calling a law student a slut and joking about seeing her sex tapes is a complex issue with many shades of gray to consider. They're not in the same ballpark, they're not in the same league, they're not in the same sport.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I don't know what the alternative is but I become increasingly convinced that for-profit news is fundamentally broken because it has to focus on telling people what they want to hear
The Librarian
Banned
True! But I'm not sure that the Democrats having a media machine like the Republicans is bad for them. The Republican Party has a media machine, yes, but this seems to be doing as much harm to them as it is good. It reinforces a made-up reality that Republicans have a hard time escaping from.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yes, but the result of that is that they're trying to expand the bubble so hard that its starting to transform the real world :/
Pay attention.
probably not, thanks to my charming friend Alfred J. Gerrymandering!
Republicans could indeed lose a fair few contested seats though.
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